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nycmom
USA
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 Posted - 03/10/2012 : 16:31:06
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| I was told I had astigmatism (in a place that sold glasses and lenses) and needed glasses but i never wore them (that was in 2000) I had my eyes checked last Fall by an actual eye doctor who was not in a eyeglass store...perfect vision. |
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dgreen97
122 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2013 : 18:15:06
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Hi,
I haven't been on this board for probably a year or two after phenomonal results treating "fibromyalgia" with Sarno.
This topic really speaks to me right now. I get what manifests as severe eye strain from the computer and reading. It collects into severe headaches. My first eps of this were in 1991-92 and it was treated by an optometrist with "vision therapy."
For the past year I've been have sporadic episodes and done occasional vision therapy off and on, but by the end of 2004 was experiencing this pain/strain (called a "convergence oversufficiency") all the time but weekly vision therapy has not eradicated the problem which now seems to have a mind of its own. In otherwords, TMS. I am going thru major life changes very soon. I started laying the groundwork for these changes in early 2004 (in fact, it's as if my eyes are prescient and knew what I would do before I did).
I wrote to Sarno about this syndrome but he was hesitant to say it was TMS since he says he has not done any studies of the eyes.
My optometrist does concur that the eyes do strongly react to emotional state (I tend to be anxious to begin with and now I'm getting a lot of anxiety attacks as I phase out of work and will start school soon full time to train for a completely new career in my late 30's). So it has been hard for me to stick the pure TMS nametag on this problem. But it's painful and intimidating (knowing all the reading I will have to do for grad school + now I still work on a computer all day). My optometrist though only suggests more vision therapy (which is costly).
I'd love to hear about others' similar experiences. Also, doesn't it seem like computer eye strain may be the "carpal tunnel syndrome" of the eyeball?
Thanks for letting me ramble on. I hope to hear some feedback.
Windy I hope you read this. I have had the same exact story as yours and I wanted to know how things were going for you now. I direct messaged you on the forum here not sure if you got that or not but I've had moderate/severe eye strain for 4 1/2 years now and I know its TMS. I wanted to see if things were better for you now treating your eyestrain with the TMS approach because like you I went through vision therapy for 6 months, dropped $3500 bucks, and walked out of there in the exact same shape i went in. It did absolutely nothing for my eye strain. In fact my vision and visual skills got better but my eyestrain remained the same. I was also diagnosed with convergence insufficiency but I also dont believe this to be true.
The doctor never told me what made him believe I had convergence insufficiency even though I asked multiple times. I would really appreciate yours and anybody else's feedback on this because theres not a lot of information on eye strain and TMS. Theres a good amount of information about eyestrain and anxiety but not specifically TMS so wanted to get your feedback. I just saw you post and said to my self "oh my god, somebody who has had the same things as me. finally I found a person who has eye strain and thinks its TMS as well."
thanks
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altherunner
Canada
511 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2013 : 18:29:21
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I read "Take off Your Glasses and See" about 5 years ago. I have gradually gone from using glasses all the time for driving, to once in a while. Now I leave them in a drawer at home. I take them if i am driving out of town, although I was away this week, and didn't miss them. I find my peripheral vision is much better without them.
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 04/14/2013 : 11:40:00
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| Hi al, how bad was your prescriiption when you first started and are you 20/20 now? |
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altherunner
Canada
511 Posts |
Posted - 04/14/2013 : 21:32:19
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hi Ace - I was checking back in my posts and it was about 7 years ago that I read his book. I was 20/40 in my right eye and 20/80 in my left eye. I was back a few years ago to the eye doctor, he said my prescription had not changed. I have only worn my new glasses a few times. I just got back from Las Vegas, I meant to bring them, but forgot. Didn't need them. I do like to have them as a security blanket when i drive in a strange place. If I remember correctly, fear was responsible for near sightedness, and anger for farsightedness. This is similar to Dr. Sarno. I really find such a big improvement in my periferal vision, that i don't like to wear glasses, unless i have to see an address. Think "binoculars".
