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tennis tom
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 Posted - 06/16/2006 : 21:11:58
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hi wrldtrv,
actually, I'm jewish and a life-long registered democrat, and I could easily live a very full-filling yuppie life in sf, if all i wanted to do was eat gourmette food and attend art gallery openings. i feel compassion for the victims of crime and not criminals. i feel compassion for all the mentally ill homeless wandering around the steets deranged in EVERY neighborhood of this town--while the poverty-pimps and programmers get 250 million dollars a year for doing who know what to help them? if this town is so enlightened then why is there not a single doctor or therapist practicing TMS medicine here in this vortex of new-age kulture? |
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 21:28:24
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I gave this post a break for a day or so since I didn't think I could sway Tennis Tom on Dr. Weil any longer. Wow. I don't even know where to begin. The NYT a fishwrapper, are you kidding? How do you live w/such a rigid structure and negative outlook? You seem to only see parts of the picture and form unyielding opinions based on your limited outlook. I say "limited" b/c, as individuals we all see things somewhat narrowly. Its human nature. That's why we read and have discourse w/others. What are you desparately clinging to? Why so extreme? It can't give you anything but strife.
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tennis tom
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Posted - 06/17/2006 : 02:34:29
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from wikipedia:
"Jayson Blair (2003)
In ear;ly May 2003, New York Times reporter Jayson Blair resigned after being confronted with evidence of fabricating quotes and details in at least 36 articles. On June 5, 2003, Times executive editor Howell Raines and managing editor Gerald Boyd resigned as a result of this scandal."
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art
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Posted - 06/17/2006 : 06:54:10
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hi art,
isn't your tms unconscious really saying, that you hope i DO get some really painful illness and i won't get the medication i need
I don't write what I don't mean. I'd call this simple projection..In other words it's how you'd feel if the tables were reversed....
I have a brother who suffers from delusional disorder and paranoid personality disorder. I've learned in my dealings with him that you simply can't reason with people who don't want to be reasoned with. These things are all a matter of degree. You wouldn't be diagnosed with delusional disorder, but you do "reason" very much as he does by fixating on one small item (in your case the NYT's) and ignoring everything else...
It might have done you some good to challenge your own ideas, but it's too frightening for you...
Writes José Ortega y Gasset: "The individual suspects this (that life is a chaos in which one is lost), but he is frightened at finding himself face to face with this terrible reality, and tries to cover it over with a curtain of fantasy, where everything is clear. It does not worry him that his 'ideas' are not true, he uses them as trenches for the defense of his existence, as scarecrows to frighten away reality."
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 06/17/2006 : 09:15:34
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Good Morning Art,
Dave must be on vacation, so i guess we can continue with this revelry. i'm certainly not hurrying off to church, so while the water boils for the coffee in the micro and the Pop-Tart slowly browns in the toaster oven, i'll warm-up my digits on the dell.
i have nothing but good things to say about dell's warranty service. so far i've gotten a new keyboard, a mother board, and the little tab that locks the laptop. the parts comes in the mail and the very next day the nice technician comes and rapidly puts the parts in. its truly a marvel to watch how dexterously he unscrews and then re-screws those tiny little screws. i think i'm getting warmed-up now.
Art, can I remind you that even simpleminded paranoids like me, can be right on occassion, and i have not only fixated on the nyt's,(remember jayson blair), but also on andy weil, (the fire-walking pot-head).
i think, i very well could be diagnosed with delusional disorder and if i can't find a shrink who will dx me as delusinal, then, i damn well will dx myself with it. at least i will get a brief respite from all this reality crap.
you've trumped me with that joe oy gasket fellow though, did he pal around with sartre or something? i'll have to look him up in my library of cliff's notes and classic comix that i keep handy for fact checking in my hollywood headboard.
as for my delusional view of life, i quote that famous philosopher a.e neuman: "i invoke my constitutional right, to believe the lies that i choose to believe."
