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skywalkerdude

USA
12 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2004 :  10:16:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
One of the things that I noticed in my particular case is that my pain/medical issues "move around". For instance, when I was in college - 1980-1985 I played on the university's basketball team. I was a "walk-on" and never really was good enough to start - which I recognized. I only played 1.5 years and then decided to quit. Soon after that I developed ulcerative colitis and over the course of 4 years I spent alot of time in the hosptial and eventually had to have my colon removed due to this disease. However, after my surgeries, when I was "cured" of the illness - once the colon is removed I guess you can no longer have ulcerative colitis - I started having pains in other parts of my body - low back, urinary problems, etc. Even after a very stressful time in my life which occurred about 10 years later I developed prostatitis/chronic pelvic pain, etc. It always seemed that after that "failure" as a basketball player in college my body has been "talking" to me and trying to tell me something. I am new to the TMS thing and even have a degree in Behavioral/Medicine/Psychology but I am starting to recognize some things. My marriage is almost over, but getting better due to the fact that my wife can't stand the "numerous medical problems" that I keep coming up with. I hate going to doctors so I am not doctor shopping but obviously my body/emotions are trying to tell me something. Eventhough I have had past medical evaluations and they ALL come up negative I am starting to believe in the TMS diagnosis. I recently purchased "The Mindbody Workbook" and Fred Amirs book.
While I didn't have any major issues in my life growing up - like abuse, etc., I never really felt like I was good enough - thus I excelled in sports at every level. After that part of my life - sports - was over I started developing all of these physical problems. Yes, I am very perfectionistic, strive to be the best I can be, overly neat and controlling with my emotions, etc., etc., etc.
Eventhough I am not a doctor or one who specializes in TMS, I feel almost certain that these issues are ALL TMS related.

Am I on to this TMS thing or am I missing something???

Mark

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Susie

USA
319 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2004 :  10:47:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have had tms equivalents for years and didn't know it until I found Dr. Sarnos book 2 months ago. A common virus whose symptoms keep reoccuring, hives, migranes,irratable bowel, etc. I went to alot of doctors who could find nothing wrong with me. I stayed active and the various symptoms finally went away, usually replaced with a new one but nothing major. Then the big back attack. You can't ignore that one. I consider it somewhat a blessing because , in finding the Mindbody solution, I have reached an understanding of my old illnesses, therefore, I feel I am able to help myself. Yes, I think the syptoms move around constantly. I'm 90% better but tms still keeps trying to poke out in different places during the day. I just acknowledge it for what it is,yell at it sometimes, and go on. Stay with it, you're on the right track. You will be amazed at your improvement.
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Steve

USA
48 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2004 :  11:06:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In the case of pain moving around, it seems that generally when it occurs to most people, it sort of "sets up shop" in a new location for awhile. I haven't heard anyone mention the way it happens to me - when my pain moves around it "zaps" me only for seconds at a time. I may feel pain in my fingers or leg or foot or back for only about 3 to 5 seconds then it moves back to the original place. The longest it exists in a new place is about 30 seconds. It's like a little fireball that uses my body as a pinball machine. This seems very weird.
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Dave

USA
1864 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2004 :  11:09:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by skywalkerdude

I never really felt like I was good enough


This statement is key. For whatever reason you have always felt the need to live up to certain standards, whether you realize it or not. This is where the rage comes from.

I believe there is a strong possibility that most of the medical problems you have endured have a significant psychogenic component, if not 100% psychogenic.

Even though you don't reel you had "major issues" in your life growing up, I think you should examine the reprocussions of striving, and failing to live up to your expectations (and perhaps the expectations of others, such as your parents). Basketball was the first, and the most obvious. But I bet there are other areas of your life where you (knowingly or unknowingly) have failed to live up to your own high expectations.
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Susie

USA
319 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2004 :  12:27:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
to Steve--My pain movement is short lived also. Perhaps not seconds but sometimes minutes. It almost makes you laugh when you realize what is happening. I just take it as a reafirmation of the tms diagnosis.
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kenny V

USA
268 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2004 :  15:00:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Susie are you the old suzanne or just susie
sory to ask a
but i needed to know
Thanx
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alamogirl

6 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2004 :  15:27:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think that perhaps all of us are so hypersensitive to our bodies during an "attack" that any little twinge, pinch, burning sensation gives us pause (what was that? what does that mean?). I just got home from a three-hour errand- running expedition and felt nanosecond sensations in my lower back, buttocks, legs, hips -- quite the little traveler, this TMS. I've been having the same sensations since by "big" attack four weeks ago. Have any of these sensations landed me back in bed with an ice pack and scared stiff to move? No. Just keep talking to them, tell them you're not going to fall for their nonsense (of course, I use stronger terms). By the way, after less than two weeks after the "big" back attack and after re-reading Healing Back Pain, I was 95% recovered.

