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| mala |
Posted - 09/17/2014 : 20:36:17
Another thread.
Dave is asking ppl to edit their posts. I'm not going to but he may do it for me. I don't know.
I don't believe I wrote anything that was wrong but I will not allow ppl to attack me nor be bullied.
In reply to my OP I was asked & told
1. 'Why did u specifically develop such bad fibroids in the first place?
2. I believe that there will be ppl who work on this (TMS) & fail. (meaning me)
Why would u say things like that? Now I don't know about others but I read that in a way I am being blamed for my condition & that I am a TMS failure. A bit harsh don't u think. Especially coming from someone you don't know, who has never seen you, run tests on you or done any investigative work? Would it not be unprofessional to diagnose someone like that ?
I also asked what authority this person had to make such claims. Is the person a doctor? A cancer specialist, a TMS doctor? If so then why refuse to make yrself known. If u believe that strain & TMS is the cause for cancer & other diseases then are u practising what u preach with yr own patients in yr own practice & if not why not? After all Dr Sarno, Dr Sopher, Dr Schubiner, Dr Schecter are all practicing what they believe openly.
Does that not raise some questions?
So I replied & I still stand by that reply. The result of that reply was that I was again told I had failed with the TMS model, that I was discouraging ppl on the forum & to go to another pain forum to vent. I was asked what my motive was to discourage ppl. I hadn't realised that I was. Should I have waited till my condition became untreatable before posting?
Then we got into the philosophy of TMS and how getting hit by a bus could be TMS too. I stand by my reply to that too.
And about domestic animals.
After that I stopped replying and started another thread to answer questions that ppl had asked & was again attacked & yes I do see it as a attack.
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-I'm nominating you for the Internet Acting Academy Awards.
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I'm sure glad I'm not your husband.
Alix is being replied to like he is some village idiot.
Darko is being attacked for saying what he believes.
Others are bleating like sheep. Andy I love that!!
A lady who was here previously who told us about her cancer was scared off.
Many ppl have messaged me privately telling me what they think of what has been going on. The reason they do it privately is because they don't want to be humiliated or become someone's target. Many said they have left the forum because of that.
That says a lot about this place of what it has become. That as adults we are being intimidated, that we are being shut up.
Ppl can post as they wish but I am not allowed to stand up for myself?
Why r we allowing this?
When ppl get into an all knowing, agrressive mode, there is no room left for proper & wholesome discussion.
Balto, u said its about egos. Its not actually. Its about standing up to the playground bullies.
I cannot force anyone to open up about how they actually feel but this is their forum too.
For those who stood up for me openly, thank you. You made me realise I wasn't losing it.
Regards
Mala
"It is more important to know what sort of person has a disease than to know
what sort of disease a person has." ~ Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.)
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| Ace1 |
Posted - 09/25/2014 : 17:18:21
Hi guys, dr sarno personally told me he believes the tms is the basic cause of most non traumatic illnesses including cancer. I think he didn't explicitly state this in his books bc he didn't want to turn people off completely from the concept. People would then label him as "extreme". I don't blame him one bit, especially based on responses here on the subject from people who do believe in the basic tms concept. Unfortunately, one has to see sick people on a constant basis and fully understand tms concept to see what we are saying. No one is forcing this concept on anyone but I still want to continue to put it out there for receptive persons. |
| Darko |
Posted - 09/24/2014 : 16:39:54
Misinterpreting biblical verses from your prophet is exactly why we have psychos who think cutting heads off is Gods work.
At no point do I see him saying that the mind is the only/main cause of disease. He is simply trying to shift you away from medicines extremist view that the mind plays no role.
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 09/24/2014 : 07:50:16
"Knowledge of the intricacies and intrigues of the unconscious is Freud's gift to us. But he underestimated the mind's power by failing to recognize that it could achieve it's ends by altering physiology through manipulation of the autonomic, immune, and neuroendocrine systems. Years of work with patients suffering from TMS and it's equivalents provide abundant evidence of this power."
THE DIVIDED MIND By Dr. John E. Sarno, page 113.
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TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
Posted by Skizzik @ TMSHelp from comedian Maria Bamford:
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox
"All my friends in Los Angeles are the sensitive type. They all have like all the diseases like Chronic Fatigue, Epstien Barr, Fibromyalgia. Like all the diseases where the only symptoms seem to be you had a really crappy childhood and at the prospect of full time work ya feel kinda achy and tired."
Posted by Skizzik @ TMSHelp from comedian Maria Bamford
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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod
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TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Dr. Sarno is now retired, if you call this number you will be referred to his associate Dr. Rashbaum.
