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music321 Posted - 05/31/2016 : 20:37:16
Hi,

I've had MAJOR issues with fibromyalgia for years. I couldn't walk for a long period. I've come to accept TMS, and have read all of Sarno's books. In The Divided Mind Sarno States that 80% of people get better upon hearing of the psychosomatic cause of their problem. The other 20% either doesn't get better, or experiences a symptom substitution. For this latter 20%, he recommends pyschoanalysis, and most recover.

I've been seeing a licensed clinical social worker for about 2.5 yrs, and she's helped me quite a bit, both in terms of restructuring my outlook on life, and teaching me psychological techniques for calming myself, etc. However, I still have TMS.

My home situation is stressful, I can't get a better job to afford to leave because of TMS, and I haven't been able to get social security disability. I spoke with a well-regarded TMS psychologist and was told that the cost per session was $250 (insurance not accepted). For me to regain control of my life, this would be money well spent. However, my gut tells me that I can get over my problems without spending this kind of money.

Interestingly, I took a vacation for the first time in many years recently. Many of my symptoms improved, and the improvements are still with me. Part of me thinks that once I leave my poor home environment, things might get better. Another part of me knows that the home environment isn't the whole reason for my problems, and that irrespective of leaving, I still need to fix myself.

Can anyone offer any advice? Thanks.
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tennis tom Posted - 04/08/2020 : 15:43:36
Hi Al, I think I've seen the trucks going by when I'm playing on the grass courts--now I know.
altherunner Posted - 04/07/2020 : 19:11:20
Hey Tom - there is a mill near Cowichan called Harmac that makes the fiber for all the 3M masks, gowns, hats etc. for medical use, they have shut down all fiber other than this one type to meet demand. They claim they have not increased the price, but it is a commodity so I don't know if they can control the market price at all.
tennis tom Posted - 04/07/2020 : 11:51:23
Hi Al,

Good on you for holding down the fort! Things are improving down here in kali, went to the Dollar Tree yesterday and they had TP on the shelves for the first time in weeks!--4 rolls for $1--not exactly the Charmin bear size rolls, butt a sign that spring is in the air. Spoke with a friend in Cowichan and things are OK with her too. Keep growing those trees up there, we're gonna' need 'em for TP down here.

Cheers,
tt

p.s. Be careful while texting and driving the fork-lift.
altherunner Posted - 04/06/2020 : 19:51:39
Hi Tom - sorry I missed your call today, I am still working for now, we are short staff and I am driving the forklift answering phone etc. will be in touch
tennis tom Posted - 04/01/2020 : 21:01:27
Hi Al, thanks for thinking about me! It's the same down here, all non-essential services told to close, like restaurants bars and hair-salons, but not liquor stores or pot shops. Plenty of food, the hot commodity is tp--I've got some industrial rolls so I should be good for a month. A neighbor saw me holding the stair rail to get upstairs--I didn't know that was a no-no--I told her things would be worse if I fell down the stairs and cracked my head.

Last tennis court was padlocked today--I guess I'll have to walk for some exercise--maybe I'll try running again--haven't run in about 20 years--that's not quite true, I was running in the pool for 30 minutes daily until they shut that and the hot-tub down. The roads are pretty quiet. Every day feels like Sunday, which isn't a bad thing if one isn't living from pay-check to pay-check. I've got everything I need for the duration--hopefully.

Cheers,
tt
altherunner Posted - 04/01/2020 : 20:36:03
Hi Tom - how are you keeping? Is tennis shut down there? It seems to be here. Hope you are doing well. Vancouver Island has been ok, restaurants bars, hotels shut down so hard for a tourist area. Not many people in hospital though.
tennis tom Posted - 03/31/2020 : 22:14:18
https://www.paincureclinic.us/

Thanks for reminding us about the PAIN CURE CLINIC Boulder, CO. hopefully someone will benefit from their TMS work. I've talked to them and they are TMS legit--I know YOU'VE never taken the time to call them, I have. You shouldn't disparage TMS practitioners on second-hand information--they are few and far between, that's what drives them away from sites like this. You call them and report back on your findings.


