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optimism
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 Posted - 06/30/2006 : 11:25:20
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Hi Indy and all others,
I've been reading your posts for some time and find what you are saying makes most sense to me. I like your approach that you have to have mental, emotional, physical and spiritual needs met in order to live the healthy life with no pain (hopefully I understood it correctly). I agree with that.
At the same time, I am not sure if that approach can lead to perfectionism (trying to have all needs met). As for Dr.Sarno, I agree that we have to reprogram our brain to think psychologically, but do not agree that is enough. That is why we have the whole board of people who are coming back with the reoccurring pain (which wasn’t resolved at its core in the first place). I also read some people are shutting their brains off and yelling at them and they say that works for them. My opinion is that is like telling your child to shut up and think that you resolved the problem – which you haven’t, it comes back soon.
As for me, I am still on the TMS journey, but not recovered yet fully.
My question is, how do you get mental, emotional, physical and spiritual needs met? What do you do? After I analyzed my past and it made sense, I am not sure what to do to get over it, to recover from it. For example, I feel insecure when meet new people and always feel stiff and don't talk much. I start worrying what I say is not smart enough, what people think how I look like etc. So, I know the physiological part of it, can feel the emotions, but not sure what steps to take to overcome that.
The same for other needs - mental, emotional, physical and spiritual needs.
What are the steps you do to get these needs met and also how to overcome the insecurities etc?
Thanks
Optimism
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Indy
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Posted - 06/30/2006 : 19:23:23
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Hi Optimism
Thanks for responding to my post. I didn't mean "trying to have all needs met to be healthy". That indeed would be the perfectionism you mentioned. I was referring to the "approach" one needs to take to restore balance within the body regardless of the dis-ease. For example, to look at healing pain from only a physical point of view would not be seeing the whole picture, just as you would not look at a scupture from the front only. You would look at it from all sides.
My health history is rich with experience. Several years ago, I had so much pain in my body that I couldn't work and my doctor recommended Predisone; I was diagnosed with Lupus; I've taken antidepressants because my doctors told me it was all in my head; I had major surgery to remove tumors, I could go on and on. My process of recovering my health has brought me to a place of compassion and understanding of what others are going through. I have worked very hard for years to bring my health back and am still working at it. There is NO QUICK CURE and NO MAGIC CURE. It's a holistic lifestyle change using a holistic approach.
I'm telling you all this because I want you to know that there are answers for everyone. You weren't born the way you are feeling now, so something is askew. Maybe it's physical; maybe it's mental and emotional; maybe it's energetic. Maybe it's all three.
If this helps you, here are the significant factors that have helped me on my holistic health recovery journey:
* I prayed for healing all the way along and trusted that my prayers were being heard, and I really listened for the response
* Detoxification - Bowel cleansing programs, colonics, liver cleansing, parasite and yeast cleanses (a huge problem for most people and they have no idea)
* Dietary changes - lots of testing, counseling, and reading to see what was right for me, then sticking to it.
* Physical therapies - tried them all, but massage and chiropractic
helped me the most
* Intuitive healers - balanced my energy fields and gave me insights into where I was blocked and why
* Journaling, especially with undominant hand - incredible insights into health, career choices, relationships, emotional blocks. I've written 20 large journal books in 6 years. I found Kathleen Adams' book "Journal to the Self" the most insightful for healing.
* Psychotherapy - went through 4 therapists until I found the one that I know could "get in there" and give me the tools for understanding myself, changing my life, and helping me see the connection of my mind and emotions to my physical pain. I'm still seeing her and have been for 6 years.
You never get all your physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual needs met. Most of us do not want to do the work that is involved in being truly well. It's difficult work; it takes strength, courage, and conviction, not to mention time, energy, and money. Dare I say that complaining and reaching out to others for answers seems to be an easier route for most.
You referred to "overcoming insecurities". Insecurities are based on fear; fear results from lack of understanding, and in the case of personal behavior, it is lack of self-understanding. Journaling is the best way I know to self-discovery and self-understanding.
Another long post. Hope I have answered your queries.
Many blessinga
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optimism
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Posted - 07/01/2006 : 20:46:37
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Indy,
Thank you for your detailed reply, it is of great help.
Since you are someone who went through all this and have great understanding how body/mind work would you mind telling me more regarding the energy fields, their connection to mind (I know that not experienced emotions are stuck in the body), how to overcome the blocks? How to improve the self-esteem, resolve core issues etc?
