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Baseball65
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 Posted - 11/19/2005 : 19:10:40
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Well..it happened again!I leave for a month,come back and there's all these new people...so many of the Questions are ones we've discussed at length in the past,but is so important for the newly indoctrinated TMSer to ask and begin to understand.If Sarno's work wasn't so damn effective,maybe you'd have more vets here to answer your Queries..most people find Sarno,read his books,come here when they have a doubt or fear or relapse,and disappear when they are cured.
Not me...I like to check in periodically to A.Remind myself that I was once as terrified as any of ya'all B.Pay my 'debt' back to a man I've never met.
I turned 40 this September.I have been designated 'disabled' by the state of California,and the Dr. who performed Back surgery on me in '99 warned me I could paralyze myself by merely jogging.pretty scary.He relegated me to a chronic pain care center,where I suppose I was going to spend the rest of my life.
Today I fell off a skateboard about 8 feet backwards into a concrete swimming pool,landing right on my arse and back...don't worry.I only did it ONCE today...on Thursday Night I did it about 5 times...a much funner session! Last Sunday I learned how to 'Acid Drop',a maneuvre where one stands at the edge of the pool and 'drops in' from the coping with no push off or safety net...freefalling.It's a difficult trick at any age...I didn't get it the first 15 times,but fell headfirst into the pool. I was exillarated when I finally mastered the maneuvre,but coming here I'm reminded that the true miracle isn't that I'm learning things at 40 I couldn't pull off at 14.The real miracle is that when I fell I didn't once,ever,even for an eenth of a minute wonder "Oh God...what have I done?"
The reason I can do these things is that over a long course of time and having a wealth of experience with TMS and believing it beyond a shadow of a doubt I just don't believe in 'injury' unless I can see it with my naked eye,e.g. a compound fracture.If it takes an MRI to see than it;s a chimaera...a figment of your Dr.s imagination.
Dr. Sarno has reduced my pain to the Easter Bunny Category.I used to believe in the Easter Bunny and the Easter Bunny always came.Right around the time I stopped believing in the Easter Bunny,he stopped coming.
Here is an opportunity for you to be painfree...period.Not how to manage your pain,or learn how to cope...eradicate it,gone,zip,zilch,nada,none.
Thanks to Dr. Sarno,my pain is in the same folder with the Easter Bunny,Santa Claus and weapons of mass destruction.
It's just not there.
-out
-piggy
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Irish Jimmy
USA
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Posted - 11/20/2005 : 12:13:12
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Hello all.
Just to back up what Baseball has said, people do get better and then leave the board. I'm guilty- sort of, I read the posts but I stopped replying as often.
But, now I too see new names with the same questions. Short version of my story, I had everything. Back pain, Plantar F., TMJ. tendonitus- knees and elbows. And more. I'm still woking on the acne. But, # 1 I'm not scared any more! #2 I won't stop believing- in TMS or myself. DO NOT GIVE UP! You will have bumps in the road. You will have "replacement" distractions.
Read the books. Stay away from literature that talks about "Physical" pain, it won't do you any good to read. Journal, journal, journal, about whatever comes to your mind.
Most importantly, good luck to all of you, your in my thoughts.
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Laura
USA
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Posted - 11/20/2005 : 12:23:05
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Baseball,
Great post. Love the Easter Bunny analogy. Keep on skatin! Nice to see you on the forum.
Laura
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jilly_girl
USA
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Posted - 11/20/2005 : 14:24:16
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hi baseball, i'm fairly new here. congrats on not killing yourself on the skateboard. i must say, however, i do disagree with this statement of yours:
If it takes an MRI to see than it;s a chimaera...a figment of your Dr.s imagination.
that simply isnt true. there can be injuries not visible to the naked eye.
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Posted - 11/20/2005 : 21:10:21
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| Yes, there can be injuries not visible to the naked eye which can show up on a CT Scan or MRI, but given the fact the body has a remarkable ability to heal itself yet the pain persists without letup, then one must ask the question "what's going on here?" |
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Baseball65
USA
734 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2005 : 17:28:36
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there can be injuries not visible to the naked eye.
Jill
Like??? An X-ray can show broken bones...no MRI needed,and many of those are treated with simple care (e.g. broken ribs)...The MRI is only useful for disease type of issues.Every single structural 'problem' an MRI finds can be tossed in the TMS bin...
I am quite certain for example that I have tears in my shoulder ligaments.Anybody who has played Baseball for a long time does.However,when I get into a hitting slump,I'm fighting with my wife,and getting stuck watching my kids...my shoulder hurts.I play Baseball so they check my shoulder.
..I get an MRI and they find the 'tear' that was there for YEARS but now it's the 'problem' and I have to have surgery and be careful.
Once again
Like????????
Chimaera's...all of it.