in my very active fantasy life, i have a big crush on tammy bruce. i would be way too paranoid, to admit to the world, that my real crush is on that gorgeous long legged blond ann coulter. she has certainly stretched the boundaries of the first amendment lately and i would really be fearful of guilt by association--besides it's time for a brunette in my life, the blondes have been giving me way too much tms.
all this paranoid fantasizing is making me hungry, so i will pop a few freeze dried psilocybe weilii. they always help me fixate better on the fuzzy round ball. by the way i was exploring the good doc's site (a.w's, that is), and he has some new tennis strings made of hemp, guaranteed to impart greater spin to the ball (but hopefully not cozmic paranoia).
see ya' in the p.m.
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art
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Posted - 06/17/2006 : 11:24:36
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Well, you're not without a certain charm, I'll hand you that. Who knows? Maybe you even believe this "marijuana is the root of all urban evil" stuff less than you appear to, but backed yourself into a corner..
I'm not sure why Dave would object to this discussion, though my impression is you've been on the board longer than I, so perhaps you're right.
In any case, I seem to have the need for a good, healthy eruption every few months. For the time being, I've gotten it out of my system...
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tennis tom
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Posted - 06/18/2006 : 09:25:43
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Mornin' Art,
I'm out of my corner after a good night's sleep. Glad I could help you with your TMS catharsis; the bill's in the mail.
I absolutely do believe that illegal drug use is the root of almost all evil. Marijauana is the entry level drug. 12 and 13 year olds smoke pot like we used to sneak cigs. But, pot is much worse because it effects the mind. You could smoke a cig and take your SAT's but try doing that smoking a joint.
For tennagers, pot is a lot easier to get than cigs. This is due to the recent demonization of tobacco. It's cost has soared due to to usurus taxes and greedy state litigation. No doubt, the price of a reefer and a Camel, will soon be in parity.
Remember the rumors about the big tobaccco companies registering names like Acapulco Gold for future use. Maybe the future is now. It's a lot easier to grow pot than cultivate tobacco. It is a weed after all.
Teens can grow it themselves or jump over their neighbor's fence and steal it--kind of hard to report the theft of your pot to the cops. I really feel sorry for tobacco farmers. It's an un-even playing field, (ask Al Gore, he toiled in his family's tobacco fields, while simultaneously inventing the internet).
Tobacco is exorbitantly taxed and even the tobacco manufacturers run ads demeaning it--while the virtures of hemp are extolled and drug dealers pay no taxes--better deal than owning your own church.
Actually, nicotine is a great natural relaxant. The American Indians understood its curative properties--remember the peace-pipe? At least you know what goes into the manufacturing of your Marlboros. G_d only knows what pot is fertilized and laced with--I've been on some strange trips in my day--probably explains my strange views.
I never said that pot was the cause of only urban decay. It is pervasive in the suburbs and rural areas as well; wherever the US Mail distributes the dole checks to.
As far as, an over-view, of this "tangental-to-TMS" pissing match, we have been having, under the apt subject of "...Quackwatch". It has gotten far more reads than any other topic of late. Proof that we'll do almost anything to distract us from doing our TMS work.
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wrldtrv
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Posted - 06/18/2006 : 12:03:41
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TT--I have a hard time buying your claim that you are a "lifelong registered democrat." Your comments, across the board, read like the typical right-wing talk host. Nothing wrong with that as long as you don't claim to be what you're not.
You defend cigarettes, yet they kill hundreds of thousands a year. You say, "at least we know what goes into the manufacture of marlboros." Do we? Cigarette smoke contains over 4000 different chemicals. There was a great movie (can't recall name) a few yrs ago based on cig co's lying about what they put in their product (substances to increase addictive power).
Your Al Gore comment with its tired repetition of that ignorant line about Gore supposedly saying he invented the internet proves you are not a Dem. Who did you vote for in the 04 and 00 elections? Again, you can be whatever you want to be, but don't pose as a Dem to give you more credibility when you denounce drugs, welfare (your comment on the dole checks), the supposed wickedness and decline of San Francisco...
