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FlyByNight
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 Posted - 03/24/2006 : 08:14:33
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Dave this message is for you.
In a previous post you told a person that it is counterproductive to expect results or a cure because the recovery from TMS is much more of a fundamental lifelong process about how we react to pain. I fully understand that the recovery key is the process itself but what do you mean by 'its not a cure' ? I am a little confused about your statement and I think that some people, like me, would benefit from a deeper explanation on that topic.
More general question:
Another aspect of recovery that is confusing to me is that some people are using 'angry outbursts' about their mind to fight TMS. From what i have learned about screaming and yelling, its just another way to repress anger...
Apart of 'acceptance and surrender' which is an obvious part of the TMS recovery process, what is the 'sane' way to FIGHT it that would not be a disguised mean to repress much more ?
thanx in advance
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 03/24/2006 : 10:51:02
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I prefer not to look at TMS as something that needs to be "cured."
I view TMS as a bad habit that we have developed that we need to break.
As with any habit, it is not always easy to break. It takes focus and time.
Of course we all hope to be "pain free" at some point. But if you have that in mind as your goal, or even worse, you set a timetable on it, then you are setting yourself up for frustration.
I believe it is best to take a long-term view, do the work, and slowly but surely the TMS will fade away. There will be ups and downs, some days you will still have pain, some days you may be nearly pain-free.
I compare TMS recovery to losing weight. You can try to go on a diet and lose the weight quickly, then assume you have reached the goal and go back to your old bad eating habits. Inevitably you will gain the weight back (maybe get heavier than before) and become discouraged that the "cure" didn't stick.
Or, you can make a decision to change the way you think about nutrtition. You can accept that to keep the weight off, you must make a life-long change in your eating habits. You can slowly change your habits and learn to eat a better diet. You will lose weight slowly but surely, and keep it off, becase you have made a fundamental change in your life. |
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Jena
USA
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Posted - 03/24/2006 : 11:11:49
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Fly,
I am one of Dr. Sarno patients. I recently went to a group meeting where a bunch of people sat in a room and spoke about there success stories.. I understand what Dave is saying BUT from Sarno's mouth to my ears he told me that being completely cured can happen and like dave said you should not put a time limit on it but if the pain comes back your not 100% cured yet but you can be. Sarno told me that knowledge actually makes tiny chemical exchanges in your brain and changes the chemical process and procedure in your brain where actual healing does occur. Deconditioning etc. I have been his patient since jan 23rd and have been 98% pain free. Im not cured yet only because i still feel the pain every few days but only for a few minutes and i can make it go away now. If you read my posts earlier i could not do that. Its a process but healing does occur and the pain does not have to come back. One of the speakers at his meeting was a neuroscientist with back pain for 20 years. Could not sit, stand for long... you know where im getting at. Anyway she hasnt had any pain since 3 weeks after seeing Sarno for the first time 20 years ago. People asked her not any pain at all not even one time in 20 years and she said NO. I know everyone can get to that point but some have to work harder at it. Healing has occured in her brain and body. She even stated i know the pain will never come back. You can control this tms monster and not just control it but banish it forever. |
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ssjs
USA
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Posted - 03/24/2006 : 12:21:28
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There is no question that I have been absolutly cured of TMS.
I did not accept and surrender.
I fought and won.
Dieting is completly different to me. Harder for me to control and I do not believe that for most people a weight problem can be cured.
But tms can, and to say it can't and that you are doomed to good days and bad days will stop the cure. You have to totally believe that there is nothing wrong with your back. Period
To say you are well, and believe it...that is the key.
It is not a process. It is a fact.
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Baseball65
USA
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Posted - 03/24/2006 : 12:25:53
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Yeah..
I have had close to zero pain for years...I'm cured.One uncomfortable week a year is negligible...and some years it doesn't come.I'm going on 8 years recovered.
I have had other new things try to sneak in,and I think that's where you have to view it as a process.
If I didn't think I could be 100% cured e.g. play sports,work,I probably would have passed.
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FlyByNight
Canada
209 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2006 : 12:28:22
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thanks all of you and particularly Dave for your very clear answers. I am sure it will help people like me .
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moose1
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Posted - 03/26/2006 : 10:34:50
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Originally posted by Dave
I compare TMS recovery to losing weight. You can try to go on a diet and lose the weight quickly, then assume you have reached the goal and go back to your old bad eating habits. Inevitably you will gain the weight back (maybe get heavier than before) and become discouraged that the "cure" didn't stick.
Or, you can make a decision to change the way you think about nutrtition. You can accept that to keep the weight off, you must make a life-long change in your eating habits. You can slowly change your habits and learn to eat a better diet. You will lose weight slowly but surely, and keep it off, becase you have made a fundamental change in your life.
This is possibly the best analogy I've ever heard for TMS, at least as it applies to me. I've found a certain strategy that works for me, but if I slack off, which I always do, the pain comes back, sometimes in a different form. I had to change the way I think about myself and how I contemplate the causes of my TMS. This is not easy and it's easy to take your eye off the ball. So in that sense, it is a life-long thing that you may have to re-visit occassionally. But once you see your own strategy in action, you come to realize that you are indeed on the right track.
Moose
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recovery is a process , not a cure ...
