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tennispro
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 Posted - 01/07/2008 : 06:10:37
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I've been working this program about a month. Saw an immediate major improvement in my back pain after reading the books and seeing Sarno/going to the panel, etc Over the last couple of weeks I've been taking mini steps backward whereby I'm feeling low grade back pain more frequently . I'm 100% this is TMS and is stress related.I've been journaling daily and feel there's so much stress that I'm increasingly aware of. Does this just take time or is the increased awareness of the stress that I'm dealing with working it's way "out of my body" and this just takes time?
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qso
USA
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Posted - 01/07/2008 : 10:06:39
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This back and forth is common with TMS.
The thing to remember that it is not conscious stress that is driving it. It is the stuff that you *don't* know about that is driving it. I found that after I recovered completely from TMS I had not resolved *any* of the stress or issues. I do not even know what the subconscious driver was. The point is that you don't have to know. You can 'list' until the cows home (I did) and the TMS won't go away. You can see amply on this board that people thrash away at their issues for years and still the TMS doesn't go away completely. What is the most important thing (that led to my recovery) was the absolute and utter rejection of anything being physically wrong (even weak muscles). You may THINK you are 100% (I thought so many times) but your subconscious knows better. It will detect even the smallest inkling of doubt. If you really ask yourself honestly, you will see that you do have doubts. Even the fact that you posted this question confirms that!
When you recover from TMS you will see in hindsight that the intensity of it roughly corresponded with the level of your conviction that your brain is creating the symptoms in their entirety.
Good luck
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mizlorinj
USA
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Posted - 01/07/2008 : 14:49:16
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I do believe things creep out of our unconscious when we are ready to handle them. I journaled about things that I really had to think about and re-feel to find. Long-ago issues as well as everyday stuff. But things came to my mind as I was ready to deal with a particular issue. Then I would write. Or scream. So I do think as you write, things deep down in the unconscious can and do surface. (read example of woman in Dr. Sarno's books: horrible memory came back, she had intense pain, processed the feelings, and it all left.) Who doesn't want to unload past junk we're carrying around. I sure do!
Our brains are much smarter than we think. I have also seen in the past year that conscious stuff does start a pain here or there, so I address it quickly to get rid of it. Yes, you must accept it is psychological and not physical. Keep on writing . . . it is a large part of the answer. It was for me. But it takes time . . . I wrote a lot every day but it still took days to be able to get out of bed and weeks to be "normal" again.
Great you got to see Dr. Sarno and the lecture and forum. I was there last January. I thought he was great.
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scottjmurray
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Posted - 01/07/2008 : 17:15:47
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What can happen is you can spiral out of your belief in what's going on. You feel a little pain after feeling good for a while, that triggers a bit of doubt in your mind (oh, I've just been fooling myself with all this Sarno stuff), then your subconscious latches onto that doubt and uses it to perpetuate the symptoms you have. I experienced this many, many times. Your doubt and preoccupation with why your pain is changing is actually acting as a support structure to the entire TMS process.
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When you recover from TMS you will see in hindsight that the intensity of it roughly corresponded with the level of your conviction that your brain is creating the symptoms in their entirety.
Well said.
Author of tms-recovery.com
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fourtrax
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Posted - 01/07/2008 : 19:06:17
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qso
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Posted - 01/07/2008 : 20:46:32
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I think it is definitely the doubt.
I think the role of fear is over-played - when the moment TMS started leaving me for good I felt a rush of blood throughout my body, especially my back, like a huge waterfall had been set off inside me, and I knew something fundamental had changed and I knew that I had my full strength back after a year of being incapacitated. It felt completely different to previous episodes of improvement. I had to wait until getting off the plane to test it out but fear did not come into it. When the TMS truly goes away, *then* the fear goes as well, not the other way around. Nothing about my fear level changed during the recovery period but the doubt level did.
In response to mizlorinj - yes, I agree there is leakage of the subconscious into the conscious. Moreover, from what I gather from reading non-Sarno stuff on related topics, the subconscious driver(s) will, in some very fundamental way be related to *ALL* of your conscious stresses, your personality, and indeed the way your entire life has played out.
So try to think in general, big-picture terms, rather than specifics of your conscious stresses:
-What are the common themes in your issues?
-How do these common themes relate to your personality and the course your life has taken (choices you have made) since you were a kid?
The vicious cirlce scotjmurray mentions whereby the TMS feeds on itself makes this such a nasty illness. It is like an invisible virus, a deamon attacking you from wihtin. But keep fighting off the doubt until the last tiny piece is vanquished, and it *will* go away.
QSO
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