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TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale

Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605

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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti

"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown

“You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato

"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst

"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto

"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter

"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox

"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise" - Thomas Gray

"All my friends in Los Angeles are the sensitive type. They all have like all the diseases like Chronic Fatigue, Epstien Barr, Fibromyalgia. Like all the diseases where the only symptoms seem to be you had a really crappy childhood and at the prospect of full time work ya feel kinda achy and tired."

Posted by Skizzik @ TMSHelp from comedian Maria Bamford

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthuisam."
Sir Winston Churchill

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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod

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TMS PRACTITIONERS:

John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035

Dr. Sarno is now retired, if you call this number you will be referred to his associate Dr. Rashbaum.

"...there are so many things little and big that are tms, I wouldn't have time to write about all of them": Told to icelikeaninja by Dr. Sarno



Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm

Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist



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TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale

Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605

==================================================

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti

"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown

“You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato

"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst

"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto

"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter

"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox

"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise" - Thomas Gray

"All my friends in Los Angeles are the sensitive type. They all have like all the diseases like Chronic Fatigue, Epstien Barr, Fibromyalgia. Like all the diseases where the only symptoms seem to be you had a really crappy childhood and at the prospect of full time work ya feel kinda achy and tired."

Posted by Skizzik @ TMSHelp from comedian Maria Bamford

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthuisam."
Sir Winston Churchill

======================================================

"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod

=================================================


TMS PRACTITIONERS:

John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035

Dr. Sarno is now retired, if you call this number you will be referred to his associate Dr. Rashbaum.

"...there are so many things little and big that are tms, I wouldn't have time to write about all of them": Told to icelikeaninja by Dr. Sarno



Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm

Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist


tennis tom Posted - 03/31/2020 : 22:09:49
Alix, you must have a lot of time on your hands with this "corona crisis"--it's probably not a good idea to post when you're high.

Thanks for reminding us about the PAIN CURE CLINIC Boulder, CO. hopefully someone will benefit from their TMS work. I've talked to them and they are legit TMS--I know YOU'VE never taken the time to call them--it would probably take all of 10 minutes.

quote:
Originally posted by alix

quote:
Asking that question shows you know NOTHING about TMS! Making a statement that you are "CURED" proves it.


You don't like the word "cure". But TT, you are the one that keeps writing about it:

YUP! The GOOD DOCTOR'S "cure" is available in any one of his four books...Ever hear of the "book cure" Alix?...But, only YOU can achieve "the cure", by understanding and accepting...The best things you can do to cure yourself...etc etc




==================================================

TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale

Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605

==================================================

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti

"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown

“You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato

"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst

"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto

"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter

"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox

"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise" - Thomas Gray

"All my friends in Los Angeles are the sensitive type. They all have like all the diseases like Chronic Fatigue, Epstien Barr, Fibromyalgia. Like all the diseases where the only symptoms seem to be you had a really crappy childhood and at the prospect of full time work ya feel kinda achy and tired."

Posted by Skizzik @ TMSHelp from comedian Maria Bamford

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthuisam."
Sir Winston Churchill

======================================================

"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod

=================================================


TMS PRACTITIONERS:

John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035

Dr. Sarno is now retired, if you call this number you will be referred to his associate Dr. Rashbaum.

"...there are so many things little and big that are tms, I wouldn't have time to write about all of them": Told to icelikeaninja by Dr. Sarno



Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm

Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist


alix Posted - 03/31/2020 : 19:45:32
quote:
Asking that question shows you know NOTHING about TMS! Making a statement that you are "CURED" proves it.