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art
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Posted - 06/18/2006 : 18:33:30
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Wrld, I agree with you 100 percent, but I only get angry about the drug stuff...So foolish, so ignorant.
I sometimes feel deeply sad for our country, and I'm 1000 percent serious...Tennis Tom has no idea of how much damage his views are responsible for, but the truly sad thing is that even if he did, he wouldn't change his mind...
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 06/18/2006 : 18:42:13
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wrldtrv,
Honest to G-d I am a life-long registerd democrat. Of course I voted for Bush. I hate to tell you this, but this is America and you are not REQUIRED to vote for the party you are registered to--no matter what Howard Dean, Marin Sheen and Barbara Streisand say.
I don't get my politcal views by watching Hollywood movies. They are produced to sell popcorn. It's amazing that people go to movies and think that they are real. Hitler had great German film makers produce propagranda movies for him. They were beautifully photographed.
I haven't done any name calling. It's amazing that if one expresses an opinion that conflicts with another's political beliefs they are deomonized and name called. "I'll give you freedom of speech as long as you agree with me."
I have backed up all my opinions with citations from the news, internet or my own personal experiences. The other side throws movies at me--pass the popcorn, lightly buttered please. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 06/18/2006 : 20:55:25
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OK Art,
I'll bite, tell me what damage my views have caused? Then tell me how your views have saved the world.
Regards,
The Simpleminded, Foolish, Ignorant, Right-Wing Talk Show Host, Projector, Desparate Clinger, Fixated, Frightened, Rigidly Structured, Negative, Nightmare Living, Perversely Prideful, Charmer |
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Plantweed
USA
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Posted - 06/19/2006 : 06:17:57
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Originally posted by tennis tom
Placebo effect, pure and simple.
Ridiculous. You really believe the "munchies" effect pot causes is a placebo? It helps very sick, nauseous people eat. |
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tennis tom
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Posted - 06/19/2006 : 09:14:33
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Hi plantweed,
I really don't feel that anyone with the name "plant_weed" can be objective on this subject.
For a well researched article about the deleterious effects of pot based on the latest research go to:
http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html
Regards,
The Rediculous, Simpleminded, Foolish, Ignorant, Right-Wing Talk Show Host, Projector, Desparate Clinger, Fixated, Frightened, Rigidly Structured, Negative, Nightmare Living, Perversely Prideful, Charmer |
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Fox
USA
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Posted - 06/19/2006 : 11:55:46
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| I'm really enjoying these posts. Great fun. A lot of good points made by both sides. Tennis Tom - you really know how to push folks' buttons. I know you're enjoying this. Me too.....And yes, how can Plantweed be objective on the M issue? I'm still laughing. |
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Fox
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Posted - 06/19/2006 : 12:03:43
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| Oh! But I should say that I definitely do support legalized MJ for folks with certain chronic illnesses (like cancer) so I actually agree with Plantweed here. |
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Plantweed
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Posted - 06/19/2006 : 13:52:21
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Originally posted by tennis tom
I really don't feel that anyone with the name "plant_weed" can be objective on this subject.
Well, you don't know how I got my nickname; I don't smoke grass. So much for lame attempts at wit.
The Institute of Medicine's 1999 report on medical marijuana stated, "The accumulated data indicate a potential therapeutic value for cannabinoid drugs, particularly for symptoms such as pain relief, control of nausea and vomiting, and appetite stimulation."
-- Source: Janet E. Joy, Stanley J. Watson, Jr., and John A Benson, Jr., "Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base," Division of Neuroscience and Behavioral Research, Institute of Medicine (Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1999). |
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tennis tom
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Posted - 06/19/2006 : 15:38:29
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Hi Plant_weed,
If you can't see the connection between your monicker and pot than I'm afraid you, are the one with the lame sense of humor. I'd be like you asking me about tennis and me saying, "I don't play tennis, where in the world would you get a crazy notion like that?"
I have smoked grass, as well as sold it, so my info is first hand. You admit you don't smoke it so what makes you such as expert on the subject?
