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Lizzie
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 05/22/2007 : 02:54:08
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A few months ago I asked Dr Marc Sopher by email about TMS and body/joint clicks/cracks and he said that clicks and other sounds are common in everyone and are not indicative of a disorder. These sounds are due to a release of gas from the joint or movement of tendons/ligaments. Many people (himself included), actually feel better after getting an area to click, pop, etc. My problem is clicks still distract me. They grab my attention! This morning for instance (as with so many mornings) I moved my neck and it hurt as if the movement was blocked so I sat down and moved my head from side to side and looked up and down with the result that my neck clicked loudly (as I expected. This confidence to carry on moving my neck after pain has come since learning of TMS but it still is a physical distraction) and the movement became freer and more comfortable. You might think this would please me but actually it is one of the biggest distractions for me. I still worry something is up when my body has pain then makes such a loud pop sound and I think physically. This made me think that if the body can distract by reducing oxygen to muscles as with TMS surely it can produce nitrogen bubbles (is that not just a different chemical reaction?) as a TMS distraction? Does this seem logical?
Lizzie
PS: I just typed disctraction by mistake. Is that a Freudian gaff? I quite like that as a description of when TMS chooses the lower back discs as a site...disctraction! |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 05/22/2007 : 07:20:40
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May advice is stop writing and journaling about your pain or pyhsical symptoms as you are drawing attention to them. Continue to read the psychology and treatment sections of Dr. Sarno's books, journal on the areas he has suggested and resume all normal physical activity.
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Sarno-ize it!
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Sky
USA
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Posted - 05/22/2007 : 07:22:21
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| There have been times where I've suspected the clicks and pops are really minor TMS equivalents related to temporary dirsuptions of normal blood flow... |
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Shary
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Posted - 05/22/2007 : 10:29:06
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| Lizzie, I get a lot of pops and clicks too. Most are painless. The ones in my frozen shoulder sometimes hurt briefly, but then the shoulder feels better afterward. TMS (TENSION Myositis Syndrome) can cause extremely tight muscles that probably change the alignment of bones, ligaments and joints. My theory is that the clicking and popping could be those structural elements moving back into their proper position as the muscle tightness periodically relaxes a little. |
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MikeySama
Netherlands
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Posted - 05/22/2007 : 12:20:08
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I have the clicking and cracking noises to. Pretty much everywhere ranging from Neck, to Finger, to Toe. I often crack my body after a long period of working, simply because it feels good...
However in the case of symptoms generated from TMS, i occasionaly find myself cracking parts of my body to make the pain go away for a while. Which is probably not helping me in the long run. But that aside...
If it just happens, or you do it because it feels good. I wouldn't worry about it. Because it can't really hurt you. I've had it for years, and i've never once gotten hurt by it.
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Edited by - MikeySama on 05/22/2007 12:21:35 |
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Gemma_Louise
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/22/2007 : 12:42:29
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Originally posted by Shary
Lizzie, I get a lot of pops and clicks too. Most are painless. The ones in my frozen shoulder sometimes hurt briefly, but then the shoulder feels better afterward. TMS (TENSION Myositis Syndrome) can cause extremely tight muscles that probably change the alignment of bones, ligaments and joints. My theory is that the clicking and popping could be those structural elements moving back into their proper position as the muscle tightness periodically relaxes a little.
Yeah, this sounds like what I was thinking. Since I developed TMS I've noticed a lot more popping/clicking noises. This theory makes sense though and I don't think it's anything to worry about.
'The more sensitive you are, the more certain you are to be brutalised, develop scabs, never evolve. Never allow yourself to feel anything, because you always feel too much' - Marlon Brando |
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Inferno
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Posted - 05/23/2007 : 01:07:14
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Hi,
I posted awhile back about the "snapping" sensation that I felt in my right knee. First came the pain, and then that was followed by constant "snapping" or "clicking". MRI's did not reveal any significant problems, yet the noise and sensation was driving me nuts. My knee never use to do this, and I never did anything in particular to damage it. I've had TMS in several different locations in my body, and I do believe that it is affecting my knee as well.
I tend to believe what Shary alluded to....namely, TMS besides causing pain, can "alter" the physical structure such that tendons can snap over other tendons, etc..... Whether this is caused by "swelling", "tension", or some other manifestation is not clear. I surmise that the muscles become tense, and pull (create tension) in such a way to cause an inbalance in how the joint reacts. This is what causes the tendons to snap, etc....
I know that my knee, just feels "out of whack". It tends to "snap" more when I'm stressed or angry. Usually it is relatively normal when I first wake up in the morning, and gets worse as the day goes by. This seems to reinforce a TMS cause in my opinion, since I'm more likely to be less stressed upon waking up???
This is/and has been difficult for me to overcome, since it difficult to keep your mind off of it when it is constantly reminding you of the "TMS location". The only advice I can give it to try and stop testing your popping,clicking or snapping. Ignore it as best you can. I believe it is another result of the tension, which goes hand in hand with the stiffness that people seems to have with this disorder.
Best...
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Lizzie
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/23/2007 : 03:10:42
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Thanks for the replies. It is comforting to know others get so many clicks and pops. I have certainly become more clicky since developing TMS symptoms but I also know my body is more tense. I realise I am more clicky first thing in the morning partly I think because I expect to be, partly I think because as Shary says the muscles are more relaxed then and here's the big issue for me...partly because my first thoughts are usually of symptoms and pain/stiffness which I need to stop but this is a challenge.
I woke up in more pain than usual today (my pain is so much lower than it used to be) but I have a lot of stressors going on this week:
my Mum told me she is remarrying
I have the funeral of a close relative, whom I was very fond of, to go to tomorrow
I am flying abroad on Friday
My son has exams all week
I could feel myself consciously getting angry with my other child for making us late out this morning and I think it is becasue I was feeling stressed/annoyed. I suppose I am aware of all these stressors and am not repressing things as far as I know and the thought of spending time digging into them in journalling does not feel appealing at the moment. Let's face it journalling is no bundle of laughs! Well , nice to moan here! Looking at my issues, my Mum deserves to be happy, my relative had lived a long and full life, I like travelling when I get there and the exams are not mine and will soon be over so what have I got to moan about?
Perhaps my key issue is fear (ie: fear of moving/bending/structural fears/pain) and not repression?
Thanks for listening.
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mikescott_98
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2007 : 08:20:29
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| I once broke my elbow and had to have surgery to reconstruct it. 3 plates and 7 or 8 screws had to be installed. When I was was going through rehab, the physical therapist was twisting on my wrist to increase the range of motion. Then there was a loud POP. We looked at each other with a look of terror and he asked "are you OK". I slowly moved my wrist and elbow and realized that it was feeling better than it had since the surgery. Now I pop my wrist 2 or 3 times a day and it usually feels better afterward. As a side note, this injury made it easier to accept Dr. Sarno's theory of TMS since when my back pain was relieved, the pain moved to my elbow. THE NORMAL ONE WITHOUT INJURY. My reconstructed limited mobility one did not have pain. If a doctor was to diagnose which one should be in pain by x-ray or MRI, they would have certainly chosen the one with the screws and plates and would have been wrong. After re-reading Sarno, that pain disappeared as did my back pain. |
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Clicks as a distraction
