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Baseball65 Posted - 04/26/2005 : 17:59:46
I have read a snippet here and there about peoples experiences with TMS and their conflicts,interaction with husbands and wives who also suffer.

In the Fibro string I read Verdammt's comment about suggesting to his wife that her allergies were TMS

My wife suffers from allergies,sciatica,hip pain ,shoulder/neck problems and occasionally hives(I never even knew what they were until I saw them on her)

It's been my experience that pushing TMS theory on ANYONE is a lose/lose situation.....if you need to push it,than they aren't 'getting it' and you might only be biasing them against a future cure .

Reading the new testament,one finds Jesus himself commenting on miracles...he sees them as a weak testament of faith,as the people who have seen them don't even believe.Hearing they are deaf ,and seeing they are Blind.

My wife watched me go from well to crippled and back again,but still putters around the edges of committing herself to believing....Oh,if you got into a conversation with her in the mall over a cup of coffee,she'd tell you all about Sarno,whilst massaging her spasmed neck and taking her 4th clarinex.

Than the other night,she comes to me again and tells me she needs to go to the Doctor...I ask her what for,and she tells me her hip is killing her.She's listened to the CD set thrice,got tons of it vicariously through me and others but WILL NOT apply herself to the principles.I neither pester her with my advice nor encourage her physical ailments...I take the 5th.

All I'd get if I pushed the issue,is an arguement.

I brought up to her that
1.She just had a review by the owner of the company
2. I quit my job(finally) last week
3.We're having financial trouble
4. she's thinking of taking a new job
5.her father called and yelled at her for being 'irresponsible' the other day...Her Father who molested her older sister and was taken away by the police when my wife was a child...Her father who left her to be raised by a series of abusive alcoholics...her father who 'repented' but has never addressed the issue,and was absent from her life until about 10 years ago,when he of course reappeared as the heroic returning Grandfather to my 2 sons.

He had the cheek to chew her out about not cashing two $25 checks he had mailed to my sons for their birthdays...he had written the checks to my sons...who have no Bank account IDIOT!!

Please forgive me again Daddy for messing up your pristine checking account...I'm a bad girl and I have to be perfect for you,or else you might leave me again...you are always right and I don't deserve to have such a great Father .....n't

,,so,without saying "Sarno" or "TMS" ,we just discussed this issue about her Father....one she has lived in complete denial of,barring the occasional slip.

Oddly enough,she woke up the next morning without pain for the first time in a month.I never 'went there' so to speak,just sort of re-routed the conversation....

Odd..she hasn't mentioned going to the doctor again.

Unfortunately,I don't think she is going to deal with these feelings and that issue...I imagine after a bit of respite she will continue to have her hip pain and other TMS conversion symptoms...perhaps when it gets bad enough,she'll actually do the work...for the time being,she has her pain and her allergies to keep her company,safely away from dealing with or GOD forbid,confronting her father on ANYTHING emotional.

But,I love her the way she is....'til death do us part and all that stuff.

Peace

Baseball65
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Mikey_Sama Posted - 04/27/2005 : 05:24:02
I also must agree with you. Though i've only known about Sarno for the last year or so, and so far i've seen much more progress using his treatment then any other kind of treatment.

I told people what i did, and what helped me. Still whenever i get a recurrence of the pain they tell me to go see a doctor, or take it easy. Basically now i don't even bother to tell them i have the pain no more. I've tried talking about it to other people but dutch people i've run into simply won't believe sarno's theory O.o;
Though when we talk about what bothers them. THey usually find out their symptoms became less or vanished the next day... of course i must not mention it was because of the long talk we had

Ah well...

Greetz
Mikey
verdammt Posted - 04/26/2005 : 20:13:55
"It's been my experience that pushing TMS theory on ANYONE is a lose/lose situation.....if you need to push it,than they aren't 'getting it' and you might only be biasing them against a future cure" baseball65

Amen to that, brutha!

My wife only believes in TMS when it's convenient and it fits her agenda. The rest of the time - believe it or not - Sarno is used as a weapon. Let me explain.

We don't actually use the term "TMS" or mention Sarno by name in our house. We use the terms "subluxation" and "subluxating" a lot, in honor of the chiropractor who bilked me (and our health care system) out of thousands of rubles.

(The dictionary defines "subluxation" as "a partial dislocation." You won't find it in any medical texts, because the condition doesn't actually exist!. Only chiropractors use the term.)

Anyway, to show how twisted things get, whenever my wife or I express a physical complaint, one of us usually counters with, "You're subluxating." It's sort of meant to be helpful, suggesting emotional issues may be the cause, but in our black little hearts the underlying message is really: "You're a cry-baby who can't control his/her emotions. You're weak. You're a loser. You just want attention and sympathy. Get over it."

Ain't it awful? So, yea, do yourself a favor. Keep Sarno under your hat.

A wise man once told me, "Advice is like falling snow. The softer it falls, the longer it stays."

Stay frosty.

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