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tennis tom
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 Posted - 04/06/2007 : 10:56:04
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Ola Pault!
Welcome back, I recognized your story in The Divided Mind, in Dr. Sopher's chapter if I recall right. How goes it? I recently took an 8,000 mile road trip on old HW 50 through the blizzards in my '06 stretch Jeep Rubicon, from frisco to Lauderdale and back--it was a hoot! I'm on Kauai renting a 2-dr 07 Jeep, the new DC platform. You can actually drive it in the fast lane without worrying about going tippy. It's better off road too. I'm trying to get my hands on the 4-door which I'm gonna' get for sure, the factory can't keep up with the demand for 'em.
How's biz, nice to see ya' back! Maybe we could get your TMS TV segment linked to the site here somehow, I never have seen it.
Could you share any TMS insights you've had in your absence from the board?
Cheers,
tt 
some of my favorite excerpts from 'TDM' : http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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pault
USA
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Posted - 04/14/2007 : 05:22:10
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| Hi , I wondered how to put the ch5 movie on site. any ideas? I have been off for a while as a result of a lot of things including a rotator cuff surgery ,terrable virus that kept me sick for a while,had to fight a depression,no time, etc. But all is well now,as I kept the tms faith and kept plugging along.Depression has been a long on going problem for many years.I have found the best way out is to force yourself ahead by positive thinking (no matter how small the increments) Med's,therepy can help in a limited way but it is up to yourself to get well.Some times it is very hard and easy to give up and slide back,but only you can correct it.The same old story : life is what YOU make it. Paul. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 04/14/2007 : 12:10:35
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Hi Pault,
Thanks for the reply. Maybe someone on the board who is technical can figure out how to link your TMS interview to the board. I have a copy of the "Larry King/Dr. Sarno/Howard Stern/Howard Shapiro" segment, I purchased from CNN several years back and apparently is no longer available. When I get home from Paradise (Kauai), I will talk to a techy about how to do such stuff and let you know what's involved.
I recall when your interview came out, you were kind enough to make copies for others. I recall you also hosted a TMS picnic back in your neck of the woods that was a fun success.
Depression is a major bummer. I suffered a 'significant depression' about a year ago. I knew it was a TMS equivalent but that didn't help the free-fall.
A new insight from the Good Doctor's latest THE DIVIDED MIND is that TMS psychosomatic symptoms are a protective device and not a punishment as Freud theorized. Having been there, I can see the validity in that.
Depression is like a time-out when the burdens of carrying the woes of the planet on one's shoulders becomes too much, and our mindbodies opt out. I think the knowledge of depression being a TMS affective equivalent helped me get through it quicker, about six months.
I saw my Dad's therapist, who I had originaly taken my Dad to, for his "having taken to bed". The doc prescrbed me Lexies. When I got up to two, it made things worse, resulting in a 3:00 am vistit to the ER for an anxiety attack. I quit the Lexies and returned to exericising which I had entirely quit doing, and was the major contributor to my depression.
Bottom line, life is good again and it's amazing how fast we can turn our brains around. I find that knowing my Jeep is ready to go anywhere helps keep me cheerful. Jeeps are a great depression fighter. They are one of those vehicles, like Mini's, that infants in strollers inately smile at seeing. My 84 year old father points out Mini's every time he sees one, I'm thinking about getting him one if he returns to driving.
Cheers,
tt
some of my favorite excerpts from 'TDM' : http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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carbar
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Posted - 04/14/2007 : 22:51:03
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Depression is like a time-out when the burdens of carrying the woes of the planet on one's shoulders becomes too much, and our mindbodies opt out. I think the knowledge of depression being a TMS affective equivalent helped me get through it quicker, about six months.
