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lavitsef
USA
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 Posted - 02/02/2006 : 14:25:58
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Been on Cymbalta for almost two weeks. Three years of leg muscle
pain and sciatica. Much improved .Leg muscles relax and expect continued improvement. Cymbalta new from Eli Lilly |
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Stryder
686 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2006 : 09:30:16
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Hi lavitsef,
Keep in mind that treating your pain with meds is contrary to TMS practices. If you truly have TMS then you are likely getting relief thru the placebo effect and your recovery will not last in the long run. If you don't have TMS then it would be best to post this kind of topic on some other forum.
Take care, -Stryder |
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 11:00:25
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| It could be the anti-depressant effects of Cymbalta that is actually causing reduction in symptoms, since Cymbalta is approved for treating pain only from diabetic peripheral neuropathy. |
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drziggles
USA
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 12:08:26
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Look, for better or worse some people require help with treating pain beyond TMS theory--that's the real world. Antidepressants such as Cymbalta and Effexor (or tricyclics such as nortriptyline) can be effective in "kick-starting" someone who is having diffuse pain ("fibromyalgia"), especially if there is concurrent depression, fatigue, and insomnia. Similarly, it can be helpful with other pain issues at times.
There have been heated discussions on the forum about this issue, particularly in CFS/Fibromyalgia, and most people with these have said that they needed additional treatment modalities besides just doing the usual TMS stuff. These meds are one additional approach. |
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dwinsor52
USA
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Posted - 02/05/2006 : 13:27:01
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My experience is that Cymbalta is a very good antidepressant but it is merely a placebo for pain relief. That isn't to sound discouraging - it's just that to really get rid of the pain you have to practice Sarno's techniques. They are far more successful and long-lasting than the first effects of Cymbalta when it comes to pain.
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lavitsef
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 09:10:25
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All I know is my quads and hamstring muscles were constanty tight and it hurt. I stretched, worked out, did meditation, nutrition and Sarno.
For 3 years
All helped a little. Cymbalta has relaxed the muscles thus the pain from constant tightness has lessened. I would stretch both and they would remain tight. Now I stretch and they stay loose for a long time.
Sarno has a big part of the answer but anyone who closes their mind to
medication "is nuts " |
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h2oskier25
USA
395 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2006 : 11:06:24
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I personally believe that this further serves to reinforce Sarno's accuracy.
Cymbalta is soothing the mind on some level, which is where the TMS initiates.
My symptoms were always better when I was feeling better mentally.
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JohnD
USA
371 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2006 : 19:41:30
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ucreger
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Posted - 02/07/2006 : 14:45:48
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John,
I was and still am very hesitant to post this, but this scenario I am about discuss has puzzled me. Hang in there for the long winded answer to your question.
When my daughter was born (3 years ago) my upper back went into spasm about 3 weeks after she was home. I was incapacitated for a week or 2 with reoccuring pain in the same location for about a year. The pain was noticible most when I was stressed, but not bad enough to where I couldn't function. At this point I had never heard of Dr Sarno's theory.
I went on my annual golf trip (with the guys)a year after her birth. My first day down there the pain in my back was pretty bad, couldn't golf too well. No doubt a bit of guilt from leaving my wife with a 1 and 3 yearold for a few days. Here's where the drinking comes in.
That night, actually started in the day. I drank, drank a lot. Much more than I had in years. Did all the things a responsible father and husband shouldn't do, went to strip clubs etc... got maybe an hour worth of sleep that night.
The next morning not only was the pain gone, but the tightness that was always present was gone too. That was it from that point on my upper back was free. I have pondered those circumstances and since reading Dr Sarno's books, I figure some repressed rage was released that night.
Apparently not enough though, about a year later I am on to my lower back. Have been making progress (without the binge). On really bad days I am tempted to board the plane and head to Myrtle Beach and recreate that fateful night. Then I think better of it.
Not sure this answered your question.
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Tunza
New Zealand
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Posted - 02/07/2006 : 15:50:34
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Isn't alcohol a nervous system depressant? Therefore it makes sense that it can dull pain. I've experienced this on numerous occasions. But I stopped medicating myself with it when I started drinking too often for comfort. The effect would wear off anyway and I would feel worse overall (not due to hangovers as I wasn't drinking large quantities - just too frequently).
For me it just wasn't worth it. The only time I overdo it now is when I have to fly on a plane (petrified).
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Stryder
686 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2006 : 19:22:58
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Originally posted by ucreger
...I was and still am very hesitant to post this, but this scenario I am about discuss has puzzled me....
I think you pretty much solved the puzzle on your own in your reply.
Any mind-altering drug is going to change your thinking, and in the case of alcohol, you have distracted TMS from being able to distract you (yea, I guess there is some justice after all ;-).
I don't think going on an occasional bender is going to release any rage that would help you in the long run. As you told us in your story, just doing something fun, exciting, and out-of-the-ordinary in an intense way will certainly give TMS a temporary run for its money.
I'm glad you posted your story and gave the initial disclamer. Everybody will be in agreement that the bottle is not a cure for TMS.
