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| Susie |
Posted - 07/05/2004 : 13:28:41
I contend - what difference does it make if our pain is caused by oxygen depravation to the muscles or some other psysiological phenomena activated by our brain? I remember Sarno saying ( I've loaned my books out so I can't refer ) something like in the future others may discover a different theory. I think he would be very open minded to a different cause. I think, however, we would all agree the pain must be caused by our own brain, otherwise we would not possess the power to eliminate it. To me, the mechanism of pain is not nearly as important as the cause and effect. Does anyone remember Woody Allen's movie Sleeper? All the things we thought were bad for us turned out to be very healthy. Years from now oxygen depravation might turn out to be incorrect, but because of Dr. Sarno, we have been given the tools to heal ourselves. I contend that this knowledge is what is relevant to living with tms. |
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 07/06/2004 : 06:34:15
Well it's 4am out here on the left coast and I'm not up by choice but because my diabetic cat is pooping all over the place and then tracking it all about the humble abode and I have to go around cleaning it up. Then I have to get to a tennis tournament at a location I've never been to before on an interstate highway that has been voted the most road-rage filled in the area. And my typing is not tndgt good. So I'm awake now. But my hip feels better at the moment so that's nice.
I wish Sarno or someone else would write more about TMS or that he would come up with a less unwieldy name for the disesase or afflictiion or whatever the hell it is-maybe it's just called the mystery of life-like it or lump it. Sarno doesn't claim to know everything about "TMS" and it's precise causes. He says it's originates up there in the gray matter, which we've just recently started to chart. Sarno is the Christopher Columbus of this unexplored gray ocean. Like Leif Erricson he wasn't the first or the last to discover the new world. Columbus thought he had found India. Others who came later did improved the maps. Sarno is just doing what he wants to do, be a doctor and help people in pain. He ocassionaly writes a book updating his observaations. Few great men get their due in their day, usually they are rewarded with abuse or ignored by their colleagues because they challenge the established main stream ideas-surgery and drugs- and upset the easy money flow. It's not like Sarno is trying to do something important for society like Brittany Speers or Madonna are, then he would be showered with riches and fame by our sophisticated and intellectual media. Katie Couric might even invite him to be a guet-he is just a stones throw away at NYU. {At least John Stossel on ABC 20/20 gave Sarno his due several years ago-kudos to him}.
It would be nice if Sarno would get on this board for an hour a day and keep us on the right track. So, I guess it's up to us civilians to flail around in this dark ocean doing the grunt work for TMS or whatever the mindbody complex is.
Goodnight or goodmorning whatever 5;27am is, I'm gonna'tryn to go back to sldep. wake me when my match starts. |
| Sarah Jacoba |
Posted - 07/06/2004 : 01:42:47
I must admit I find it frustrating when people
a) write books about fibromyalgia as if it is a known quantity that is going to follow certain precise patterns, even though they can't explain its medical cause!
b) insist on oxygen deprivation as THE sole mechanism of TMS. If you read the history of psychosomatic symptoms (e.g a book I'm reading right now on the history of psychosomatic symptoms over the past 200 years--I think it's by Turner) or you read Quantum Healing by Chopra, or you study multiple personality disorder, or you read about voodoo, et al, you realize the brain can cause just about anything to happen in the body, way beyond what can be explained by oxygen deprivation. Maybe we should use a broader term (physio-psychogenesis pain syndrome?--I know that's stupid but I just came up with it) so we dont get hung up on the narrowness of one mechanism associated with textbook TMS theory
case in point: I once commented that my hair got limp on bad TMS days and that got shot down by a few folks as impossible due to the lack of an oxygen deprivation explanation, but I still believe it to be true! Maybe it's kind of aura thing that science hasnt figured out yet
--Sarah
"When dream and day unite" |
| JohnD |
Posted - 07/05/2004 : 17:43:59
Good point Elisa.
I've realized there is so much that I don't know about everything, and that is fine, I don't have to know in order to be happy.
Sometimes I still catch myself trying to "figure it all out", and then I take notice of how I feel at that moment, and usually its not as happy as I would like to be. |
| elisa |
Posted - 07/05/2004 : 13:48:41
Wow, you just read my mind -- because I just re-read Sarno's original book (going through an acute TMS attack right now) and you're absolutely right. It would be great to really know the mechanism -- especially when you're looking to put your faith in something scientific or medical -- but it's not necessary for healing and that's all we really need to know to "treat" it.
It would be fascinating to know how it really happens but there's so much we don't know about the brain and its connection to things as simple as picking up a pencil. So no big surprise if another, better theory comes along in the future. |
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