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la_kevin
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 Posted - 10/27/2007 : 01:58:29
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I've wondered about the female connection to Fibro. I was diagnosed with severe TMS (like Fibro) and I too wonder why Dr. Sarno doesn't address the fact that it , and many other muscle disorders have mostly female sufferers. There are also male dominated disorders in the reverse. It doesn't seem logical that TMS would favor a gender, would it?
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lidge
USA
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Posted - 10/27/2007 : 09:56:15
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My guess from reading Sarno is that he would say that females get it because it is socially acceptable for women to get it and therefore it manifests and is labeled fibro. I would imagine it would be similar to how he thinks no one gets ulcers much anymore because its not "in fashion". I think he would also say that men aren't diagnosed with Fibro because it is not as "socially acceptable" for them.
I struggle with this question too as despite a lifetime of repressed "everything" I did not get this horrific pain until perimenopause. I have dabbled with the hormones but haven't gotten it right. I know studies have been done where men were injected with estrogen and actually FELT pain more. I had throughout my adulthood fibro symptoms where I had full body pain a day here and there which I attributed to fibro - but it did not disable me as my current pain.
My guess too is that Sarno would repudiate the whole notion of "perimenopause" as it is a fairly recent term used to describe the hormonal ups and downs preceding actual menopause. Maybe he would just acknowledge it as a trigger for TMS. While he might say it is repressed anger at aging, he may not fully understand the physical upheavals that beset many women- that in itself is anxiety producing and must play into this.
I think for me hormonal stuff turned my attention to the physical and then it "took off".
So maybe it was a trigger for TMS.
I'd love to know if anyone has actually asked these questions to Sarno himself. Also wonder if anyone has attributed symptoms to hormones and overcome their pain COMPLETELY through TMS. |
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corky21
USA
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Posted - 10/27/2007 : 10:42:59
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| I just started reading about Dr. Sarno and TMS and I am now on his third book, The Divided Mind. I, too, just recently asked myself it the peri/meno symptoms are a result of TMS. I was also wondering if he was presented with these symptoms. I have to say though, since I've been studying his books, I have felt better. But it could just be my hormones are behaving lately?? |
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vikki
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Posted - 10/27/2007 : 14:15:40
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Originally posted by lidge
My guess from reading Sarno is that he would say that females get it because it is socially acceptable for women to get it and therefore it manifests and is labeled fibro. I would imagine it would be similar to how he thinks no one gets ulcers much anymore because its not "in fashion". I think he would also say that men aren't diagnosed with Fibro because it is not as "socially acceptable" for them.
I agree. I had a couple of doctors tell me I probably had fibro. Would they have said that if I were male? Probably not. I've talked to men with similar symptoms, and no doctor raised fibro as a possibility for them. I figure I must have fit the profile as a woman with pain in multiple areas. |
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lidge
USA
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Posted - 10/27/2007 : 15:02:29
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What is interesting about fibromyalgia, is that for years, it was never taken seriously. Then in the 1980s, it became an accepted diagnosis with no good remedy. Now, they are pushing a drug called Lyrica for it. So, all of sudden, TV is plastered with ads of crying women with the voice over saying that Fibro is real. Of course, now that money can be made by the drug companies, fibro is suddenly real!
It seems the creation of a pill to cure it suddenly "legitimized" fibro as an illness. I think Sarno is on the money with that, though still baffled as to whether Fibro is a distinct physical illness or just Mega-TMS as he states.
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cfhunter
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Posted - 10/28/2007 : 19:19:27
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Christiane Northrup (not sure if anyone already mentioned this)....very interesting info about childish needs and perimenopause and all these symptoms you mention.
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HilaryN
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/29/2007 : 14:44:07
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Have any women here been able to reconcile TMS with the hormonal mess to their own satisfaction? Do you think it is all TMS at heart?
YES! One of my first TMS successes was elimination of headaches which I got before or during my period. Previously I had taken Evening Primrose supplements to stop them. (See my story in my profile.)
I strongly believe that the body should be able to balance itself out, hormones included. I think that the resources needed by the body to keep emotions from our conscious can take away from the resources it needs to keep the body in balance.
Why do some women get problems and others not?
I think if you believe you're going to get problems (or even hear of the possibility of doing so) then you're likely to get them.
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JohnD
USA
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Posted - 10/29/2007 : 15:02:35
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Lidge,
Good point about the money and the creating of the pill....its almost unbelievable! Makes me so mad! |
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Scottydog
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/29/2007 : 16:16:13
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I too wonder why Dr. Sarno doesn't address the fact that it , and many other muscle disorders have mostly female sufferers
Being generally recognised as the "caring" members of society puts women at a disadvantage as far as TMS is concerned. Running the home (ie doing alot of mindless thankless repetitive work), helping out elderly relatives (need I say more), being the main child carer (can be very demanding in many ways) all can contribute.
That's not to say men don't have many pressures but I think the pressures can be exacerbated as women try to fulfill roles they feel are expected of them by society. |
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Wodg
Australia
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Posted - 11/18/2011 : 10:56:31
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Originally posted by Scottydog
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I too wonder why Dr. Sarno doesn't address the fact that it , and many other muscle disorders have mostly female sufferers
Being generally recognised as the "caring" members of society puts women at a disadvantage as far as TMS is concerned. Running the home (ie doing alot of mindless thankless repetitive work), helping out elderly relatives (need I say more), being the main child carer (can be very demanding in many ways) all can contribute.
That's not to say men don't have many pressures but I think the pressures can be exacerbated as women try to fulfill roles they feel are expected of them by society.
Thanks to feminism women now get to work fulltime and also are expected to produce a kid.
Ladies you won! equality!
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hormonal problems - TMS?
