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| filipe |
Posted - 06/08/2015 : 17:00:34
Hi
sorry to bother you again.
My wife's breast cancer is triple positive, which means it is fed by estrogen, progestrone, and another hormone. We know that psichological stress affects hormones production, so there is a link to stress. She used to have a lot of lumps during menstruation. So we must reduce stress, right? She had a lot of stress, due to our difficult relationship, in these last 5 years. We were always fighting. We were always arguing about our son, etc... I never thought she was so sensitive... never... This episode made me see the beautiful person I have by my side. I love her...
I ask:
Why the urge to revert the cancer process?
Me and my wife, have talked a lot lately, and she is not stressed with me anymore...I wonder, it is just a question of having the "balls" to wait, and postpone chemo and other treatments?
By the way Ace1, are you and oncchologist? Where is SteveO?
Thanks and please reply,
I wish I had more time :(
Thanks,
Filipe
PS: We know the cause, we are willing to change it, in fact we already changed it, so what should we do?
Here we can read: http://www.thehormoneshift.com/breast-cancer.html
"...Years of chronic stress** often will proceed cases of breast cancer. Stress increases the demand
for cortisol production from the adrenal gland, when reserves run low the hormone progesterone is
lowered. This can dramatically alter the natural balance of estrogen to progesterone. When other
lifestyle factors are present along with sometimes genetic tendencies female cancers can develop"
This is what it happened. We both know, so why are we urged to treat it by conventional medicine?
It is also goo do read this: https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/80/topic/703880
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| filipe |
Posted - 06/20/2015 : 06:05:13
I totally agree with you Ace. I was very lucky to have a benign form of TMS. Even so, it took me almost 5 years to overcome it. I decided to believe in Dr Sarno, because I had no alternative, and I didn't want to be a cripple for the rest of my life. I also had been very lucky, because I avoided all surgery Drs advised me to do.
The only thing I regreted doing was a stupid manipulation/spine adjustment done by a non reliable Chrirpractor, I met on the street. Thank god there weren't any permanente damage :).
Fear was almost killing me, but fear also kept from avoiding 3 surgeries. Although I took almost any pain medication you can think of.
What is making me said is watching her going through all the side effects of Chemo. She is also being advise by Dr not to get sun, going to the beach, etc which could heal her... |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 06/20/2015 : 05:28:21
Filipe there is nothing you can do for your wife now except allow her to get conventional treatment and just support her. You can explain things as time goes on and lead by example but there is no way to force her to understand it despite it being the truth. Some people are wonderful people and we love them dearly but will never be able to understand tms or how to reverse it. This is even true for people open to the idea in some cases |
| filipe |
Posted - 06/19/2015 : 16:18:33
I've been Reading a lot about José Silva. For him 90% of disease were psychossomatic.
http://www.silvamethodlife.com/the-answer-we-all-seek/
Unfortunatelly my wife told me today, that in fact she doesn't beleive on most of the stuff I showed her lately, including cancer being a form of TMS. She stills thinks there is these incurable diseases, and that conventional medicine is doing a great job. I'm really disappointed, but what can I do. I'm getting tiered, and affraid of my work being counterproductive.
If someone doesn't click, it is difficult for someone to help them. For me believing is the key step for us to heal, from psycossomatic "diseases", such as cancer. The Placebo effect depends on believing, and with almost 40 years of hearing that we need pills to fight diseases, I guess it is difficult for my wife to think differentely... after knowing a bout TMS, she continue to take pain medication for everything... Sometimes I just want to shake her, and tel her do her own research... she used to take a pill for everything... :( On the other hand, if she doens't trust me why stay married.... she trust Drs but she doesn't trust her husband...
