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jmburns
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 Posted - 01/08/2008 : 19:56:28
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Since learning about tms while dealing with excruciating back pain i resolved that issue. Since then I have dealt with many of the different physical traits that can occur. I have had success with overcoming them as well.
Recently I have been working out for about a year with a wide variety of exercises. Recently I have started having some shoulder issues. I know that tms can manifest itself pretty much in any physical area of your body so I figured it was tms and have been working to get over it.
THE DIFFERENCE THIS TIME IS, with this one i feel some grinding and a little popping, like the tendon sliding over the bone due to some inflammation
THE BIG QUESTION has anyone had similar things with shoulder TMS? Even though TMS is oxygen deprivation, can TMS manifest itself with actual inflammation and the pain mainly being there when movement occurs, or does this sound like a physical ailment?
I have been under a lot of stress and i can tell that i am feeling angry at myself about some things and normally i can work through these, but the fear of this being a true physical issue (which has never concerned me since i started resolving my tms issues)is starting to weigh on me.
Any input would be helpful. Anyone think that this is not TMS or should i go to my TMS orthopedist to confirm?
Thanks a lot
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skizzik
USA
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AnthonEE
USA
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Posted - 01/13/2008 : 09:38:36
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Originally posted by jmburns
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THE BIG QUESTION has anyone had similar things with shoulder TMS? Even though TMS is oxygen deprivation, can TMS manifest itself with actual inflammation and the pain mainly being there when movement occurs, or does this sound like a physical ailment?
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Any input would be helpful. Anyone think that this is not TMS or should i go to my TMS orthopedist to confirm?
Thanks a lot
jburns
Hi JBURNS,
When I was about 36-37yrs old I too was lifting and having shoulder pain similar to what you describe. And today, 4years later, I'm recovering from surgery to repair a torn rotator cuff (supraspinatus) tendon.
Cleary it is possible that this pain has a physical basis and you should get it checked out. I got an MRI after several bouts of excruciating shoulder pain that would keep me awake at night unless I took advil. I got an MRI and even I could see a significant tear. Three orthopedists gave me independent recommendation for surgery.
Sarno offers that most rotator cuff pain is psychological. I personally cannot imagine that my case was psychological. I could see the tear, and I could feel physical symptoms of something mechanically wrong in the joint.
So I had the surgery and it took me 6-9months to recover. My shoulder is now better and I'm glad I had the surgery. But it is not as good as it was before the injury, probably never will be. And while the surgery is itself no big deal, the recovery is a really LONG and DIFFICULT ordeal.
My advice to you: go see the orthopedist. And then see a PT or exercise physiatrist to learn how to lift without doing further damage to your shoulder. Even if you've been lifting 20+ years and you are confident you know what you're doing. Trust me, open your mind to doing things a little differently as you approach 40, and avoid this injury and surgery. You'll be all the better for it.
Good luck!
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Edited by - AnthonEE on 01/13/2008 09:40:22 |
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electraglideman
USA
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Posted - 01/13/2008 : 11:37:37
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| jmburns, you can injure yourself in the gym and shoulder injures are very common. If you have inured yourself (torn muscle or tendon) you will not be able to work through it. Give it a couple of weeks to heal and start back slow. |
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Logan
USA
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Posted - 01/14/2008 : 12:46:59
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I am not a doctor and while I cannot say for certain that what you describe is TMS, it sounds very much like my main TMS symptom, which I have been free of for 4+ years. And I mean, really free, healthy, active and not thinking a thing about this area.
I thought my "shoulder injury" was due to a whiplash car accident. I had the pain and the popping and crunching and I depended on various drugs to help me sleep or get through the work day for years. The pain got worse and gradually radiated up my neck, into my jaw, and down my arms. The constant ache would be punctuated with terrible and unpredictable spasms that were so bad that I literally couldn't move, just to breath made me cry with off the charts pain.
BUT it was TMS. It's pretty amazing what a little bit of oxygen deprivation can do to the muscles and nerves. More amazing, is the power of your conscious mind to stop the unconsciously driven process.
If you've overcome TMS once, you can do it again. Most of us do have to do it again. I'd recommend you do some more digging for sources of rage or grief. It couldn't hurt to read Stan Lee's Facing the Fire, if you haven't already. It's what really helped me to kick that shoulder thing, which was the last symptom I did finally get rid off.
Mine occasionally tries to make a come back and that just lets me know I've got to pay attention to some feelings I've been ignoring and also, it's time to hit the punching bag or have a good cry.
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mizlorinj
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Posted - 01/14/2008 : 14:48:23
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If a herniated or smashed disc, clearly visible on an MRI (as I had), can be blamed for pain which you later find out was TMS, why can't a torn rotator cuff be TMS pain as well? I could've had surgery for the disc as recommended by orthoped. But why subject myself to that if the MRI/xray "issue" is not the source of the pain?
Don't forget: your brain is aware of what will make you think is physical pain. It will pick a spot where something CAN be found on xray or MRI, but is not likely the cause of the pain.
I'd try the journal/therapy way before I'd go get scared by an orthopedist who wants to do surgery. The fear they instill will make the pain worse; it did for me. Surgery is largely how they earn their living so what else are they going to tell you!?
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