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LitaM
Canada
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 Posted - 04/09/2007 : 08:20:56
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| Has anyone read the book by Dr. Scott Brady called Pain Free for Life? Is it worth reading, I just watched the free seminar on a links page that someone here posted. By the way, the other 20/20 link and Larry King links didn't work. I own The Mind Body Prescription and The Divided Mind and To Be or Not Be Pain Free. Would this be worth purchasing? |
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Newmom
USA
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Posted - 04/09/2007 : 09:17:57
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| I have read Dr. Brady's book. In my opinion, it is not really that different from Dr. Sarno's. If I can recall, instead of TMS he uses AOS (Autonomic overload syndrome). When I was reading his book, everytime he would refer to AOS I would substitute TMS and it made sense to me also. Also, Dr. Brady's book focuses on religion which for some people is a turnoff right away, and some embrace it. However, he has a whole section that deals with journaling that is very detailed. I recommend the book for the journaling part if somebody needs direction to start the journaling process. |
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ralphyde
USA
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Posted - 04/09/2007 : 09:45:15
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Lita, I also found that the 20/20 link didn't work a couple of days ago, so I emailed goodnewsbroadcast, and got a nice reply, saying he was crazy about Dr. Sarno and a cured patient, and would try to find out what happened to it, said they'd had server problems recently. So hopefully it will be back soon.
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wrldtrv
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Posted - 04/09/2007 : 17:29:45
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Yes, I've read it and am currently re-reading it. It does bring in religion, but Brady goes out of his way to say religion is not necessary to heal. On the other hand, he has a "spirituality questionaire and chapter on spitituality. If you are not religious you will flunk the test. Though he denies it, the implication is that you are at a disadvantage if you are not religious. I tried to take his overall message without getting caught up on the religious part.
While Sarno says "goodism" and "perfectionism" are the TMS culprits, Brady also includes "the legalist personality", the fear personality" and one other that I can't currently recall.
Brady's AOS is basically the same as Sarno's TMS, except that Sarno's seems to include many more symptoms and Sarno spends much more time going into detail about these symptoms (more meat in Sarno's presentation, I think).
Would I recommend the book? Sure. Doesn't hurt to have a slightly different perspective. |
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altherunner
Canada
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Posted - 04/09/2007 : 18:16:00
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| I liked the "Autonomic Overload Syndrome" concept. When we get too stressed, etc., we just get enough anger,or fear to boil over. I am not religious either, but his concepts could apply to any spiritual belief as well. Looking inward, at your true self, not the ego, can bring peace. You can feel this just being in nature, not thinking about your dreadful past, and future worries. The stress machine (your thinking mind) shuts down temporarily. Meditation slows this never ending thought train down, too. A worthwhile read. |
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LitaM
Canada
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 07:17:45
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| Thanks everyone for your responses. If I order from Amazon it will take 1-3 months for some reason. At least here in Canada. Thanks again. |
Edited by - LitaM on 04/10/2007 07:20:08 |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 10:46:13
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Originally posted by LitaM
Thanks everyone for your responses. If I order from Amazon it will take 1-3 months for some reason. At least here in Canada. Thanks again.
Something is wrong with that picture LitaM, I just recieved Dr. Brady's book, ordering from Amazon and it took about a week.
some of my favorite excerpts from 'TDM' : http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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LitaM
Canada
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 11:16:19
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Hi TT,
I live in Canada, I did manage to get the book from chapters/indigo another large book retailer here in Canada. I ususally deal with amazon since they are very fast and I never have any problems with my orders. Hopefully I will receive the book in a week or so.
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armchairlinguist
USA
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 12:58:02
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IMO the "legalist" is generally the same as the perfectionist. I don't know any perfectionists who don't get pissed when people don't follow the rules.
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vnwees
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 13:01:15
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| I'm reading the book and am finding it helpful. Anything in life that doesn't help I just try to disregard...like some of the religious stuff. But the words and ideas that support what I'm doing is all good, so it's a positive for me. It's hard enough finding sanity in the world. Nothing is perfect. Vicki |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 13:50:42
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Originally posted by vnwees
Anything in life that doesn't help I just try to disregard...like some of the religious stuff. Vicki
Just a comment on "religion". We do have a religion today, it's called "science". Most people accept scientific findings as the "truth". The high priests win the Noble Prize for discovering the TRUE origin of the ulcer. The local shamans wear white coats and are called doctors. The newest truths are handed down from the sacred writings found in the "Journals". Some of the shamans and scribes work in the hidden places called "labarotories", donning the holy vestements to keep from contaminating the life-form of the cell and accidentaly freeing them to plague the world. The crsytal ball is the elctron microscope that sees all.
Very few of us are allowed in to see the life forces in the laboratory but may read of them in the Journals, or second hand in the paper form or on the plasma screen. It is enough to establish their veracity as long as the priests wear a white coat and have many framed plaques on the wall with seals of certification. And almost ALL the high priests dis-avow TMS--self-belief being an anachronism in the Age of the Religion of Science, and evidence of an ego, heretical to the High Priests and punishable by banishment from the group.
some of my favorite excerpts from 'TDM' : http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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vnwees
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 16:55:01
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Hi Tom,
You always have something interesting to say. What's it like to be you?