I know I'm going to take a lot of time to convince my son also. With TV shows on Disney kids channel, such as Doc McStuffins, where children are led to beleive that there is several diseases, and that we need a Dr for everything it is a difficult task, insetad of being the master of our body and health. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwzgGFPpHCA
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| Ace1 |
Posted - 06/19/2015 : 14:03:33
I'm sure we can go back on forth on this subject, but I do have a rebudle. In more ancient times, man or similar beings ate what they could. If you lived in a cold climate, meat and seafood was the primary food. So once again we can only eat in the manner kelly turner describes in the current time because of technology. Yes we do intake a lot of sugar, whose to say that sugar would be harmful outside of tms? Shouldn't the most magnificient creation, a human body, be able to use what it needs and get rid of what it doesn't? We know that in the setting of tms that is not true, but I must give the example of little children whom can eat what they want without weight gain or adverse effect. We are told that our metabolism just slows down when we are older, but why would that be the case? I think tms factors are what slow the metabolism and in turn lead to obesity witch in turn is associated with many other more severe tms equivalents such as heart disease and cancer. I think anyone can overdo anything and it is possible to hurt yourself by doing that. However with moderation and reason I think that will benefit the patient the most and that is the key. Kelly turner is suggesting radical diet changes which I think is detrimental as that will be more apt to straining the patient more. Dean Ornish incorporated meditation in his studies, so it is hard to tease out if one or if all three factors helped. I think it was just the mediation and possible also the placebo effect. |
| MatthewNJ |
Posted - 06/18/2015 : 09:12:24
I am not saying diet cures cancer. I am not saying to stop any of the western based treatments. What I am saying is the food we eat has a huge impact on how our bodies perform overall. God did not intend for us to eat 165 lbs of sugar a year yet in the last 200 years we have gone from eating 5lbs of sugar a year to 165 lbs a year. Nor the quantity of meat and processed foods we eat, nor to be as fat as we are. We are naturally drawn to Sugar Fat and Salt as those are evolutionary "survival" foods. And our marketing people use it to their advantage to sell us foods that do not serve our body well. Technology has created that. Watch Forks over Knives for some history on that. Our food helps create a more symbiotic balance within our bodes. "Food is the most powerful medicine you will ever put in your mouth" (not sure of the exact quote but it is Dr. Andrew Weil from "Spontaneous Healing". Dr. David Agus also speaks of the importance of fresh whole foods in "The end of Illness", Dr. Dean Ornish Scientifically proved he could reverse Coronary artery disease with a vegan diet, exercise and meditation. the list goes on.
Matthew
Less activated, more regulated and more resilient.
Ferretsx3@comcast.net
Organizer of TMSwiki.org/chat
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| Ace1 |
Posted - 06/13/2015 : 16:27:09
Dr Sarno told me that same story before when I visited him |
| filipe |
Posted - 06/13/2015 : 09:37:27
In this vídeo, of an interview of Dr Sarno to a Brasilian channel, at 5:00 minutes of that vídeo, you can listen to Dr Sarno talking about cancer as a new symptom, brought by the symptom imperactive. He has no doubts. He say it black and white...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tiij89XvNl8
I think deep inside Dr Sarno also believe that cancer is TMS, but he cannot speak on behalf of his colegues oncologist which deal more with cancer patients. After all he did so much for his and other chronic pain suffers.
Again: sorry for my spelling error. I'm don't speak english :( |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 06/13/2015 : 09:24:02
My only point of bring up the diet thing is that I think it is a distraction from focusing on the real cause. Just like when dr Sarno gave up physical therapy to go at it "pure". I have many reasons to think herbs and diet are placebo. First I think that with tms is almost always present to some degree before some gets cancer. To me this implies that factors that cause tms are the same factors that lead to cancer. Diet and herbs obviously have no role in tms treatment and actually would be detrimental to the treatment. There are people whom purport that diet and herbs play a role in the treatment of let's say back pain but we know that's not true. Also from a logical standpoint how can herbs really treat cancer, it doesn't even make sense. Some say it makes the immune system stronger but I don't know how it can unless it was a placebo. The diet thing is so radical and unnatural because in nature no one would be able to eat that way. God designed us to be able to consume what may have been available locally. The only reason someone can eat the way Kelly tuner is suggesting is because of how our society and technology have advanced us enough for us to be able to do so. I once again cannot see how that would boost the immune system unless someone felt so good about what they were doing that the placebo effect came in to play. I know many whom have changed by heir diet and taken herbs and yet they still died to their disease. I also think kelly tuner is analyzing the very few that have had a radical remission and if you look at anything used to treat cancer you will always find 1 in a million that has succeeded. Remember that we do not know the statistics of what she is taking about they are anecdotal reports. The last point is we do not know how many of the cancer patients with the radical remission had the symptom imperative. Just read between the lines in the book and you'll see that it's really the psychological aspects that are important. |
| filipe |
Posted - 06/12/2015 : 14:33:19
I would add
doing something you really love doing that allows you to create...
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| MatthewNJ |
Posted - 06/12/2015 : 12:07:42
The links I provided are not just about diet. These are the nine factors that Dr. Kelly turner identified in radical cancer remissions
1. Radically changing your diet.
2. Taking control of your health.
3. Following your intuition.
4. Using herbs and supplements.
5. Releasing suppressed emotions.
6. Increasing positive emotions.
7. Embracing social support.
8. Deepening your spiritual connection.
9. Having strong reasons for living.
That said, would anyone NOT use the above in addition to the western methods? If it were me, I would be pulling out ALL the stops.
Matthew
Less activated, more regulated and more resilient.
Ferretsx3@comcast.net
Organizer of TMSwiki.org/chat
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| filipe |
Posted - 06/11/2015 : 10:14:06
quote:
Originally posted by Ace1
Hi I am an oncologist. I do think the diet thing is just a placebo. No way to prove that either way though. Get the two books I suggested earlier.
Thanks Ace1. I already bought both books :) I keep Reading them when I'm said, and when I have doubts. They are great :)
Today I got another great book: you are the placebo form Joe Dispenza (http://www.youaretheplacebo.com/). WHAT A GREAT BOOK :) It gives us the science behind the placebo effect, and the mind-body connection.