Edited by - alamogirl on 06/06/2004 19:18:54
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Susie

USA
319 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2004 :  15:51:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To Kenny v- no Suzanne-just Susie
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kenny V

USA
268 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2004 :  16:10:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Susie

To Kenny v- no Suzanne-just Susie



okey doke thought so
sorry for the interuption
oops I think i quoted ya
K-
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tennis tom

USA
4749 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2004 :  16:11:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dear Steve,

Frankly speaking, (I feel that's what TMS work is all about), your colon removal was probably an act of medical barbarism. Almost every day, someone sees me limping and suggests hip-replacement surgery. Someday, when the historians look back on this era of medicine-by- amputation, it will make blood letting by barbers, at the turn of the century, look like mainstream science.

I pray that your body's adaptive powers allow you to live a normal life without a colon.

Regarding, migration or movement, of TMS pain around the body, I experienced my epiphany exactly two weeks ago. I wrote about it on the old board, and briefly this is what occured. I had a re-exam of my right hip by a "TMS" MD, who trained with Sarno. This doctor made the original DX about four years ago as "significant" arthritis of the hip joint. I have been confused, perplexed and doubtful ever since. I phoned him about a year ago with my questions. I asked him then if it was arthritis or TMS. He said it was both.

My mindset was not much changed by this answer. Two weeks ago, on the spur of the moment, I made an appointment and drove the 100 miles to see him, dragging my x-rays and new MRI. He read the MRI written report, but didn't look at it. He palpated the TMS postural muscles and checked the range of motion of my right hip versus my left. His DX was arthritis of the right hip and not TMS.

I accepted this and had a pleasant drive up the California coast. By that evening, I felt a pain in my left neck, like, when you wake up and you can't turn your neck and you say, "I must have slept on it funny". I could have done ABOSLUTELY NOTHING on that several hour drive to injure it. It started aching in the car, as I got closer to home. In January, I injured my neck in a fall, while passing out from blood loss, due to a duodenal ulcer, (taking too many aleves, 4-8 approx.daily. The neck strain was on the back-burner and I even said to myself in the hopital, "A potential future TMS trigger site". I showed it to my family MD because I had a lingering lump in my throat and thought it could be a swollen gland. He said it was only soft-tissue.

So, it's been exactly two weeks now. The pain was somewhat dis-comforting like a headache but I didn't change any of my activites. The pain in my neck has become dormant again, a "soft-tissue" lump and my neck is back to normal range of motion. My hip feels somewhat better and my footwork for tennis has improved. I didn't change anything and resisted taking any OTC painkillers so I could better interact with, and observe the new pain.

Moral of the story: armed with Sarno's TMS theory, I was able to out-fox and out-play the TMS GREMLIN.
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n/a

21 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2004 :  20:06:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It moves, all right. It is a real gremlin! It dances -- throbs -- palpates -- burns -- cramps -- tingles -- numbs -- creates dizziness -- ringing -- floaters -- fatigue -- panic -- hives and skin problems of all description (you should see my poor son's face).
I had a stroke-like symptom in my office 5 years ago when I was under a great deal of stress -- couldn't speak etc. This really gets EVERYONE'S attention and starts the medical establishment moving into high gear. The episode lasted about half an hour and was preceeded by an aura (like cut glass) in my right field of vision. When I read Sarno's HBP -- he talks about having an ephasiatic migraine just like what I experienced in the headache chapter -- there is no pain, but a lose of speech and slowness of responses. When I mentioned this to my neurologist, he poopooed to because I did not have a history of migraines. Even after all the testing the Drs. could not find a smoking gun for my episode. I have gotten the aura several times since -- and I apply the TMS, think emotional, tell it to get lost rule and I have not had another full-blown episode of this crazy thing. Oh, I think that good ole TMS can do a lot more than move around. I am alert to it and don't put much past it.
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pault

USA
169 Posts

Posted - 06/06/2004 :  05:11:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sounds like Dave hit the nail on the head!My dad was a Doctor and I have had a lot of the problems you have.I had a long bout with reflux,constipation.After correcting my back/brain problems I remembered Dr Sarno mentioning heartburn and applied it to the gastro/intestinal problems and got quick relief.I had mylanta,tums,gaviscon,prylosic,pepcid,available for many years.All gone now.I made some diet corrections by eating lots of fruit/veggies,reduced meat intake,which also helped.I even had my bed raised up four inches for years! All o.k. now.I always seem to have new symptoms popping up,only to talk them off,by defiance and laughing at the symtoms as they are always harmless,as long as I don't fear them.I have found it very helpful to realize the human body can adjust to just about anything and is very durable.Having that attitude is very helpfull. Get well soon! Paul.
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tennis tom

USA
4749 Posts

Posted - 06/06/2004 :  10:37:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Paul, that's the gist of TMS--don't fear it laugh at it. By fending off its attempts to make new beachheads it empowers the individual to take responsibility for one's own health. No more waiting around doctor's offices, being victimized by today's medical/industrial establishment.
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