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 00:17:18
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Originally posted by vnwees
Hi Tom,
You always have something interesting to say. What's it like to be you?
Vicki
Hi Vicki,
Thanks for the kind words. All I can say is that it ain't always easy being me, but I'm ok with it for now. In case it wasn't obvious, I love playing tennis and everything about the sport. The next best thing to playing it, is hanging out at at tennis clubs schmoozing with tennis players or watching it on TV.
I love traveling by car and car-camping. I found out about two interesting places to play tennis that I will travel to. One is near Carthage, Missouri, where there are two tennis courts inside of a cave.
The other is a grass court in Idaho that a farmer built alongside the road that anyone passing by is welcome to use. I hope to travel to those two places soon. I'm a car guy and will get one of the new 4- door Jeep Wrangler soft-tops. My dream car is Carol Shelby's Transiton Cobra that he started making again in aluminum.
And my dream dates would be Anne Coulter, Tammy Bruce (if she dated guys) and Dana Perino the President's hot and brainy new Press Secretary...but politicaly I am still an anarchist.
That's me,
tt 
Some of my favorite excerpts from 'TDM' : http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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vnwees
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 16:37:55
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Hi TT;
Playing tennis (or almost anything in a cave) sounds cool (literally and figuratively). Years ago I took a beginners tennis class. After the first lesson, the instructer came up to me, said I had natural talent, good hand eye coordination and could hit the ball sort of well (hard?). he seemed excited about it so I got all excited until a few lessons later when he realized I was never going to understand when it was time to run up to the net, when to run backwards, etc. The strategy was just lost on me (can't play chess, either, tho I often win at Monopoly...that's actually kind of embarrassing to admit). So after much disappointment (not that much) we realized that what I liked was just hitting the ball. Not serving or anything else. Haven't played (hit the ball) since Jake died (5 years.) It must be fun to be you, driving all over, playing a sport. Hows your hip these days? I am rereading tdm and sure find it helpful and reinforces all I'm trying to do in my recovery. I like the sound of the Idaho farmer. Will you get a chance to meet him? Sounds trippy. Got to get back to the salt mines. My work day's still in progress. Adios. Vicki |
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vnwees
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 16:44:30
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PS tt;
Ann (Rush in a mini skirt) Coulter???
Tammy (perhaps she'd make an exception 4 u) Bruce????
Dana (that young whipper snapper)Perino?????
holy cow. vicki |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 04/14/2007 : 21:50:19
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Hi Vicki,
With all the fanfare of Karen's board farewell tour I wasn't able to reply to your post, (Karen if you're lurking, that's a yoke, don't take it seriously, ok?).
I guess there's some weird animal attraction between anarchists (me) and hot neo-con women: Anne, Tammy and Dana--anti-politics makes strange bed-fella's.
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quoting Vicki:
"...I was never going to understand when it was time to run up to the net, when to run backwards, etc. The strategy was just lost on me..."
Sorry to hear that your tennis career was cut short due to the above quandry. The basic strategy for a beginner is quite simple, come towards the net if the ball is going to bounce twice and back-up it they lob it over your head. The art of the all-court game is pretty much lost except for the likes of Fedderer and Sampras. Most pro tennis today is played from the baseline, even at Wimbledon, mainly because many players don't know how to volley. Most women play from the baseline with the exception of a Navratalova. Andre Agassi went a long way with his big return game from the baseline.
As for my hip, it is what it is. Today when asked about it, I replied that I had pulled a muscle--maybe I'll use that answer for a while and see if my hip falls for it too.
I'm lucky that I can play at some level and have fun on a daily basis. I should take more days off but I like hitting the ball too much. Lucky I have a good serve, if you serve well they have to play you.
I am in a good frame of mind these days and enjoy traveling, sure beats being depressed.
Here's some links to the unique tennis venues I hope to travel to someday: (if they don't work I'll try to fix it when I can)
http://www.missourivalley.usta.com/news/fullstory.sps?Newsid=324130&itype=1268&iCategoryID=
http://www.missourivalley.usta.com/news/fullstory.sps?Newsid=32415&type=1268
(I don't think they work, oh well never mind, I'll fix it as soon as I can find a nine year old who knows something about computers)
Not being able to locate a nine year old computer geek in the hot-tub on such short notice, I think if one goes to the link and it's search box, typing in: "court of dreams" will bring up the grass court and "inner sanctum" the cave courts.
some of my favorite excerpts from 'TDM' : http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 04/16/2007 : 15:22:57
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Strangely enough the amazon.ca website says about the book: "Availability: Usually ships within 1 to 3 months. Ships from and sold by Amazon.ca."
That is weird indeed.
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vnwees
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Posted - 04/16/2007 : 18:27:35
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Hi TT (et al);
The effective age of my 2 granddaughters is about 9 years old (one is 17, the other is 2). Perhaps they could put their heads together as the geek squad, yuk yuk.
