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2scoops
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 Posted - 05/12/2007 : 10:10:39
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Does he mention nutrition as far as overall health. I know in his books he mentions exercise.
I am also curious as the whether he takes supplements or vitamins, does anyone know? |
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sensei adam rostocki
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2007 : 10:26:41
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I am not privy to Dr. Sarno's personal dietary intake, but I can generalize about this topic...
Dr. Sarno, like all doctors, realizes that diet and exercise is important to a healthy body and mind. However, he does not endorse these measures as a specific treatment for pain, unless there is an obvious deficiency in a particular patient. Eating well and treating your body correctly is an obvious part of good health. It does not take a doctor to tell anyone this fact. However, simply increasing your exercise or changing your diet is not likely to cure a chronic pain syndrome. It will certainly do nothing at all to change the emotional issues behind TMS. Any patient who does experience significant improvement from TMS using these modalities is simply proving the concept of a placebo cure. My best to you. - Sensei
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 05/12/2007 : 10:38:58
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Dr. Sarno praises Andrew Weil's book Spontaneous Healing, and that books has detailed information on vitamins and supplements. I myself take a daily multi-vitamin as will as vitamin C. I rarely get a cold when before I used to get them quite frquently.
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Shary
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Posted - 05/12/2007 : 12:17:45
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| Andrew Weil's book, Spontaneous Healing, is where I first heard about the Sarno approach to neck, back and shoulder pain, and he does espouse healthy nutrition. I do think that if you eat properly and avoid junkfood (yes, that includes soda pop), you probably don't need as much in the way of bottled vitamins. The theory that our soils are too depleted to produce quality food is horse manure. I've done enough gardening to know that poor-quality soil produces a crop that few people in this country would pay money for. |
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mizlorinj
USA
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Posted - 05/14/2007 : 09:11:17
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2scoops:
Dr. Sarno did not talk about nutrition with me. He told me to exercise when some or most of the pain was gone. We spent most of the appt. time talking about the psychological factors.
A nutritionist (registered dietician) acquaintance tells me most people's diets are quite horrendous. Mentioned when I asked her why I would need a RD. I do believe diet is an important factor in overall health.
-Lori |
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mizlorinj
USA
490 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2007 : 09:12:30
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Oh, and Dr. Sarno did not mention vitamins or supplements (to my recollection).
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chrisb89
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Posted - 05/14/2007 : 09:54:18
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Originally posted by mizlorinj
2scoops:
Dr. Sarno did not talk about nutrition with me. He told me to exercise when some or most of the pain was gone. We spent most of the appt. time talking about the psychological factors.
A nutritionist (registered dietician) acquaintance tells me most people's diets are quite horrendous. Mentioned when I asked her why I would need a RD. I do believe diet is an important factor in overall health.
-Lori
For you and anyone else who has seen him: what else did he do for you? I have this stubborn pain for 2 months now and while it tend to ebb and flow and gotten better since I discovered TMS I can't seem to kick it completely? Did Sarno give you anything that you wouldn't have gotten from here or his books?
I would love to see him, but it would be tough based on money and more importantly the fact that I'm about 6 hours from NYC. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 05/14/2007 : 10:20:33
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If I may take my usual heretical position and not be carbonized at the B-B-Q stake, unless you suffer from some anacronism of a disease like scurvy or ricketts, IMHO, nutrition has absolutey NOTHING to do with TMS.
No one in the USA, is starving or lacks for adaquate nutritional intake. In the good ole' days, miners spent the whole day digging for coal, deriving most of their nutriton from a pie called a pastie, composed chiefly of LARD, (black lung is a different story).
A Big Mac, fries and a milkshake will give one all the nutriton one needs to stay healthy, at a minimal cost, (personally I prefer In-N-Out Burger because it tastes better and they will give it to me rare.)
A Big Mac contains lots of protein, which is the main element for building body tissues, lettuce, tomato, onions, carbo, starch, sugar, milk and fat and don't forget your SALT!, which wars have been faught over. All in all it's a very balanced meal and contains all the vitamins one needs.
When the real science is done, MacDonals or In-N-Out will be found to be the best source of nutrition at the CHEAPEST possible cost.
The bigger problem is that we now live in a culture where most of us sit on our fat butts all day pushing paper and have TOO much time on our hands to invent psychosomatic TMS symptoms.
But, if one wants to go to Whole Foods, spend a lot more money and mingle with a higher demographic, it's a free country. You can also purchase all those tasty, tiny sugar pills at Whole Foods that is called "homeopathy", pick up a rabbit's-foot while you're at it.
Cheers,
tt
Some of my favorite excerpts from " THE DIVIDED MIND " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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mizlorinj
USA
490 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2007 : 11:26:02
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ok, well, not sure I think McDonald's has what I'd call a balanced meal. Processed maybe. I prefer Checkers. 