I don't mean to co-opt your Hi Paul thread, but I was just re-reading The Drama of the Gifted Child (Alice Miller), which a few folks here have recommended, and there are some insightful quotes about depression:
"Depression consists of a denial of one's own emotional reactions. This denial begins in the service of an absolutely essential adaptation during childhood and indicates a very early injury. There are many children who have not been free, right from the beginning, to experience the very simplest of feelings, such as discontent, anger, rage, pain, even hunger -- and of course, enjoyment of their own bodies." p. 40
"Everyone probably knows about depressive moods from personal experience since they may be expressed as well as hidden by psychosomatic suffering. It is easy to notice, if we pay attention, that they hit almost with regularity -- whenever we supress an impulse or an unwanted emotion. Then, suddenly, a depressive mood will stifle all spontaneity. If an adult, for example, cannot experience grief when he loses somedbody dear to him but tries to distract himself from his sadness, or if he suppresses and hides from himself his indignation over an idealized friend's behavior out of fear of losing his friendship, he must reckon with the probability of depression..." p. 56-7
"Once we have experienced a few times that the breakthrough of intense early-childhood feelings (characterized by the specific quality of noncomprehension) can relieve a long period of depression, this experience will bring about a gradual change in our way of approaching "undesired" feelings -- painful feelings, above all. We discover that we are no longer compelled to follow the former pattern of disappointment, supression of pain, and depression, since we now have another possibility of dealing with disappointment: namely, experiencing the pain." p. 57
"The true opposite of depression is neither gaiety nor absense of pain, but vitality -- the freedom to experience spontaneous feelings." p.60
I think there might be a difference in the mind's use of long-term and short-term depression. Or maybe it is that "long-term depression" is the habitual TMS response, a sort of feedback loop that results in the reoccurance of the same depressive response.
Through Sarno and psychotherapy, I've been shocked to see how much of my life has been spent in depression, particularly if you define it as "denial of one's emotional reactions" or the "opposite of...vitality." I find myself wondering if I've ever known my authentic, vital self and that sure makes me sad and angry and afraid. Paul, any insight into dealing with this in the long term?
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Penny
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Posted - 04/14/2007 : 23:42:04
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"The true opposite of depression is neither gaiety nor absense of pain, but vitality -- the freedom to experience spontaneous feelings." p.60
WOW!!!!!! That's amazing quote. I feel the same as you Carbar ... like I've not been allowed to experience let alone SHOW my true feelings, especially negative emotions. My mother used to tell me I could be sad for five minutes, watch the clock ... then when it's over, shake it off and move on. We don't have time to feel sorry for ourselves all day. Holy SHMOLY!!! No wonder ... I've written about this last year in other threads, but until this past year I never allowed myself to feel boredom, aggression, hatred, anger, jealousy, and I'm sure other emotions that define human nature. Gosh, how could I be 36 and not have these emotions in my emotional vocab?
Thanks for all those quotes. I have that book and need to get into it again.
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carbar
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Posted - 04/15/2007 : 23:16:36
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Originally posted by Penny
"The true opposite of depression is neither gaiety nor absense of pain, but vitality -- the freedom to experience spontaneous feelings." p.60
WOW!!!!!! That's amazing quote. I feel the same as you Carbar ... like I've not been allowed to experience let alone SHOW my true feelings, especially negative emotions. My mother used to tell me I could be sad for five minutes, watch the clock ... then when it's over, shake it off and move on. We don't have time to feel sorry for ourselves all day. Holy SHMOLY!!! No wonder ... I've written about this last year in other threads, but until this past year I never allowed myself to feel boredom, aggression, hatred, anger, jealousy, and I'm sure other emotions that define human nature. Gosh, how could I be 36 and not have these emotions in my emotional vocab?
Thanks for all those quotes. I have that book and need to get into it again.
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This books been really talking to me the past week or two. I appreciate your input, too! I was always the mature, responsible and reliable one, so I never had to bother with any of those "childish" emotions. I never even consciously thought I felt boredem until after I started uncovering this TMS stuff. Turns out I'd been bored silly my whole childhood without any knowledge that I could define it this way! thanks for the reminder... |
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Hi Pault !