This months Discover magazine (May issue)had (what to me was)an interesting article on page 47 called "the elastic brain" which really makes me think about what the brain is doing when we sarnosize pain and other symptoms away. Don't know if you (or anyone else) would want to check it out but it is very thought provoking for me. I'm not quick with this type of thinking, so I have to read the words over and over and still often only leave with the flavor of what they're saying. I wouldn't be good at describing it to someone else. Part of my problem is a reduction in my memory and concentration ability the past few years. The family deaths took a toll in many ways. The therapist I used to see said this is quite common with a lot of grief/loss, but it really sucks.
Glad to hear you're enjoying life and tennis these days, Tom. Do you think it's (your hip problems)tms and equiv. or a structural problem? Weren't you getting mixed info from the docs? Either way, good luck with it.
April 19th would have been my sons 36th birthday, so this year I'm going to spend wed., thurs and fri. at a monastary/retreat down south for some quiet, introspective time. As sad as this week has been I have a renewed vigor and continue to build confidence as I sarnosize for more and more conditions. I wonder just how many things can be affected by working with (on?) the brain. The anxiety/depression seems to be an equivilant like sarno says and continues to improve, tho not in a straight line.
If you (or anyone) has any thoughts on the elastic brain article and how it may relate to sarno stuff, I'd love to hear them. Will check in here before and after my 3 day trip. I wondered for the first time whether or not memory and concentration problems (or other as yet unidentified and strange symptoms--certain types of dementia,perhaps?) could be an equivilant. They certainly can be distracting! My friends elderly mother is thought to have beginning stages of dementia, however, she started out fearing aging big time (repressed rage?)and is now having bouts of "losing it". Having "lost it" myself after Jake committed suicide, but now recovering from that (about 70% I'd say and still improving) it makes me wonder what we can affect (and what we can't). I had been diagnosed with many things after his death, (some of which I was told I would never recover from) but they're all hugely better after lots of brain/life work, so who knows?
Tally ho! (oh, that's not tennis, is it?)
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 04/18/2007 : 02:31:09
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Hi Vicki,
I hope your retreat gives you some solace for the loss of your son. My brother's birhday coincidentaly is also on April 19th.
I will try to read the Discovery article but no promises, since my back-log of books and materials, combined with my snails-pace reading style guarantees I will never finnish my "to read pile" in my lifetime. I would like to hear what you think about it though.
We never did get an answer from Dr.Ziggles about what determines the differences between, Alz, sinility and dementia. I think the dx'es for these will be as blurred in the minds of the general public as with any other TMS symptom--is it legit structural or is it TMS?
Let's all just give thanks that Dr. Sarno, who I believe is in his mid-eighties, is still sharp as a tack, as exhibited on the radio interview that I hope we all listened to.
Having experienced a "significant depression" first-hand, I can attest to the mind-altering TMS tricks that anxiety-depression TMS affective equivalents can cause. Thankfully, I feel as good or better than ever. I hope I don't ever experience it again, but in all reality, life being what it is, I probably will and hope I will be able to deal with it in a TMS fashion with a TMS trained therapist if necessary as a guide.
I feel we can lose our minds but also find them, with a new perspective on life in the process. I think one issue with aging is that the longer we live the more we have to remember and filter through to get to the data we are trying to remember. I try to store all my data in my PDA phone or on a note in my right pocket or wallet and reserve my mind for conceptualizing or fun stuff. I have no concern for remembering names anymore in fact I try to make a point of not remembering and calling everyone dear. If I do want to remember something, I don't think about it and in a moment or two it will pop into my head.
The TMS pressure of being put on the spot to remember, is what prevents us from doing so. When you take the pressure off, it just happens spontaneously with ease. I think a lot of our memory accuity is just learning tricks to organize our brain's storage areas to file stuff more efficently. I'm sure there are books teaching this stuff, in fact I think I have one on my bookshelf but I don't remember for sure, not having ever bothered to open it. I think concentration is a factor of being in a state of great relaxtion or the life or death need to.
The greatest contributing factor to my depression was quitting ALL exercise for six months out of frustration with my hip not getting better. BIG MISTAKE! Quitting exercising cold-turkey did not help my hip--but did succeed in makeing me cuck-coo. That's why I recommend exercise on this board so relentlessly as a complement to TMS work. A healthy body makes for healthy mindbody and vice-versa. I have had my greatest thoughts, breakthroughs and eppiphanies, while practicing my serve at sunset with dears grazing near by and herons flying overhead for coaches.
As to my hip, it is what it is. I am in no hurry for another dx, having had two already by TMS docs and I figure the third strike and it's out--I don't need no more stinkin' nocebo effects.
If I come across another TMS doctor, maybe I'll let him feel around my hip again and take some more MRI's--no hurry. Maybe medicine will come up for something less invasive for arthritis, if that's what it is. Or maybe God will take care of it for me. If all I wanted to do is walk normally, I could do that withnin three days if I quit playing tennis. I have yet to see anyone with a hip-replacement move better on a tennis court than before, but they do have less or no pain. Pain for me is not an issue.
Best Wishes,
tt
some of my favorite excerpts from 'TDM' : http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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