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jilly_girl
USA
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Posted - 11/21/2005 : 18:34:13
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Like??? An X-ray can show broken bones...no MRI needed,and many of those are treated with simple care (e.g. broken ribs)...The MRI is only useful for disease type of issues.Every single structural 'problem' an MRI finds can be tossed in the TMS bin...
like..my friend involved in a car accident. checked in the ER, sent home. he kept hurting. finally back to the ER for a CT scan. it was not TMS due to the stress of the accident!!!!. it was a spleen about to rupture. he spent several days in ICU, could have died if it had ruptured.
not totally disagreeing with you on this, but you CAN take it too far!
just curious, does your shoulder still hurt? why did you agree to the MRI if you feel this way about them? of course they over-use mri's and ct scans these days. its absurd. but you can go too far in the other direction and call just about everything TMS. this same friend happens to work in radiology. he told me about one patient who kept hurting here and there. she was given a CT scan, and found to be consumed with cancer. her entire body had been invaded. very unusual case as the woman was rather young, but it does happen.
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jilly_girl
USA
108 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2005 : 18:38:46
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baseball....like...my friend who was in a car accident. he was checked in the ER and sent home. no visible signs of trouble. he kept hurting, went back to ER and had a CT scan. he was bleeding in his spleen. spent several days in ICU. had he ignored this and dismissed it as TMS stress related to his accident he might have died.
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verdammt
Canada
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Posted - 11/21/2005 : 18:59:08
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"Thanks to Dr. Sarno,my pain is in the same folder with the Easter Bunny,Santa Claus and weapons of mass destruction."
It is insensitive, unfair and offensive to put these "in the same folder", Baseball65. There is still a VERY, VERY SMALL chance that the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus may actually exist. |
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Baseball65
USA
734 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2005 : 21:14:17
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OK...maybe Santa Claus..
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jilly_girl
USA
108 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2005 : 06:58:40
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SORRY I double posted the same thing. didnt think the first one went through
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Logan
USA
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Posted - 11/22/2005 : 08:36:12
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Hi all! I too am guilty of healing and leaving the board except for the odd post here and there. I'm glad I logged on today to hear about Baseball's skating adventure.
I am impressed, Baseball! I thought learning to ski at age 33 was gonzo (it was about step 4 in my recovery from TMS: a big "F you" to all the "be careful, don't do this or that" advice I'd been given by quackticioners) but that's nothing compared to throwing yourself into an empty pool! Snow is soft. : )
As far as the Easter Bunny argument goes...
Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus and probably an Easter Bunny as well but there is no such thing as chronic pain that stems from microscopic variations in musculature or skeletal morphology as depicted in an MRI. There's no such thing as repetitive use injuries that refuse to heal after decades of "rest."
Welcome Jilly Girl. I hope you keep coming back until you are well. You do make a valid point about actual injuries sometimes being detected by an MRI or other diagnostic tests. There's been a few pain free individuals who've posted on the board about trying to use their anti-TMS techniques on something that turned out to have real organic causes that require medicine or other treatment, so yeah, absolutely, real disease and injuries do exist.
Exploding spleens, cancer, these things are real, but they're the exception that proves the rule and even Sarno advises his patients to rule these types of things out before embarking on an anti TMS program. And how many people do you know who've had something like that versus how many people complain about their aching backs, necks and shoulders? And how often do these same people hate their jobs, fight with their spouses, grow up with super type-A parents or in religious communities who expect them to be perfect etc?
I don't mean to go off on a rant here but I've known a lot of people who've had cancer - my grandma for instance - and there was no pain, so even something as serious as that doesn't necessarily cause a pain response.
I guess I'm just bitter right now, and feeling a little bit ripped off because I paid $800 for my one remaining required class at my university and the professor is phoning it in (and just barely doing that) because she has a raging case of unacknowledged TMS. If I had a dollar for every time she's cancelled class because of her neck pain - this last time because the cortisone injections in her upper spine gave her migraines!! - I'd almost have my $800 bucks back.
I thought about telling her about Sarno but one time in class she mentioned some "quack from Johns Hopkins who thinks that neck pain comes from being an hysterical woman," so I get the idea she's already decided he's full of crap. Too bad.
Maybe she will do what I did after first poo-pooing the Sarno's theory, which is to suffer for another year and then have an epiphany after noticing a corollary between feeling threatened or judged and feeling intense bursts of pain... |
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Posted - 11/22/2005 : 08:36:33
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| what? Question Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld? Please report to the nearest CIA office for questioning and your new orange suit. |
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jilly_girl
USA
108 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2005 : 17:35:06
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hi Logan...you said
And how many people do you know who've had something like that versus how many people complain about their aching backs, necks and shoulders?
LOTS
you also said:
I guess I'm just bitter right now, and feeling a little bit ripped off because I paid $800 for my one remaining required class at my university and the professor is phoning it in (and just barely doing that) because she has a raging case of unacknowledged TMS
well..you dont really know that is what she has. you do deserve a refund! i just cant go around deciding who does and does not have TMS. I truly believe it exits and many people have it. but i dont know and wouldnt presume to tell someone that is their problem. you can tell them what you've found out about TMS but refraining from diagnosing them might be the best idea. just my 2 cents worth. Blessings
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jilly_girl
USA
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Posted - 11/22/2005 : 17:36:16
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Logan, oh yes..thank you!! i do hope i get well soon too lol.
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Spectacular Falls and the Easter Bunny !!!!