You only look straight ahead with glasses on. |
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altherunner
Canada
511 Posts |
Posted - 04/14/2013 : 21:40:07
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| A little has come back to me now about the book that helped - there is a diagram of the brain, that shows how the eyes go right from the front (eyes) to the very back of the head. You can think of vision in a different way, the brain looking out the eyes. The brain fills in a lot of blanks. Some people with MPD have good eyesight with one personality, and are almost blind in another. |
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GTfan
USA
84 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2013 : 11:55:25
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Wow, this is unbelievable. I started reading Sarno a week ago, I feel like my issues with chronic groin pain get better every day.
This subject hits home with me also. I have needed glasses or contacts since I was in 3rd grade for near-sightedness. My vision pretty much gets worse every time I go back for an appointment, and now I'd say that I'm pretty much legally blind beyond a couple of feet.
Has anybody been able to "cure" eyesight as bad as mine is? This would be amazing if I were able to do this.
You’ll fall down, you stumble, you land square on your face. And every time that happens, you get back on your feet. You get up just as fast as you can, no matter how many times you need to do it |
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2013 : 16:17:05
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Thanks al,
gt, you can correct it with a fairly negative prescription, mine was -5 and I am not 20/20 all the time yet, but am significantly better after 2 years and thats bairly wearing glasses, if at all. It seems the more negative you are the harder it is to fix and takes a lot of work. Like in TMS though, there are exceptions listed in dr bates' writings where some with a very negative prescription got better very fast. |
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GTfan
USA
84 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2013 : 19:13:24
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Originally posted by Ace1
Thanks al,
gt, you can correct it with a fairly negative prescription, mine was -5 and I am not 20/20 all the time yet, but am significantly better after 2 years and thats bairly wearing glasses, if at all. It seems the more negative you are the harder it is to fix and takes a lot of work. Like in TMS though, there are exceptions listed in dr bates' writings where some with a very negative prescription got better very fast.
Ok, I'm at -5.75. This will be my project after I find complete relief of groin pain and TMJ.
You’ll fall down, you stumble, you land square on your face. And every time that happens, you get back on your feet. You get up just as fast as you can, no matter how many times you need to do it |
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windy
USA
84 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2013 : 10:27:01
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Hi Alex,
I rarely read this forum, so luckily I saw your post! I rarely wear glasses now. I do wear a light distance rx for driving but that's it. On paper, my vision has not improved. However,I feel that my eyes are far more functional. I rarely get headaches and eye strain and my eyes are not reliant on glasses anymore. I don't actually do the exercises in the book, I feel I benefitted from simply viewing the situation differently. Hope this helps. Be well.
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dgreen97
122 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2013 : 14:21:33
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| vivian would it be possible to talk to you more about this? you were the first person i found that has many of the same issues and wanted to get your insight if you would be so kind. we could talk through email or on the message board here |
Edited by - dgreen97 on 04/19/2013 14:24:53 |
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dgreen97
122 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2013 : 14:24:14
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| because reading what you said is like seeing myself in the mirror |
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windy
USA
84 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2013 : 12:08:12
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| Alex, I pm'd you with my email addy. |
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cakeflowfatt
28 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2013 : 09:55:42
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Being the youngest, most of them wearing glasses, and 2 parents who wore them, I would say I expected I would need them. One of those 'inherited' disorders.
CFF
-Trying to forgive, let go, sleep, and make my spoiled inner child grow up |
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walnut864
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Posted - 10/09/2013 : 13:52:13
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ive ran across dr bates work before. i never gave it a chance i figured it was just snake oil. i too was told that i have astigmatism in both eye. i was in the 3rd grade when i was told i needed glasses. i even remember the optometrist saying that my vision would probably get worse until im in my 20s and it would stay the same after that.
well im 32 now and every 2 years my Rx gets worse and worse. I am currently wearing like a -4.75 and -4.50 in the other lens. i pay big money to get the polycarbonate lenses so i dont have these big thick bottle cap plastic lenses.
what i would like to know from the people that have actually had some success with this is: do u think it would be a waste of my time considering my vision?
