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seven
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 Posted - 04/19/2007 : 05:52:02
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If you read and get into the books, journal and allow yourself to "feel" all the emotions that arise from your past. and then virtually all the pain goes away but then it returns again. Wouldn't this indicate this is ''current daily emotions'' that you are repressing instead of past ones because you were pain free and it came back?
It seems like the period of being ''pain free'' would indicate the past repressed emotions where dealt with sufficiently enough to come to a pain free point. Then if it returns it must be current repressed emotions, right?
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2007 : 09:37:50
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Hi Seven,
Let me take a shot at this one having just read the relavant chapter in Dr. Sopher's book. TMS psychosomatic/psychogenic pain is created and composed of a dynamic from three pressure sources:
1) The constant conflict between the id (our inner-child) and the superego (our inner-parent) with the ego (our inner-us, the adult) having to constantly mediate the conflict.
2) Daily life-cycle pressures (also sometimes called stressors),
3) Residual stuff from our youth (like bad parenting and bullying at shchool).
The above three psychic domains create the "reservoir of rage". The reservoir is alaways there like a lake behind a dam. Some times it's low lik in the summer when you are water-skiing, b-b-q'ing, drinking margaritas, partying and getting lucky all weekend.
Sometimes the reservoir is full like in the winter when it rains for 40 days and nights, you hate going to work, can't find a parking space, lost a case at the Supreme Court and can't get a date.
For everyone of us here the ingredients from the three pressure creating psychological areas will be different, it's a dynamic.
Depending upon the ingredients in your gray matter, the recipe that will cause the rage reservoir to go over the dam, will vary.
Each of the three area, has it's work to do, to help maintain the overall psychic homeostasis.
I know there are some therapists out there. Please chime in and correct me if I've got some of this wrong which I probably do.
Some of my favorite excerpts from 'TDM' : http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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miehnesor
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2007 : 11:31:11
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I don't know if you can come to the conclusion that the past stuff has been fully dealt with.
My case seems to be almost entirely early childhood stuff.
Earlier in my recovery I have had periods right after feeling episodes where the symptoms would come down only to pop back up after a day or so. After working on the old stuff for some time this symptoms popping back characteristic has moderated to a much lower level. Now I actually don't have this going on at all. The symptoms don't change and are very low level despite the continuing feeling work I am doing.
If you have a large reservoir or rage inside and you are able to feel it I believe it doesn't just all come out at once and you are done. It comes out drip by drip. As the drips come out it reduces the internal pressure and the symptoms ease. But the rage continually pushes its way towards consciousness and triggers symptoms with its proximity to release.
Of course I think TT's post is important because there are past and present stressors that cause symptoms so each person has to evaluate as best they can whether the cause is past or present stuff. However if you are releasing past feelings and getting a modulation in your symptoms as you have described I would be inclined to keep doing the same thing over and over again with the same stuff as long as you continue to get modulation.
It seems to me you are on the right track just remember that there is a large amount of repetitiveness in this work and the psyche takes time to heal. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 04/19/2007 : 12:13:57
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Dr. Sarno, especially in his video lecture, makes the point that it is rare indeed one will ever consciously feel the emotions that are bring about TMS symptoms. You may have felt something that your were previously unaware of, but it is doubtful, based on what Dr. Sarno teaches, that these were the issues that were causing your pain.
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 04/19/2007 : 15:22:37
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Good points Tennis Tom, but how, in your estimation and understanding of TMS, does one stop this cycle of experiencing physical symptoms in responce to stressors?
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miehnesor
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2007 : 15:26:19
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Originally posted by shawnsmith
Dr. Sarno, especially in his video lecture, makes the point that it is rare indeed one will ever consciously feel the emotions that are bring about TMS symptoms. You may have felt something that your were previously unaware of, but it is doubtful, based on what Dr. Sarno teaches, that these were the issues that were causing your pain.
I'm assuming that Seven has read, journaled, and felt something related to his past painful history and that he got symptom relief. If I am correct than the specific work he was doing was effective in healing something in his psyche. My point is that he should continue to do the same thing repetitively as long as he see's modulation of his symptoms.
The issue of the rarity of feeling repressed feelings is one that Dr Sarno does mention. He also mentions that if the provocation in great enought repressed emotions can surface. He has numerous cases in the TDM where patients in therapy were able to reach repressed feelings and got symptom relief from it. I can personally assure you that I feel repressed feelings every week in therapy and it is slowly bringing down my symptoms. I guess that makes me the exception TMS case rather than the rule.
My opinion is that TMS patients should constantly strive to discover the truth of their past and attempt to feel it even if it doesn't come. I also believe that more people than you think can feel repressed feelings given persistence and some useful tools to do it (inner child work, therapy, visualization, affirmations- if journaling alone doesn't do it). |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 04/19/2007 : 15:34:49
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miehnesor
You may be correct, but I am more inclined to hold the opinon that, for the most part, the fact you are thinking pyschologically and not physically is most likey the key to the recovery process regardless what emotions may be surfacing in your sessions. You are making the mental and emotional link between your symptoms and your hidden emotions and are thus thwarting the efforts of your brain which is continually trying to make you think about your physical symptoms and steer your attention of what is taking place in the psych.
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Penny
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2007 : 20:23:36
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Originally posted by miehnesor
I don't know if you can come to the conclusion that the past stuff has been fully dealt with.
Good points. Is it possible that we can EVER fully deal with our past? This has got me thinking ... will I ALWAYS need a therapist? How do you know when you've fully experieinced/exhausted the therapy process?
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 04/19/2007 : 23:56:44
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Originally posted by shawnsmith
Good points Tennis Tom, but how, in your estimation and understanding of TMS, does one stop this cycle of experiencing physical symptoms in responce to stressors?
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Return to normal activity. Do things that make you feel good. Don't try to do everything perfectly, just those things you want to be perfect. Be mediocre in most things, enjoy making mistakes and not careing. Don't be a goodist. Don't worry about pleasing people and being liked. Like yourself first and maybe less than a dozen others.
Like Mad Cramer says about stocks, have no fewer than five to be diversified and no more than ten. There isn't time to do the homework required for more than that.
Be an anarchist, piss on politicians.
Hope that helps, I could give you more but don't want to overload you. Does any of this sound helpful?
some of my favorite excerpts from 'TDM' : http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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Wavy Soul
USA
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Posted - 04/20/2007 : 00:32:56
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Yes, as usual all helpful, but most especially this from above:
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Sometimes the reservoir is full like in the winter when it rains for 40 days and nights, you hate going to work, can't find a parking space, lost a case at the Supreme Court and can't get a date.
Just so happens that all this just happened to me!
I think the old versus new rage thing is not so much the point as the dynamic of our relationship to both. When I become more comfortable in the forbidden arena of my rage, I discover that it is actually raw energy, which can be funneled into aliveness and health. This came to me a few months ago in a yoga class, even though I knew it theoretically.
As I get into more of a habit of acknowledging it, feeling into it (and yes, this absolutely can be done) and redirecting it, the whole reservoir is no longer so much of a problem as it is basically my fuel. I'm feeling this little by little and still doing the dance of symptoms.
When I explore these symptoms they are pretty basic stuff: yer basic father stuff, mother stuff, connection to source stuff. I'm on the latter right now.
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