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string1979

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Posted - 01/09/2008 :  09:40:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

I read in one of Sarno's books that muscle tenderness is a tell tale sign of TMS. If I don't have any tenderness to the touch anywhere near my back or legs, does that mean my back pain and sciatica are "real," and not TMS?

I fit the TMS profile and have a history of "hypochondria" and such. I suspect my back pain/sciatica of 2 years could be psychosomatic, but it just feels so "real." And no tenderness.

Thanks for any help.

armchairlinguist

USA
1397 Posts

Posted - 01/09/2008 :  18:01:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't think this particular point is definitive for TMS, it's just very common. I think Sarno says something like 80%. Perhaps you are in the other 20.

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Dave

USA
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Posted - 01/10/2008 :  10:13:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You really can't self-diagnose the trigger points. Only an experienced TMS physician like Dr. Sarno knows the precise areas that are tender to palpatation.

Even so, it is not conclusive in any way. It is simply another piece that helps in the diagnosis. Even without tender trigger points, if the psychological profile fits, the TMS diagnosis may be made.
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mizlorinj

USA
490 Posts

Posted - 01/11/2008 :  06:49:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Right, agree with the others.
Even though all the points Dr. Sarno pressed were tender on me, I couldn't tell you exacyly where they were.
Dr. Sarno does not place too much emphasis on that when I asked him about it.
AND I had a disc herniated to the right so why was the left side near there so much more tender than the right? Because my pain had nothing to do with the herniated disc I was being encouraged to operate on by orthoped.
Since you feel you fit the profile, the best treatment is to work on your feelings and don't think about tenderness. It is highly unlikely the pain is structural since you've had it for so long.
-L
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string1979

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Posted - 01/12/2008 :  08:07:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks everyone for the helpful responses.
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Redsandro

Netherlands
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Posted - 01/15/2008 :  17:57:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's also important to note that symptoms like muscle tenderness are from the era where TMS was not an outdated abbreviation. Problems such as depression, common cold, fatigue or some forms of cancer can be in fact TMS although it has nothing to do with tension myositis.

Muscle tenderness is oldskool.

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TMS is the hidden language of the soul.
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