how i can i go without glasses when i cant read the letters on the keyboard more than a foot from my face?
also i have one interesting thing id like to say. as a kid sitting in church i would get bored and i can remember sitting way in the back and id take my glasses off and play with my eyelids. i noticed that if i take my skin and stretch my eyelids like a chinese person that by stretching it a certain way and applying the right pressure i could see perfectly from the back of the church to the choir any idea why? |
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2013 : 19:46:03
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| I'm not going to lie to you and tell you that this process is easy. It's been like 2.5 years of vision correction for me with significant improvement, but I still have years to go. It is possible and compliments TMS treatment very well, but it is very slow and you have to live for a period of time with blurry vision. |
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stocktrader
30 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2013 : 06:55:51
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| Good post. |
Edited by - stocktrader on 10/11/2013 06:18:51 |
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Wavy Soul
USA
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Posted - 10/10/2013 : 17:09:02
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I've had major "eye" stuff for the last few years, since my family all started dying. Double vision and severe painful dry eyes.
My mum died 2 weeks ago, and my eyes hurt worse than ever. I am sure it is a form of TMS.
I went to see the doc that Tennis Tom mentions, but felt it was way too much money and couldn't get myself to return.
Then I found out about Meir Schneider, who cured himself of near-blindness (google him). He lives in San Francisco, and I went over the bridge and spent a couple of hours with him. He has a school where they teach all kinds of vision stuff. I was impressed with him - he's quite amazing, and definitely NOT into it for the money. He has a new book out.
But I felt that the one thing I got from him, to start the process by myself, was the process of palming - putting your hands cupped over your eyes, and trying to see darkness. I figured I would really practice that, and when I am really doing it - like a form of meditation - I would go back.
I have been doing it in the bath tub, where I can lean my elbows on the sides of the tub and comfortably palm my eyes. What I find is that under the complete relaxation which seems to be stronger with the hands cupped than if I were just wearing a blindfold, my eyes start to dart around and they actually WANT to do a certain kind of stretching. I can feel them kind of healing and unraveling themselves. Just like yoga for the eyes, as Tom said, except it's kind of a spontaneous version.
When I actually get into it for a few minutes, I become more aware of the emotional feelings that are being held there, and of course what you feel you can heal - or rather it no longer has its function to distract you or communicate with you. I am pretty sure that it is just a mass of tension focused on this part of me that really really gets my attention and seems like a very serious problem, because I can't do things I want to do.
I am letting go of the idea that it is a real, organic problem. More like very very very tight hamstrings.
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
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stocktrader
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Posted - 10/11/2013 : 06:18:05
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Hey ACE,
For this treatment, you only use your "Keys to Healing" too? |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 10/11/2013 : 10:17:21
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Originally posted by Wavy Soul
...I went to see the doc that Tennis Tom mentions, but felt it was way too much money and couldn't get myself to return.
...Then I found out about Meir Schneider, who cured himself of near-blindness (google him). He lives in San Francisco, and I went over the bridge and spent a couple of hours with him. He has a school where they teach all kinds of vision stuff. I was impressed with him - he's quite amazing, and definitely NOT into it for the money. He has a new book out.
Welcome back Katie, sincere condolences on your Mom, don't underestimate what you accomplished cleaning up all her life (and death) "stuff" in such a short period of time, seems amazing to be able to do all that, hope you had some help.
Sorry about my eye doc, but he has kids to send to private schools and all the exhorbitant costs associated with living in Norcal as you and I/eye both know. Like TMS docs, he probably can't economically survive by vision/VISION therapy alone so has to give the quick-eye fixes that most all want and expect. I like the fact that he is relatively non/invasive and doesn't start off by giving referrals to some kick-back eye-surgeon who cuts up your eyeballs to stretch them out.
Meir Schneider sounds interesting, wasn't he the guy who went blind and cured himself? I think I've got a video by him kicking around somewhere. Does he have a web-site you can link us to for future reference? If you're needing more knowledge on vision/VISION the books by Dr. Roberto Kaplan up in B.C., Canada are great!
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