I'm afraid your "scientific" evidence is dated and has been trumped by the most recent NIH findings--that there is NO scientific evidence for any medicinal value for canabis.
I'm not surprised the results of this landmark study are not widely known, the NYT probably buried it with the obits. Lately, many long awaited studies have come out discounting any therapeutic value for accupunncture, glucoseamine-chrondroitin and St. John's Wort. I have tried them all and despite some placebo effect upon first try--USELESS except for emptying the wallet and small talk at cocktail parties and in the hot-tub.
Did you bother to read the link I posted? Probably not. Here it is again for your edification: (Warning: don't read, if you don't want your cherished views to be challenged.)
http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html
As far as using pot, If you've been given a terminal DX, you are entitled to try everything under the sun. I have no problem with that. The problem is that the snake oil salesman pray on the desperaton of such people. An acquaintance told me about a Philipino healer that could perform miracles for $25--I had half a thought to try it when I was in my acute state. What ever works.
Sarno writes about a doctor with back problems who went deep into the jungle and sought out a witch-doctor who did an all night voo-doo ceremony culminated by cutting the head off a chicken--the doctor was cured.
Why don't you tell us about how you got your name Plant_weed? It sounds like it may be a good story.
Regards,
The Lame Witted, Rediculous, Simpleminded, Foolish, Ignorant, Right-Wing Talk Show Host, Projector, Desparate Clinger, Fixated, Frightened, Rigidly Structured, Negative, Nightmare Living, Perversely Prideful, Charmer |
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wrldtrv
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Posted - 06/20/2006 : 00:30:06
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TT--Clever way of side-stepping my claim that cigarettes are far more harmful than marijuana. Instead of debating THAT claim you attacked my comment in passing about a related movie I once saw (straw man fallacy) which, as you well knew, was only an aside, not part of my argument.
Anyway, it's not important. It's pretty clear to me, at least, that you are in your own little black and white world and are not to be budged. So be it. |
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Plantweed
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Posted - 06/20/2006 : 05:45:55
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OK, this is getting ponderous, so it'll be the last time I humor the chip on your shoulder...
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I have smoked grass, as well as sold it, so my info is first hand. You admit you don't smoke it so what makes you such as expert on the subject?
I said I don't, didn't say I never. By your pedantic logic, since I never had cancer or AIDS, I shouldn't write about those either. Okee dokey.
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I'm afraid your "scientific" evidence is dated and has been trumped by the most recent NIH findings--that there is NO scientific evidence for any medicinal value for canabis.
By putting "scientific" in quotes, I guess that means you're questioning the validity of my citation, y'know, the one from NIH, the very group you're trumpeting. But you're standing by their Drug Abuse division, which, by its very nature, will never write anything positive about an illegal drug. A strange gambit.
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Did you bother to read the link I posted? Probably not.
Of course I did. Why be so negative and assume I didn't? They had nothing positive to say and I didn't expect them to.
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Warning: don't read, if you don't want your cherished views to be challenged.)
I welcome a challenge, if it leads to truth. Do I detect some projection?
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The problem is that the snake oil salesman pray on the desperaton of such people.
What about the clubs that distribute it free?
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Why don't you tell us about how you got your name Plant_weed? It sounds like it may be a good story.
No thanks. I'd like to retain my anonymity. |
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art
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Posted - 06/20/2006 : 07:17:07
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TT--Clever way of side-stepping my claim that cigarettes are far more harmful than marijuana. Instead of debating THAT claim you attacked my comment in passing about a related movie I once saw (straw man fallacy) which, as you well knew, was only an aside, not part of my argument.
Anyway, it's not important. It's pretty clear to me, at least, that you are in your own little black and white world and are not to be budged. So be it.
This is precisely why I won't bother. I actually said the things I said not for TT's benefit, because I knew from the outset he wasn't susceptible to logic, but just to air my personal views. Makes me feel better to do this once in a while...
Basically, he just wants to bait the opposing side. Life is too short.
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