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Steve
USA
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 Posted - 07/13/2004 : 07:50:02
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| OK, it finally happened to me. After struggling for almost 4 months with only mouth pain (burning mouth, TMJ) and shoulder pain, I woke up yesterday with terrible back pain! Now I truly feel like I "belong" with other TMS sufferers. This after my back has been trouble free for virtually my entire life. I did nothing the prior day or week or month that would even suggest a reason why I should have back pain. Late yesterday the pain was switching back and forth between my mouth and back, but hopefully I have it on the run. I hope this is a good sign because my pain has been pretty constant for the past few months. Reading Sarno again and again has helped. |
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 07/13/2004 : 09:13:50
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Beware of self-fulfilling prophecies when it comes to TMS.
I had a scratchy feeling in my throat for a few months awhile back. I of course had it checked out to make sure there was no serious problem. When they found nothing, I assumed it was TMS, and it went away. Hadn't felt it for months.
Yesterday the thought just happened to come into my mind. "Wow, I haven't had that scratchy throat for awhile. Cool!" Last night, on cue, I felt it. It was subtle, but enough to grab my attention.
I laughed it off. To me it was just more proof. |
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Susie
USA
319 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2004 : 14:40:56
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| Dave-This has happen to me more than once. If I look for an absent pain it sure can become current in a hurry. I have told several friends with tms equivalents about Sarno's book. A week after telling Kim, she developed terrible backpain. She called me a voodoo girl and has not called again. She feels she has become weak minded and my suggestion caused her pain. She just has tms ad my mention of backpain might have given her brain the idea. Who knows? I think it's terribly interesting. I, like you, have so far been able to disable the pain. It's constant vigilence for me. I can be totally painfree for days and then get a sharp pain or more likely for me an equivalent symptom. I can usually think for a few minutes and find the blatent cause. Mine are usually blatent. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 07/13/2004 : 15:44:22
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Susie, your friend Kim (or x-friend ) IS weak minded. She better not go to Haiti or she may become a zombie. I think our minds can only focus on one or maybe two things at a time. After that they become monkey mind, all chatter and noise.
If we are in pain, which I assume is what brought everyone to this site, I think we can only focus on one pain site at a time. I think it's just how our nervous systems are wired. The brain would go into overload with additional pain sites. Maybe that's what "firbromyalgia" is; complete TMS overload, with all the body becoming sensetized.
I experienced TMS pain movement recently with my chronic hip pain subsiding for a week. It was overcome by a neck/shoulder pain (that had been lying dormant). It became my pain focus for a week until it gave up because I labeled it TMS on the run and did not change any of my activities due to it. My chronic hip pain returned to the stage but I had a new perspective on it. I now am vicerally convinced that it is bound muscles in a TMS rictus as per Gary's views. I am "putting my foot down" literally and consciously making my right leg do it's fair share of the work, rather than letting it be dragged around in a limp. I can visibly see the atrophy in my TMS leg muscles due to years of not doing it's fair share of work. As far as the physical, at this point I would consider some re-hab for it such as the leg press machine, etc. It has atrophied after years of TMS. Or just keep doing what I'm doing and not focus on it. |
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Susie
USA
319 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2004 : 16:17:53
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| TT-I think my friend Kim is already a zombie. When I first found this board I was very anti-psyical thinking. The more I read and the more confidence I get in my tms diagnosis, the more I see a compatibility rather then a conflict in psycological verses physical. It might be difficult for newbies to distinguish or think that it must be either or, but I think for some of us that have worked thru Sarnos theory with some success, there is no reason to fear an understanding of the psyical. I, by the way, don't have one yet but I am open mined to it. In reading Gary's posts, he feels he surely has tms but has been able to also aid his well being by a greater understanding of the psyical. I think at this point if you wanted to strengthen your legs with some sort of exercise, it would in no way conflict with or compromise your mental treatment of tms. Or not. |
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mala
Hong Kong
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Posted - 07/13/2004 : 18:27:54
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If we are in pain, which I assume is what brought everyone to this site, I think we can only focus on one pain site at a time. I think it's just how our nervous systems are wired. The brain would go into overload with additional pain sites. Maybe that's what "firbromyalgia" is; complete TMS overload, with all the body becoming sensetized.
Yes tt, pain is a funny thing. I know I have low back pain but also upper back & shoulder pain too. When one is severe, I can't feel the other. It's not that it has disappeared, I think the strong pain just overides the weaker one. Gary posted a very interesting message on the old board about CPL (Constant Pain Load) which talked about this.
Good Luck & Good Health
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Carolyn
184 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2004 : 22:14:29
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This is something I had noticed even before I knew about TMS. I had pelvic pain for several years which got mysteriously better first when I broke a toe and then 6 months later when I broke a rib. So- even pain that is clearly of a physical nature seems to be able to substitute for the TMS pain. Once the bones healed, the original pain came back. Like Steve, I 'finally' got back pain about 6 months ago - still before I had heard about TMS so it wasn't an idea that was planted in my mind. When the back pain struck, the pelvic pain improved. I remember telling my husband that it was like my body needed to have some sort of pain. Once I learned about TMS, I finally understood what was going on.
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MidwestJim
USA
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Posted - 07/14/2004 : 05:26:09
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Originally posted by mala
When one is severe, I can't feel the other. It's not that it has disappeared, I think the strong pain just overides the weaker one. Gary posted a very interesting message on the old board about CPL (Constant Pain Load) which talked about this.
Gary - Would you please repost this information? Thanks... |
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austingary
USA
95 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2004 : 08:51:54
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Jim Re: "Constant Pain Load". Gary - Would you please repost this information? Thanks...
I don't even remember what or when that was. May have just been some theory of mine that I was proposing, not "information" per se. But not sure, now. Sorry. |
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MidwestJim
USA
16 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2004 : 09:12:58
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Originally posted by austingary
I don't even remember what or when that was. May have just been some theory of mine that I was proposing, not "information" per se. But not sure, now. Sorry.
Thanks anyway. The topic is intriguing for me, because I've noticed that when I get a stomach flu, strep throat, etc. (i.e. some temporary "bug that's going around" that I sometimes get after one of my kids has it), I actually rid myself of my TMS symptoms (which are depression and headaches) for the duration of the illness. Unfortunately, once I get over "being sick", TMS returns, seemingly after my unconscious mind decides that its needed again. |
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I finally got back pain!!!