You don't like the word "cure". But TT, you are the one that keeps writing about it:

YUP! The GOOD DOCTOR'S "cure" is available in any one of his four books...Ever hear of the "book cure" Alix?...But, only YOU can achieve "the cure", by understanding and accepting...The best things you can do to cure yourself...etc etc
tennis tom Posted - 05/28/2019 : 00:07:20
Here's Don Dubin's obituary from the wiki:

https://www.tmswiki.org/ppd/Don_Dubin,_MFT


Don Dubin, MFT



Don Dubin (deceased) was a psychotherapist in LA to whom Dr. David Schechter refered some of his TMS patients. He passed away on August 18, 2009. Don had TMS himself and fully recovered. Later, he had a relapse, but was able to recover from that as well. His approach to TMS therapy was to keep to a relatively small number of sessions (the most he has ever done for TMS is 15) that are very goal-directed and that emphasize education. He used to offer phone consults for TMS as described in this thread.

Obituary
Obituary from Zirana/Santa Monica

DUBIN, Donald Born in Far Rockaway, May 28, 1927, passed away on Aug. 18, 2008. Parents were Ruth Love and Jack Dubin, both of whom emigrated from Russia. Don graduated N.Y.U. in Business and served in the military. He was Vice President of Terminal Hudson Electronics. In a change of careers, he went back to school and earned a Masters Degree in Counseling Psychology at U.S.C. He spent the rest of his working years helping patients in a psychotherapeutic practice. He specialized in helping people with mind-body pain as described by Dr. John Sarno. He worked closely with Dr. David Schecter, M.D. Don's other passions were tennis at the Mulholland Tennis Club, the survival of Israel, and the study of the Torah and the Talmud. Don will be missed by his loving wife Judy Steingieser Dubin, son James Dubin (Rose), daughter Deidre Waxman (Alan), and grandsons Jacob and Simon, as well as his stepsons, Randy Steingieser (Anne Morea), Henry Steingieser (Jessica Rhude), new grandson, Buster, and sister Roberta Schwarz. He was predeceased by his first wife, Dr. Renee Dubin. In lieu of flowers, the family would prefer donations to either Ahavat Torah Congregation: P.O. Box 442, Santa Monica, CA 90406 or American Friends of Magen David-ARMDI. May God bless his soul and grant him eternal peace. We will all miss his presence and his gentle soul. Don's Funeral Service will take place today, Wednesday, August 20, 2008 at 10:00 a.m. at Hillside Memorial Park, 6001 W. Centinela Avenue, Los Angeles, CA 90045. Malinow & Silverman Mortuary 800-710-7100
altherunner Posted - 05/27/2019 : 20:34:48
Hi Tom - Fish and chips would be nice. We have Remembrance Day on Nov.11
No bikinis here in November unfortunately
tennis tom Posted - 05/27/2019 : 08:20:13
Hi Al, nice to hear from you. Don was a very nice man, I was hoping to play some tennis with him at his club on Mulholland Drive someday--but me being a TMS PROCRASTINATOR it never came--the road to hell is paved with good intentions--but, I'm going to be spending some time in SoCal and will visit his club. I came across an obit for Don and will add it to this thread.

Hopefully I'll make it up your way this summer for the grass courts and we can get together for a some TMS chat and some fish & Chips.

It's the Memorial Day holiday down here, the official kick off for summer, BBQ, tennis and hang around the pool looking at tatoos and string bikinis--maybe even some reflection on all the soldiers who fought and died so we can have margaritas in the hot-tub. Do you'll have Memorial Day up there?

Cheers,
tt
altherunner Posted - 05/26/2019 : 21:43:30
Hi Tom - thanks for this Don was a great guy and a great therapist
tennis tom Posted - 05/26/2019 : 10:03:33
Here's a thread about Don Dubin, now deceased:

http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1330
tennis tom Posted - 03/07/2019 : 19:30:01
quote:
Originally posted by alix

Yes, I am cured.
What about yourself? Did you ever suffer from MB syndromes or are you just here to socialize?



Asking that question shows you know NOTHING about TMS! Making a statement that you are "CURED" proves it. What is MB an acronym for?--meatballs?--I like Italian food -- or is it another B.S. re-name for TMS/psychsomatic dis-ease to create more "medical" jargon, keeping the
white-coats in power, so the Good Doctor's theory can be be monetized?

