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skizzik
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 Posted - 06/10/2007 : 14:05:20
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Was trying to come up w/ some sort of paradigm to explain why I can't shake the impetous that I have a real sprain in the facet joint area up and down the lumbar spine that I keep re-aggravating rather than the TMS I kicked 4 yrs ago.
Oxygen debt in a ligament or tendon lets say would make it stiffer, less flexible. Then rushing back into vigorus non-restricted excercise would very much result in a break or tear of said lig/tend due to the unflexiblilty put on by the oxygen debt.
Even though my back pain is still there I test myself from time to time w/ some wgts or chinups only to return to the pain bin w/ stabbing pain.
So what I'm thinking, instead of me lifting and getting greater TMS pain because my mind wants me to be distracted, perhaps due to the oxygen debt in the first place I am creating "real" trauma to my tendons/ligs by trying to rtn to fast, thereby creating a vicious cycle of "real pain"? "TMS pain"? and sinking further into fustration, depression/anxiety.
What do you guys think? Sarno calls TMS harmless, and can't hurt you, but in this instance, I think TMS w/b dangerous in it's oxygen deprived form.
An example, on the "Ellen" MRI, it's seen that she has a "real injury" as a tendon/lig rupture is pointed to on the MRI. Now, did she get that rupture because the lig/tend was being oxygen deprived for some time and was stiffer and could'nt take the stress of bending over to pick up her little dog, and then POP. The tendon was'nt weak due to age or activity, rather TMS had it unflexible? |
Edited by - skizzik on 06/10/2007 14:07:44 |
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electraglideman
USA
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Posted - 06/10/2007 : 15:55:41
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skizzik, anytime you go to the gym and workout you need to warm up first. I will do some type of cardio for 15 to 20 minutes and be sweating profusely before I do any lifting.
I'm repeating myself when I say this but no physical activity is going to reduce your pain. You have TMS. Its coming from your unconscious mind.
As Shawnsmith would say "stop talking about the physical".
How about sharing with us why you think your brain has caused oxygen deprivation to your back. What is causing the overflow of rage in you unconscious mind? Talking about it will help more than any exercise routine.
Now go take the kids for another long walk.
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skizzik
USA
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Posted - 06/10/2007 : 18:47:59
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glideman, so your'e the guy who drips sweat all over the machines and does'nt wipe them off . Thanx, I feel the love, but I think I screwed up my post and did not convey my thought properly.
Let me try again, to the point. A tendon thats Oxygen deprived is at risk of "real injury" (tear, rupture,etc)due to the inflexibility of it if one rushes back into unrestricted physical activity b4 properly alleviating TMS treatment and allowing blood and oxygen to return....right?
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electraglideman
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Posted - 06/10/2007 : 21:12:05
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You know what, this is just a guess and I hate to guess at something like this but here goes. I think the oxygen deprivation is a very tiny amount over a period of time that causes the discomfort or pain. Probably not enough to cause an injury but thats just a guess.
I can tell you this. During all of the years that I have had TMS induced pain I have never injured my back or neck while working out in the gym and I lift heavy.
Dr. Sarno says to return to NORMAL activities as soon as posible. I don't think he had in mind going to the gym right off the bat and start trying to do 300lb. squats and 250 deadlifts. I think he was talking about getting up and going to the office or doing house work or mowing the lawn.
Now I wouldn't advise anyone to "rush back into unrestricted physical activity" if they have laid off for a while. Even people who have never had an injury or pain.
If your planning on going back in the gym, and I think you should, start off slow. Increase your reps and weights gradually. Don't be in a "rush". Take baby steps at first. Getting yourself in good physical condition is a life long committment. Just remember your physical activities will not reduce the pain.
Your pain is reduced by reading Sarno, this forum, and journaling.
See you in the gym.
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Stryder
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Posted - 06/10/2007 : 21:34:55
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Hey ski,
TMS has your mind "playing the movie". Its got you trying to figure it all out. You are playing the movie over and over again in your mind. Over and over again and again. I can tell you are doing this because I used to do it all the time myself. Its a big time distraction / obsession.
Try this.
TMS is. It just is. It doesn't need figuring out. As Marc (BB65) would say, Let Go.
Find something else to focus your energy on.
Take care, -Stryder |
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oxygen deprivation's impact on a "real" injury
