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hotshot468
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 Posted - 11/12/2004 : 13:42:54
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Hey Thanks for your replies. I just do not want to go down the surgery route. I have read Sarnos Book multiple of times and it did seem to work some, but it never got about 65% cured. Now I am hurting real bad again and I have lost some faith in Sarnos method. If a herniated disk is pressing on a nerve it is going to hurt not be numb. I just want to get well and I have tried visualization, meditation, thinking physcologically. I am jsut really frustrated. My life has not been the same for almost 4 years now because of this pain. I have had 2 friends now in the laast year have surgery and they are back to normal. It is frustrating.. Why is that?
FOX is your pain constant for 20 years? Doe sit fluctuate?
Thanks guys and have a great weekend, Jimmy |
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Baseball65
USA
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Posted - 11/12/2004 : 18:00:15
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I know this question wasn't directed to me,but I thought I'd chime in with a story.
My Best friend who was considering surgery finally listened to the Sarno Books on tape( He wouldn't read it so I found it on tape for him)
He immediately recovered..I'm talking in like 4 weeks(he has 2 or three herniated discs...the worst one is like a 7mm,but the others are close)
However,about 6 months later he developed TMJ!! Sarno addresses this in the book.
It's really easy for me to see why he has the symptom...He is a supernice,anal retentive master carpenter...most friendly guy you could ever meet,Christian and a fine example of it(lives what he speaks)
Unfortunately he has a wife who is a PSYCHO out of control spender...she's ill in my appraisal.She's perfectly normal in every respect,except fueled by a constant desire to spend money and commit my friend to social engagements he doesn't want to attend,dooms him to overtime he doesn't want to work(to supply her "habit") and has effectively Buried him finacially and personally.He can't ever SAY what he thinks,or she punishes him,withholding sex and attention.
TMJ=Can't say what he really thinks
None of us have the Juevos to bring it up to him,and he's had moments where he stood up for himself and the TMJ went away...but HE doesn't see it.
I think part of the reason why some of us are more resistant is in the psychological make-up that makes us individuals.
Have you really done the excersises and the twelve daily reviews? ...Maybe kept a journal and wrote down your innermost thoughts? Remember,it's not what we experience,it's what we Don't that brings on the TMS.
Sometimes I feel a little frustrated with my wife.In conversation she's as fluent in Sarno Philosophy as anybody,but she won't read the book,but more importantly,she won't do the most important part........It is critical to turn your thoughts to the unsavory ones to retrain your Brain!!! This is against the mental patterns that the Tony Robbins Positive thinking culture would have us do...it's a minute by minute/hour to hour process.Everytime the pain comes and you don't think immediately of what might be bugging you,that's one more time you're allowing the conditioning and reinforcement of your pain to advance.
Oh yeah,...and your friends who recovered from surgery...give them time.They'll have a new symptom when the placebo wears off.I've watched hundreds of guys at work "recover" only to go back out again in a year..sometimes even months.
I had the surgery and was WORSE...I was so anxious about the results,that I fired up an already burning house.
Reading is only the path and though crucial,not the crux of the recovery.
oh yeah...I LIKE Anthony Robbins...I've done his programs and they really motivate you....I just wouldn't recommend it to a pain patient until they've recovered 100%
Get well
Marc the Baseball fiend
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LarryLI
USA
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Posted - 11/12/2004 : 20:54:20
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I can understand your frustration and how someone can lose faith but relief from TMS or equivlants will not happen unless you believe down to your soul that the pain/distraction you feel is not due to a structural abnormality. You can relate/intellectualize with Sarno's theories but if there is even a slight doubt, your TMS mind will not abandon its strategy. If any doubt exists all of the hard work you do (reading, journaling, thinking psychologically...etc..)will be in vane. It took me over a year to feel any progress but once I soul searched and discovered that I was still holding onto the slightest doubt the progress began. The length of time someone is in pain is irrelavant if they are not thinking pyschologically about their pain. Don't give up. It works.
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Originally posted by hotshot468
Hey Thanks for your replies. I just do not want to go down the surgery route. I have read Sarnos Book multiple of times and it did seem to work some, but it never got about 65% cured. Now I am hurting real bad again and I have lost some faith in Sarnos method. If a herniated disk is pressing on a nerve it is going to hurt not be numb. I just want to get well and I have tried visualization, meditation, thinking physcologically. I am jsut really frustrated. My life has not been the same for almost 4 years now because of this pain. I have had 2 friends now in the laast year have surgery and they are back to normal. It is frustrating.. Why is that?
FOX is your pain constant for 20 years? Doe sit fluctuate?
Thanks guys and have a great weekend, Jimmy
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Fox
USA
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Posted - 11/15/2004 : 09:39:48
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| LarryLI -- I agree with you that it is imperative to crush even the slightest bit of doubt about the TMS diagnosis in order to benefit from Sarno....When I extinguished the last bit of doubt was when I started seeing real benefits. |
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