Anyway, Dr. Sarno visit: first we talked about my x-rays and MRI--he acknowledged a large herniated disc. Told me it's part of the aging process, and most spines aren't "normal" after 20 years old. AND that herniated discs rarely caused any pain. Good to know--so the orthopod was wrong when she said "you're at the age when these things happen." Or I guess I could change her meaning to: I'm at the age when things in life cause the brain to trigger physical pain. Then he asked what is going on in your life that could be contributing to your TMS? Discussed current issues very briefly, then got ready for exam.
He poked me here and there. It all pretty much hurt. Did what the orthopods did, stand on one foot, try to bend forward, back, etc. He pointed out if the disc was the problem I wouldn't have been able to do a few of the things he asked me to do (don't recall what they were). Interesting to me at the time, both the lower back right (herniated disc area) AND left side hurt, so why would that be if it wasn't TMS.
Then when done, got re-dressed and talked more about repressed anger issues. He asked about my childhood, it was strict, at which point he said that alone is a cause for repressed anger. He drew a beaker overflowing and showed the 3 things that are in the beaker: everyday stress, childhood stress, and ourselves: perfectionism, goodism, etc. He did say ppl who were raised in strict religious households particularly have tms manifestations because having to "be good" is so angering to our inner child. Interesting. Talked about the study guide, writing, reading. Told me "you'll be sitting sooner than you think" which was encouraging (I could not sit due to butt pain). Talked about lecture, forum, etc. That was it. Left feeling quite relieved--though not pain-free yet.
He is a man of conviction--I loved how he spoke about things. No doubts or "it could be".
Was back to work 1.5 (and sitting) weeks later. Grateful to have my normal life back. I do occasionally get a twinge of pain, but can pretty much immediately relate it to something going on, and one that connection is clear to me, the pain goes away.
-Lori
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mizlorinj
USA
490 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2007 : 11:30:42
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I've probably left out some important details of my visit with Dr. Sarno. I just don't remember all of it since I was ailing so! |
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Curiosity18
USA
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Posted - 05/14/2007 : 19:27:42
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For what it's worth, I saw Dr. Sarno in 1993. He did pretty much the same thing that Lori described. Being a bit of an obsessive worrier, I asked him if I should give up caffeine as part of my TMS healing regime. He replied, "of course not!"
Incidentally, thanks to all of your encouragement I finally contacted him recently about my bladder issue (pain, major urgency and fullness). He stated that this is yet another common manifestation of TMS. The symptom imperative strikes again!
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entheogens
USA
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Posted - 05/15/2007 : 11:54:53
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What difference does it make what Dr. Sarno thinks about nutrition?
He is not the Oracle of Delphi and cannot claim experties in all areas of health.
That said, I think you find some people turning to nutrition in desperation when nothing else remedies a health problem. Perhaps some of those people suffer from illnesses of a psychosomatic nature.
A Big Mac MAY have all the protein you need, but it also has a bunch of chemicals, sodium, transfats and hormones pumped into it that you dont need. If you really think that junk is well-balanced, why don't you follow the diet of that guy who wrote/directed "Fast Food Nation"? Tell us about your results. Go out on the street and look at how many fat Americans there are. I lived in Europe for many years, where the diet is not as high in processed foods, and I rarely saw a fat person. Europeans laugh when they see so many blimp-like americans.
This is an interesting thread, because I suspect some people will use Dr. Sarno as an excuse (saying that everything is TMS related) to sit on their asses, eat junk food, and neglect their health. Cut the cult-of-the personality crap (like Sarno-ize it) and use your common sense! |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 05/15/2007 : 13:54:04
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Originally posted by entheogens
A Big Mac MAY have all the protein you need, but it also has a bunch of chemicals, sodium, transfats and hormones pumped into it that you dont need.
Stop it, you are making me hungry......
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weatherman
USA
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Posted - 05/16/2007 : 00:18:23
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I lived in Europe for many years, where the diet is not as high in processed foods, and I rarely saw a fat person. Europeans laugh when they see so many blimp-like americans.
I lived in France & England for 3 years growing up. Diet may play a part, but I think the big difference is that people in Europe actually WALKED places. At the time (late 1960s) quite a few people did not own cars, and even those who did would often use a bicycle for short trips. I remember that, living in a small village in England, you'd even see the local cop on a bicycle. It seems even more remarkable considering the prevalence of smoking there. Maybe being active allows one to get away with more bad habits? Also seemed like there were a lot more push mowers, wringer washers, etc. It was also harder for kids to zone out in front of a TV as there were only 2 channels, which were off the air part of the day.
I haven't been to Europe since, but am curious about how much those things have changed, as it has been about 40 years (Yikes!).
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