You know ace, I think I'm getting sick. I don't sleep well lately. My obsessive search is making me sick :(. I also begun having idiophatic Atrial Fibrillation again. At least I know it is 100% psychosomatic.
In other words, Im affraid.... I just wish her dr gave her a placebo, instead of chemo.
Have you heard about Immuno Oncology therapy for breast cancer (http://www.virttu.com/Immunotherapies_a_paradigm_shift_in_oncology)? It sounds a lot nicer than chemo. A shift in paradigm.
I love her so much. I'm petrified with the idea of what chemo can do to her body, both phisically and psychologicaly. Today she went to buy a wig as na advise of her Dr... so the nocibo effect is going on...
But is good to know we think the same way.
Thank you Ace. You are really being a Friend :)
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| Ace1 |
Posted - 06/11/2015 : 09:48:15
Hi I am an oncologist. I do think the diet thing is just a placebo. No way to prove that either way though. Get the two books I suggested earlier. |
| filipe |
Posted - 06/11/2015 : 08:08:53
quote:
Originally posted by MatthewNJ
filipe,
Stress is huge, food and environment are as well. there is a great deal of research showing that a plant based, whole foods diet can prevent and reverse many disease processes, including cancer. check out the documentary Forks over knives. I also heard a great show on NPR the peoples pharmacy the other night about research into what things people have done that have reversed terminal cancers. check out this link
http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2015/05/21/955-surviving-cancer-against-all-odds/
and from an oncologists perspective Dr. David Agus "The End of Illness"
Good Luck
Matthew
Less activated, more regulated and more resilient.
Ferretsx3@comcast.net
Organizer of TMSwiki.org/chat
Thanks MatthewNJ.
You know, when you "click" and understand how disease work, you feel almost imortal. Unfortunately, my wife hasn't click yet. Also, she is being urged by her Dr to act against cancer now. So she is going to star chemo. I'm affraid chemo will undermine her chances of recovery :( |
| MatthewNJ |
Posted - 06/11/2015 : 07:57:26
filipe,
Stress is huge, food and environment are as well. there is a great deal of research showing that a plant based, whole foods diet can prevent and reverse many disease processes, including cancer. check out the documentary Forks over knives. I also heard a great show on NPR the peoples pharmacy the other night about research into what things people have done that have reversed terminal cancers. check out this link
http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2015/05/21/955-surviving-cancer-against-all-odds/
and from an oncologists perspective Dr. David Agus "The End of Illness"
Good Luck
Matthew
Less activated, more regulated and more resilient.
Ferretsx3@comcast.net
Organizer of TMSwiki.org/chat
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 06/11/2015 : 07:28:47
Don't ask a barber if you need a haircut.
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TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
“You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox
"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise" - Thomas Gray
"All my friends in Los Angeles are the sensitive type. They all have like all the diseases like Chronic Fatigue, Epstien Barr, Fibromyalgia. Like all the diseases where the only symptoms seem to be you had a really crappy childhood and at the prospect of full time work ya feel kinda achy and tired."
Posted by Skizzik @ TMSHelp from comedian Maria Bamford
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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod
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TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Dr. Sarno is now retired, if you call this number you will be referred to his associate Dr. Rashbaum.
"...there are so many things little and big that are tms, I wouldn't have time to write about all of them": Told to icelikeaninja by Dr. Sarno
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
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| filipe |
Posted - 06/10/2015 : 15:09:33
quote:
Originally posted by tennis tom
No, don't know of her, been lucky haven't had any cancers to deal with since my mom died--although I feel we always may have them going on but they may not exhibit and our immune systems deal with them--just my theory as a tennis player. I live in an area where there is a high number of breast cancers, they figured out it was because they did more testing for it.
There is more cancer because there is more people doing exams. More fear, more Breast Cancer epidemic.... our medicine is creating deseases...
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 06/10/2015 : 14:40:16
No, don't know of her, been lucky haven't had any cancers to deal with since my mom died--although I feel we always may have them going on but they may not exhibit and our immune systems deal with them--just my theory as a tennis player. I live in an area where there is a high number of breast cancers, they figured out it was because they did more testing for it. |
| filipe |
Posted - 06/10/2015 : 14:14:12
Thanks Tennis Tom.
Do you know Lorrain Day's book?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAF23j8OU3M
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 06/10/2015 : 11:02:46
Here's a book I read many years ago when my mother had cancer:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0452298288/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687522&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0452269547&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=19QV6BVM832T9KP17DMA
Here's some others:
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1CHWA_enUS602US602&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=100%20things%20to%20do%20when%20they%20say%20you%20have%20cancer |
| filipe |
Posted - 06/10/2015 : 06:53:41
Ho Tennis tom, can you advise me on which book to buy?
The Art of healing, or A book of miracles?
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