I have a gf--do you? TMS is my hobby. I was hoping you would pop out of your hole so I could play whack a mole with you.

See ya' in a few months when you come up with another witty rejoinder, so far you're a one hit wonder.

==================================================

TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale

Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605

==================================================

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti

"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown

“You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato

"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst

"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto

"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter

"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox

"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise" - Thomas Gray

"All my friends in Los Angeles are the sensitive type. They all have like all the diseases like Chronic Fatigue, Epstien Barr, Fibromyalgia. Like all the diseases where the only symptoms seem to be you had a really crappy childhood and at the prospect of full time work ya feel kinda achy and tired."

Posted by Skizzik @ TMSHelp from comedian Maria Bamford

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthuisam."
Sir Winston Churchill

======================================================

"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod

=================================================


TMS PRACTITIONERS:

John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035

Dr. Sarno is now retired, if you call this number you will be referred to his associate Dr. Rashbaum.

"...there are so many things little and big that are tms, I wouldn't have time to write about all of them": Told to icelikeaninja by Dr. Sarno



Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm

Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist


alix Posted - 03/07/2019 : 14:43:05
Yes, I am cured. Thank you for inquiring.

What about yourself? Did you ever suffer from MB syndromes or are you just here to socialize?
tennis tom Posted - 02/09/2019 : 10:02:00
quote:
Originally posted by alix

Tennis Tom,

Exactly how am I defaming Don Dubin?

I repeat, he sold me 12 sessions at a discount. I did it twice for a total of 24 sessions. He was very nice. Very well versed in Jewish history. He however did not manage to help me.

How are you helping people exactly when you mostly talk to yourself on this forum?



It took you three months to reply!?!--Maybe you're just a slow learner--give it time Alix! Remember Edna St. Vincent Millay's great quote in Dr. Sarno's book :

"Pity me that the heart is slow to learn
What the swift mind beholds at every turn."

The GOOD DOCTOR knew that his TMS approach was not right for everyone, so he carefully vetted potential patients who were psychologically amenable, so as not to waste anyone's time or money. Some, probably MOST, need their TMS symptoms as a "PROTECTOR". A protective psychological DEFENSE MECHANISM, from having to deal with their more painfully perceived emotional issues.

So are you "cured"? If not, maybe you need to go over to the TMS wiki--there are a lot of nice people over there. I'm not here to help anybody in particular--TMS is my hobby.

==================================================

TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale

Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605

==================================================

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti

"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown

“You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato

"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst

"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto

"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter

"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox

"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise" - Thomas Gray

"All my friends in Los Angeles are the sensitive type. They all have like all the diseases like Chronic Fatigue, Epstien Barr, Fibromyalgia. Like all the diseases where the only symptoms seem to be you had a really crappy childhood and at the prospect of full time work ya feel kinda achy and tired."

Posted by Skizzik @ TMSHelp from comedian Maria Bamford

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthuisam."
Sir Winston Churchill

======================================================

"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod

=================================================


TMS PRACTITIONERS:

John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035

Dr. Sarno is now retired, if you call this number you will be referred to his associate Dr. Rashbaum.

"...there are so many things little and big that are tms, I wouldn't have time to write about all of them": Told to icelikeaninja by Dr. Sarno



Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm

Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist


alix Posted - 02/05/2019 : 22:23:48
Tennis Tom,

Exactly how am I defaming Don Dubin?

I repeat, he sold me 12 sessions at a discount. I did it twice for a total of 24 sessions. He was very nice. Very well versed in Jewish history. He however did not manage to help me.

How are you helping people exactly when you mostly talk to yourself on this forum?
tennis tom Posted - 12/05/2018 : 21:42:19
Thank you so much for the corroboration on Don Dubin, he was a very dear man.

Happy Holidays!
tt
altherunner Posted - 12/05/2018 : 20:51:13
Hi Tom - I had 3 sessions with Don Dubin also, he helped me after a relapse and the 3rd session was more of a review, I was much better and he said I didn't need more therapy.

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