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plainchant
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 Posted - 11/01/2004 : 17:15:17
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6124646/
I read the above article about the benefits of cherries and thought that it might be helpful to some TMS sufferers. It seems that tart cherries and tart cherry juice has some pretty amazing properties: it takes away pain, reduces anxiety, depression, and insomnia because of the melatonin content. I've had a nagging recent TMS flair-up. So I bought a bottle of pure cherry juice and it really seemed to reduce the pain. Of course, it could be because of the placebo effect, but it also seems that the science backs up the fruit's effectiveness. And drinking cherry juice also fights against heart disease and certain cancers, so it's going to be beneficial one way or another. |
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Suz
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 12:15:54
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| I agree with you that cherries are fabulous. But I think you may have experienced a placebo affect - the unconscious after all is causing the pain. The relief will probably only be temporary |
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Stryder
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 15:15:36
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Hmmm, I've never tried cherry juice. I do like tart drinks, so I think I'll give it a try :-)
BTW, likley major placebo effect in my opinion.
Got Sarno?
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plainchant
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 16:54:59
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| Hi guys. While it is likely to be the placebo effect, there is sound scientific evidence that cherries reduce the pain of arthritis, gout and other conditions. And since the melatonin in cherries could help the TMS sufferer sleep better and control anxiety, it can be helping in those ways as well to provide relief. Of course, it is no substitute for facing one's repressed emotions directly. However, it might be able to provide adjunct help while getting over a TMS bump. Obviously if it keeps working for me in the future, it might suggest that it goes beyond the placebo effect. |
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JohnD
USA
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 17:32:35
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| just because one suffers from tms, doesn't meant that a cherry or something else couldn't help. It doesn't mean that it was 100% placebo. Remember tms is caused by the unconscious but when its all said and done its a physical process that produces real symptoms. When a person drinks wine to relieve anxiety, this isn't a placebo effect, it is temporarily helping problem which in the end is still tms. |
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Laura
USA
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Posted - 11/05/2004 : 12:57:39
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Thanks for the info on cherry juice. I never heard of any of that before but I think I'll try it. I'm suffering major insomnia right now and it seems nothing I do can help me sleep through the night. It might be just the trick. Also, I agree with what the last post said.
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klc183
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Posted - 11/06/2004 : 22:54:19
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| My perspective is that the cherries have some health properties, but in terms of being helpful to TMS, I disagree because TMS has no physiological basis - it is a physical manifestation of an emotional issue. Just my two cents. KLC |
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mala
Hong Kong
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Posted - 11/07/2004 : 00:35:55
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Considering that early asprin was derived from willow bark is it too much to believe that there are many natural alternatives to otherwise synthetically manufactured pills.
It is very possible that cherries do have some kind of pain relieving properties and if it helps with the pain- then hey that's great. Have the cherries and when you feel less pain you will have more confidence in sorting your pain out the tms way. Much better than popping pills.
Good Luck & Good Health
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plainchant
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Posted - 11/07/2004 : 05:20:17
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klc183 is obviously right that TMS has an emotional basis, but that is precisely why some articles on tart cherries recently caught my eye (simply type the words "pain" and "cherries" into any search engine to see what I mean). Not only do cherries supposedly act as a natural pain reliever for some conditions, but the significant melatonin content apparently helps with moods and insomnia. Apparently some fibromyalgia sufferers use cherries to relieve their symptoms. And, of course, anyone on this board knows that fibromyalgia is nothing but a "total body" form of tms. Anyway, I'm surprised by all the attention my little post has garnered. But I hope pure tart cherries might prove to be helpful to people during stubborn TMS flair ups.
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 11/07/2004 : 09:35:52
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I checked out the MSNBC story. Too bad Gary's not here, since he was in the add business and could explain better how this works. The story appears to be a thinly disgusied add for the two companies that have links in it. The free lance-writer makes money for writing the article. The supplement company makes money, and the juice company makes money--YOUR MONEY! They begin by winning your confidence by giving credibility to the "science" by naming a university doctor who did a scientific study-the "white-coat" impramature. If we believed what every white-coat said, I don't think we would be hanging around here.
I'm pretty sure the "news" story was based upon a press release, that no one checked out and makes it cheap and easy to publish "news". It appears to be an advetisment disqusised as a news story. Marketing companies know that editorial stories have ten times the credibility with readers than ads do.
I would be cautious of any "news" stories that contain links to companies selling anything.
Cherries are great and at least you get some nutrition and they are a healthy snack. But curing artritis  . Since, my understanding of arthritis is that the term arthritis is used to describe about a 100 different conditions, that, the cause, cure and treatment are as yet unknown for, good luck! (Could arthritis be TMS "
It mentions melatonin which was realy big several years ago for jet-lag. The last thing I read about melatonin was that it did nothing. Now it's come back around again.
Let's do a study. Go out and buy the stuff and let us know how you do. If it cures your arthritis and you sleep like a log for 90 days, let us know and I'll buy a case of it. I've tried enough things in the last ten years. This year, I threw away a half a garbage can of very expensive supplements. I couldn't stand looking at them any more, in my kitchen cabinets, and got tired of swallowing them all day long. I had a fishing tackle box, I travelled with, to keep them all sorted out. I threw the whole thing out. I now take nothing whatsover, and have never felt better!
Is life a placebo for death
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menvert
Australia
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Posted - 11/09/2004 : 02:30:04
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I'm with you on that one Tom :) it had to be said, and I'm glad it's you who said it :)
I've given up on chasing those 'instant' / 'magical' cures :) it's just a distraction keeping your away from actually dealing with yourself.
Because I'm pretty sure I know how to Cure myself... I just have to be courageous enough to actually do it[myself].... |
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