Take care, -Stryder |
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drziggles
USA
292 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2006 : 10:05:52
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In the case of ucreger, I think the alcohol wasn't working particularly as a pain-reliever or general relaxant. It seems as if his TMS trigger is the stress and responsibility of life as a father and husband. Having a real "guys night out" with booze & strippers was a way of rebelling against that responsibility, and therefore relieved the pain. For people with different stressors, alcohol may not make much of a difference.
If you haven't already, it seems as if focusing on the anger & resentment that being a good "family man" generates, as well as the guilt about those feelings, would be the way to go... Occasional harmless nights out with the guys aren't a bad idea either, maybe without too much heavy drinking...
Just my 0.02... |
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vikki
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Posted - 02/08/2006 : 10:37:38
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| I used to have a glass of wine with dinner on many nights. It was just one drink, but I still found that it relieved my pain significantly. But I stopped drinking because I was afraid alcohol would become a crutch for me. At one point (pre-Sarno), I tried neurontin (anti-seizure drug) and nortriptyline (sp? tricyclic antidepressant). I had to stop both because they messed up my sleep and turned me into a zombie. But I do know one of the theories about why these drugs work is that they are central nervous system depressants (just like alcohol). Once I discovered Sarno, this just helped confirm the TMS diagnosis -- the problem is in my central nervous system, not in any structural "defect." |
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Baseball65
USA
734 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2006 : 15:45:48
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Originally posted by lavitsef
Been on Cymbalta for almost two weeks. Three years of leg muscle
pain and sciatica. Much improved .Leg muscles relax and expect continued improvement. Cymbalta new from Eli Lilly
...Dr. Sarno himself says in HBP that if he found a medication that could re-oxygenate and stop the pain he wouldn't administer it because it would be symptomatic medicine
Cymbalta to a TMS patient = placebo
Funny...they make new drugs now and THAN try to find what they might be of use for..here's a quote from satan..uh...I mean eli lilly's website:
"Cymbalta (an SSNRI) targets two chemicals, serotonin and norepinephrine, that are believed to play a role in how the brain and body affect mood and pain."
THAT ARE BELIEVED ??????
They are throwing darts in the dark...How freaking irresponsible are these guys gonna' get???
As far as the Alcoholic Bender,it wasn't the Alcohol...it was the "fCK THE RESPONSIBILE GUY VENEER....i'M PARTYING AND GOING TO THE TITTY BAR WITH MY bRO'S !!!!! "
TMS is hidden in 'wonderful' things like marriage,children,careers and family.A promotion,a family reunion, a friend stopping by....all triggers,because we repress,repress,repress...the more normal we have to act in the situation,the more urgent the need to repress.
Nothing ever gets' rid of ALL my little symptoms quicker than telling the My Beautiful,sweet,perfect wife of 14 years to FK off !!!!
It's amazing how well I am
We both make good money,but rent. She wants a home. I want to pay off our bills and coast...really.I have never,ever put material goods before FUN until I was married and had kids...than I became 'super-adult-responsible-guy'
10K in the Bank,780 FICA score,60K a year and Zero credit debt...oh yeah....and my back was F-ing killing me
I have made it clear to my wife that Buying a house isn't a priority of mine right now....she's not liking me a whole lot....especially when I play guitar for 3 hours and drink after work,or go Skateboarding for 4 hours or play baseball all day.....
I have finally come to wits end in trying to make her happy.She married a Musician who made 500 bucks a month,and owned No furniture.I am now a company credit card holding ,respected working autonomous employee,a faithful husband and a Father who spends a LOT of time with his sons....
That's it...
You can't keep bending a tree..it eventually breaks.
I was alive once,I swear....never mind the ring.
That bender was the key to your success...you might not need to be as Punk Rock as I can get about it,but cut and dried....THereIN lies the truth...and the truth will set you free.
-superniceguysonofabeeotch
Oh yeah....YEARS of recovery from TMS.
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Calvin
USA
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Posted - 02/08/2006 : 17:53:57
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.How freaking irresponsible are these guys gonna' get???
Eli Lilly made up PMDD so they could repackage Prozac in a different color, since they were going to lose the patent on it. |
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gevorgyan
115 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2006 : 00:24:47
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hi baseball,
nice to see you, I am still waiting for your mail, that you have promised to send me.
Monika |
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h2oskier25
USA
395 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2006 : 09:39:02
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Baseball,
I wholeheartedly agree that the pharmaceutical giants have become evil and nefarious bullies in the modern world. Don't get me started.
The "found a drug, now let's invent a symptom" technique is rampant.
Beth |
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ucreger
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Posted - 02/10/2006 : 13:39:24
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Thanks Dr., Stryder and Baseball for your posts.. as crazy as it sounds baseball you hit the nail on the head. The big difference between you and I are that it's me not the wife who's got me on the straight and narrow.
Believe me I like the person I have become, but do miss those days of mismatched furniture, lousy paychecks, and playing 36 holes on the weekend (instead of cutting the grass).
I am certain the answer does lie in the realization that the conflict of responsible family guy vs frat guy is causing my pain. I just don't think acting on all those urges to go nuts would be all that good for my family or my back in the long run. It is just hard to accept that something so good as a family who loves and relies on you, can cause this much pain. I wouldn't go back to the person I was if I had to give it all up.
If the realization is the cure then I am on the road to recovery.
Thanks again.
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