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Baseball65
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 Posted - 12/08/2004 : 08:22:55
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Which came first the OCD or the TMS....who cares?
I keep seeing one of my associates completely engaged in a ToMcSd episode,but for the life of him he can't see it.
Read: http://www.ocdonline.com/defineocd.htm
read the bottom 2 paragraphs.
Also...My father had OCD as well as TMS
(He had an "ulcer" that was never found,but always treated...my Mom told me the worst outbreak he ever had was when he QUIT his job as an engineer,to go to GRADUATE school at age 30,all the wau across the country...I'm makin' the call TMS!)
He was a Sephardic Jew....we're the ones who got pitched from Spain during the inquisition...My mom is Spanish/Catholic....Talk about some internal conflict!!
I've noticed as my awareness/perception of the world has expanded,that OCD and TMS tremendously effect my tribe.I have no other
group to compare it to,but having friends of all walks of life with TMS,the ones of Jewish decent are disproportionate to the total.
So...always having been a big fan of the bible,I'm reading the old testament LAW and it's strikes me that a lot of the Mitzpha's(spling?)...the little detailed pieces of the Law in the Pentateuch,resemble an ORDER to have OCD..hand washing rituals,detailed minutiae of cleanliness/uncleanliness,counting rituals,sabbatical mandates,jubilees....sheesh.
And than you study cultures and atavistic tendencies and you can't help but wonder why my tribe seems to have such a high rate of TMS and OCD??
Keep your "racist" comments,it's just an observation.I'm a Spaniard and a Jew,and neither side will have me.
On the Jewish side of my Family ,everybody has a "condition" which they are chronically nursing,and the whole concept of injury and care is conducive to aquiring your own "condition".
The Spanish side is stoic and "stiff upper lip"...just ignore it and it will go away...and they have their share...just not the same Batting avg.
Hmmmmmmm.
just a thought
peace
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Baseball65
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Posted - 12/08/2004 : 08:26:30
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oooooops..that JudAism..should have "double checked" (LOL!)
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polly
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Posted - 12/08/2004 : 10:53:58
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Marc,
I understand. My mother was the daughter of a Rabaii from the old country. She married an Italian off the boat. I'm sure it was a small ceremony.
In reference to your associate who clearly has TMS, my best friend was diagnosed with fibromyalgia. Couldn't hear me for a year when I would tell her about Sarno. I finally just left the book in her car. When she read it, she asked me why I didn't tell her about this sooner!
People accept this at their own pace. Now, that would make an interesting study. How long after you first heard about TMS did you realize it had something to do with your problems?
Have a great day. Your posts are making me stronger. I'm working on the OCD. It's a new battle. Didn't have anything like this until recently.
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Laura
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Posted - 12/08/2004 : 12:30:31
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Great post, Marc. Speaking of Judaism, I am a Jew who converted 20 years ago when I was going to marry my husband. I was raised as a Christian, Methodist then Presbyterian, so you can imagine the shock of my parents when I said I was not only marrying a Jew but was converting to be one too! My parents nearly stopped talking to me; partly because I moved away from home (from Michigan to California) but also because I left my faith (or should I say, their faith). I always knew I wanted to be a Jew, even before I met my husband. I always admired the closeness of Jewish families and their traditions. The funny thing is, when I moved away from home and converted to Judaism, that's when all my health issues really started up. From the moment I moved to California and started my new life it was chronic urinary tract infections, which required constant trips to the urologist. Then my TMS found a new spot in my stomach and I was spending hundreds of dollars on all sorts of tests to rule out anything serious. I was diagnosed with IBS. I guess I felt like I abandoned my faith and my parents and I was punishing myself.
As far as your comments on OCD, that is very interesting. Isn't that something that Howard Stern had cured himself from through Dr. Sarno? I've always been a bit obscessive-compulsive myself.
Also, Polly, that is interesting that you have a best friend with fibromyalgia who didn't believe in Sarno's theories. A friend of mine also has been diagnosed with fibromyalgia and when I talk about the books and Dr. Sarno she treats me like he's a quack and I'm a bigger quack for believing in it. She is a classic case if I've ever seen one. I was telling someone else who knows her that if she would just read the book she could help herself. He said "She doesn't want to be helped. She's not ready to get well." I'm glad you were able to get through finally to your friend.
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polly
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Posted - 12/08/2004 : 16:36:37
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Laura,
It wasn't that she didn't believe me, she just believed that she had a "real" problem because she was given the diagnosis. She knew I had gone to Sarno and was thrilled with the progress I was making. She's a complete believer now. It just takes people in their own time in their own way.
Another friend of mine went to Sarno, the lectures and read the book HBP. She got nothing out of it. Sarno told her she had TMS but there was nothing he could do for her. She was that blocked. This was 6-7 yrs. ago. She's really a wonderful woman who tragicly lost both her children when they were 19 & 23.
A few weeks ago I gave her MBP and she read it and started improving immediately. She's been in agony all this time. You never know when the right time is. My rule with sharing this is to never be judgemental. Even when someone is telling you that you don't understand because they have "real" pain. Just sit back and wait for the opening.
Good luck,
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Baseball65
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Posted - 12/08/2004 : 17:41:28
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The first time someone approached me about Sarno,I remember EXACTLY where I was Physically AND geographically...and Mentally.
F%4K it...we're all friends here ,right?
My wife and I had had a ...uhh...separation of sorts.
While she was gone,I had met another person who I'd grown intimate with......this person had even encouraged me to leave my wife and move in with her "for good"...she was a Model/Actress with Millions of dollars in assets,recently divorced from another celebrity.I would never have to sling a paint brush again.....
...But,I didn't LIKE her...oh she was pretty (so is my wife),but the more I hung out with Hollywoods' elite,the more empty and meaningless it all seemed.
My Wife and I were reconciled,and I never brought up the details of what had gone on while we were separated.I really loved my wife,and after careful consideration,decided that telling her would just be more painful to both of us,as I had learned a profound lesson,and I had never ...uhhh...comsumnated the relationship with the other person(all those euphimisms)
So....I left a life of relative ease and excitement to slining a paint brush at 6AM 12 hours a day,and coming home to my ONCE
rock and roll freak show sex kitten mama ..who was now the mother of my children.
I went from being taken care of,to taking care of.....
So,the EVENT(meaningless) happens,and now I'm in constant pain,walking up the stairs to my Sh$%ty apartment,and my neighbor gives me a quick Sarno synopsis.
He says "....and the symptoms are really caused by REPRESSED emotions and that all you...."
It was like recoiling from a hot flame...all I heard was REPRESSED....Funny how intuitive we are even when we're trying not to be.....the first thing that flashed into my mind was my...uhhh....indiscretion???
I needed to bury that experience like a cat burying it's turd....and it must not have been very deep,cause I remember being instantaneously aware that the two had something to with each other,and yet....those MRI's! and the Doctor said......
a year and a half later(and several more exposures to Sarno on TV)
I finally cracked the cover...and you all know the rest.
Maybe that's why I recovered so fast....I had already been in a spiritual program that demanded absolute honesty,and here I was carrying around a heavy burden of conscience that I couldn't bear.
Guilt....rage....loneliness.....bitterness....anger
would you like that supersized?
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OCD and TMS,,,chickens and eggs...Judeism & Torah