I have a preaty good insight what is going on in my life and what I went through, had a chance to experience some of the emotions which decreased my pain (not gone yet). I've been journaling for the last few months and it helped me a lot, although there is lot more work to do. So, now I feel stuck with my original issues (self-esteem, shame, distorted thinking) and need to work on that, don't know where to start? Any sugestions, books that you can recomend or anyone else?
Thank you
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Indy
Canada
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Posted - 07/02/2006 : 22:15:56
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Hi again Optimism
Your questions are huge. There is no quick cure or one single book to improve self esteem, for example.
I have these suggestions for you, and others:
1. Continue journaling if that has been helping you ("Journal to the Self" by Kathleen Adams - excellent)
2. Remember that your thoughts create your reality, so the more you obsess about your physical problems (I hope others are reading this), the more negative energy you give to your body. Follow Sarno's thinking on that. The energy you give out is the energy you get back ("Law of Attraction" by Michael Losier)
3. Find yourself a holistic psychotherapist that can help you with your issues. My experience is that you can't do it alone.
4. Check out "Dark Side of the Light Chasers" by Debbie Ford
What do ya know - a short post.
Many blessings
Indy
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optimism
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Posted - 07/04/2006 : 13:06:46
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Thanks Indy, I ordered "Journal to the Self" by Kathleen Adams.
More I work on myself, more issues I uncover. I think I am at a point where I have to make some changes in my life. For the last few months of journaling I realized my patterns of behaving, low self-esteem, shame etc. So, now I just write about the same staff every day and that frustrates me, although it helped me for my TMS a lot. But now I want to do the changes on myself, on my thinking, self-esteem etc. And seem to be confused where to start from. I ordered a couple books on self-esteem and will start from there. I am too unpatient to make the changes, I want everything to be done NOW. So, the long journey is in front of me....
Thanks
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Indy
Canada
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Posted - 07/05/2006 : 11:01:43
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Hi Optimism
You sound as though you are already on a healing path. My experience with healing grief, shame, etc., is that you can't do it alone, especially if you are "uncovering" more issues as you go along. Find yourself a holistic psychotherapist who resonates with you and can give you the tools to turn your life around, and work from there. Glad I could be of help.
Many blessings
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optimism
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Posted - 07/05/2006 : 11:56:38
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Hi Indy,
What do you look for in holistic psychotherapist? Where to find them, I don't have the idea. How often do you need to see them?
Would it help if I start working on the self-esteem issues by myself, one by one. Take a book and do the exercises? I've been reading self-help books for the last 10 years and I am quite familiar with the theory. Not worked much on changing my believes though L. Would you think I will be able to do that by myself?
Thanks
Optimism
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Indy
Canada
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Posted - 07/05/2006 : 15:40:15
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Hi Optimism
To find a holistic psychotherapist, check with your local health food shops/vitamin stores, check the directory in alternative health magazines and wellness directories, naturopathic physicians' offices, and ask around. You may be surprised how many people have a therapist who they're working with.
There's no quick way of recovering from childhood issues and no one way. But every step you take is a step towards confidence, freedom, wholeness, and a pain-free existence. I already described the factors which helped me in a previous post which involved a holistic approach - working on the mental and emotional, physical, and spiritual. You can't do everything all at once; it's taken me years to "peel away the layers" of protection and resistance that we all feel. Here it is again:
* I prayed for healing all the way along and trusted that my prayers were being heard, and I really listened for the response
* Detoxification - Bowel cleansing programs, colonics, liver cleansing, parasite and yeast cleanses (a huge problem for most people and they have no idea)
* Dietary changes - lots of testing, counseling, and reading to see what was right for me, then sticking to it.
* Physical therapies - tried them all, but massage and chiropractic helped the most
* Intuitive healers - balanced my energy fields and gave me insights into where I was blocked and why
* Journaling with undominant hand - incredible insights into health, career choices, relationships, emotional blocks. I've written 20 large journal books in 6 years. I found Kathleen Adams' book "Journal to the Self" the most insightful for healing.
* Psychotherapy - went through 4 therapists until I found the one that I know could "get in there" and give me the tools for understanding myself, changing my life, and helping me see the connection of my mind and emotions to my physical pain. Still seeing her and have been for 6 years.
It may be better if you emailed me if you have further questions instead of discussing your situation on a forum.
Many blessings
Indy
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optimism
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Posted - 07/06/2006 : 19:06:29
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| Indy, I sent you an e-mail this morning? Did you get it? |
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For Indy and others - what is your opinion??
