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lidge
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 Posted - 10/20/2007 : 21:11:02
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I'm finding my pain is increasing, especially during sleep (waking up from it). Did anyone find this happened to them? Could this be the unconscious "fighting back" when we are at our weakest? Bad sign?
Good sign? Irrelevant?
I recall Sarno saying in on of his books that he had night pain but not sure he attached any relevance to it. |
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sensei adam rostocki
USA
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Posted - 10/20/2007 : 21:35:20
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I am a strong believer in night pain being an indication of TMS. After all, when we sleep, we are at the mercy of our subconscious. Often we awake with a feeling, but no memory of why we feel that way. Other times we awake with a memory of precisely what we were dreaming about. Use this information as a guide to learning what is going on just under the conscious surface.
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la_kevin
USA
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Posted - 10/20/2007 : 23:07:05
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I'm the opposite lidge. I have absolutely NO symptoms when I sleep, which is funny because that was an indicator to me of TMS. But when I was going through the nightmare of "new pain" laying down or resting sucked. I had pillows in every position, between my legs, etc. Sometimes even moving an INCH the wrong way felt like it was doing some harm. RIDICULOUS.
But Lidge. You are very occupied with the symptoms. I know it's hard not to be, and may seem impossible. Trust me I have the deepest compassion for those in pain like yours. But please try and break out of the "what if" cycle as much as possible. |
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mk6283
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2007 : 07:37:29
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Lidge, it is absolutely possible that your pain can be attributed to TMS. However, pain of any form that awakens people from sleep is often considered an ominous symptom to the clinician. I urge you to (if you have not already done so) visit your physician to rule out any organic causes for your pain. At that point, it is perfectly safe to assume that your night pain is simply another conditioned response of TMS. Conditioning is a very powerful beast -- I once had a twitch in my nose that would only appear immediately after I yawned -- and if you don't begin to think psychologically about it then you are only going to continue to feed a vicious cycle that will only continue to enhance your pain and worrying. Good luck.
Best,
MK |
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lidge
USA
184 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2007 : 09:01:40
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If as in TMS the pain is repressed rage from the unconscious, why then wouldn't most people here have night pain as certainly
the unconscious is not turned off when we sleep?
I'm trying hard to ignore symptoms but they are beating me constantly and mercilessly- I can certainly logically make connections in
my mind and journal from the past- but the pain is not subsiding.
MK- over the past year I have seen numerous doctors who thought they knew the cause of some of the pain- but nothing has worked.
I recently discovered vitamin D deficiency, thyroid issue (perhaps)
but no one thinks it could explain the intensity of pain. I have
taken a break from the drs because I am trying very hard to
stop the medical merry go round which has brought me to my knees.
Of course there is herniated discs, etc,
Can anyone share their experience with night pain? I feel just
horrible right now- it doesn't get any better waking up-just endless
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mk6283
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2007 : 10:10:12
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My only experience with symptomology while asleep was a short bout with exaggerated sleep myoclonus a few months back. The symptoms subsided as soon as I accepted the fact that it was simply another guise of TMS. I have since wondered if the so-called "restless leg syndrome" (RLS) that is gaining popularity in the media is just a prolonged bout with the situation I experienced. Although I do not have any personal experience with RLS patients, I would bet that it is yet another TMS equivalent.
Lidge, you mention that you have been diagnosed with a vitamin D deficiency. I do not know if you were treated for that condition or if you followed up to make sure that your vitamin D levels had normalized, but there is a condition known as osteomalacia (the adult form of rickets) that could present with bone pain and is usually the result of a vitamin D deficiency. It is worth looking into, particularly if you notice that your pain is only getting worse despite TMS therapy.
Having said that, it is perfectly logical to think that our unconscious emotions would manifest while asleep -- remember, Freud speculated that the only time our unconscious thoughts surface was during our dreams -- but my experience with it is rather limited. Hopefully some of the other forum members can provide you with some more insight. Good luck.
Best,
MK
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altherunner
Canada
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Posted - 10/21/2007 : 16:24:33
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I used to wake up with terrible sciatica, quite often on weekend mornings that I had planned to go on a long run. Maybe dreams and nightmares bringing up emotions and fears caused it. The conscious self (ego) is supposed to be almost non-existent in your dream state.
Mostly, the pain would go away if I went running anyway, ignored as best as possible. |
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cfhunter
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Posted - 10/21/2007 : 19:27:14
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I definitely have woken up having more pain from the dreams I have had.
It subsides or goes away completely once I wake up.
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smashist
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Posted - 10/22/2007 : 21:46:50
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I always get nailed in the morning right before I wake up, which is either
A. A conditioned response ( like how it's conditioned with exercise and certain body positions )
B. The fact that when we sleep we move closer towards our unconscious thoughts, desires, fears, emotions, etc
or it's a combination of both. I'm going with the combination. It's a real pain in the ass though, sometimes it feels like I'm literally being tortured, but I can be basically fine for the rest of the day. I can tell when it's happening that it's trying to repress something, I get "that feeling" about it.
yeah right. |
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mk6283
USA
272 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2007 : 21:55:22
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Fibromyalgia patients (i.e. the most extreme forms of TMS) notoriously suffer from morning stiffness and aching. This may indeed be the result of the "unconscious awareness" that occurs while we sleep.
Best,
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The Unconscious and Night Pain