"...there are so many things little and big that are tms, I wouldn't have time to write about all of them": Told to icelikeaninja by Dr. Sarno
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
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| mala |
Posted - 09/23/2014 : 23:55:06
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Not one person on the planet knows exactly what is going on and what ratio of disease is caused by emotional, dietary or toxic catalysts.....and there are far too many unfortunately
Thoughts may affect the expression of our genes - not only our own thoughts but maybe even the thoughts of others (Nocebos/placebos) around you but then so may many other things like addiction, smoking, obesity, diet, the environment, stress, beliefs etc.
I agree with Darko & Dave that there isn't enough eveidence yet to say that is everthing is TMS.
Mala
"It is more important to know what sort of person has a disease than to know
what sort of disease a person has." ~ Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.)
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| Darko |
Posted - 09/23/2014 : 20:53:07
I'm firmly with Dave on this. I'm a big believer of how important emotions are on health, but without trying to be rude, it does all sound like an extreme view of TMS. We've gone from pain and a few nervous disorders to now all encompassing belief.
Epigenetics is now fact, and has been shown that what a woman experiences in her diet shows up in grandchildren. So cancers and whatever other diseases some people are having could be the result of what happened to their grand parents.
Not one person on the planet knows exactly what is going on and what ratio of disease is caused by emotional, dietary or toxic catalysts.....and there are far too many unfortunately
I just don't understand how anyone could not have a more objective view if they are well versed in health, as most of us are.......given all the evidence.
Not being around much, when I do pop in and read some of the posts as an outsider, it really does sound unhealthy.
D
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 09/23/2014 : 15:38:38
I'm with you Balto, I witnessed it with my mother's kidney cancer. It wasn't the cancer that killed her, it was a broken heart, complications from the surgery, that was supposed to be "the only course of action that was supposed to save her and return her to a natural life". 12 hours on the operating table, 150 pints of blood later and 9 months in ICU, it didn't happen. In retrospect I would have bet on her strong will instead of the surgeons. |
| balto |
Posted - 09/23/2014 : 14:31:19
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Originally posted by Dave
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Originally posted by Ace1
...I think cancer's origin is similar to that of TMS...
It seems logical to assume that TMS could play a role in certain types of cancer, as the immune system is a clear target of the process. Two public examples are Andrew Madoff and Joe Paterno. It seems reasonable to believe that the stress and internal conflict these men experienced could have played a role in their cancer.
That said, I certainly do not believe all cancer has its origin in TMS. For example, I cannot imagine TMS plays a role when young children develop lymphoma.
My lovely niece passed away a couple years ago at 6 years old from brain cancer. Her parents have it very rough before they have her. Her mom was under lots of stress and anger while carrying her. I wonder if those stress' negative effects passed onto her and caused her cancer? Personally I think it did. I saw that her health went up and down corresponding to how happy or stressful her life is.
A college drop out like me can't prove that tms is the root cause of cancers, heart disease, diabetes... and many more. But that is my belief. I came to that conclusion through my own observations. I saw that Happy and contented people just don't seem to get cancer and heart disease, regardless if they smoke or eat unhealthy food. ( http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9012&SearchTerms=roseto )
or people who got cancer and heal themselves with the love and happiness like http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/magazine/the-island-where-people-forget-to-die.html?_r=2&
I found story of "spontaneous healing" every where I went. And I was thousand of "spontaneous ill - ing" every where I went too. To me, our mind play a big big part in our well being. It can heal and it can kill. The good thing is we have total control over it if we want to. |
| Dave |
Posted - 09/23/2014 : 09:03:59
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Originally posted by Ace1
...I think cancer's origin is similar to that of TMS...
It seems logical to assume that TMS could play a role in certain types of cancer, as the immune system is a clear target of the process. Two public examples are Andrew Madoff and Joe Paterno. It seems reasonable to believe that the stress and internal conflict these men experienced could have played a role in their cancer.
That said, I certainly do not believe all cancer has its origin in TMS. For example, I cannot imagine TMS plays a role when young children develop lymphoma.
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 09/23/2014 : 07:43:24
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Originally posted by Darko
Ace, can you please clarify for me. You're saying that bowel cancer is caused by TMS....and no other reason? Then you think all cancer is TMS?
Have you any evidence of this? What studies can you reference that backup this claim?
For more on this fascinating topic explore the works of Dr. Bernie Siegel a world renowned mindbody medicine expert, author and lecturer on cancer and it's psychosomatic origins and and one's role in dealing with it. |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 09/22/2014 : 16:53:05
D,
It's very hard to answer your question sufficiently on this forum without me writing for hours. If you get the audible version of "when the body says no" by Gabor Mate, you will have my answer. His book is backed up by a lot of studies and compelling case histories. Actually I emplore anyone who doesn't understand why I think cancer's origin is similar to that of TMS to get the book if interested. I touch on the subject on some of my previous posts on why I think so. A big one is that a lot of cancer patients (like 80% in my estimation) first start out with simple TMS symptoms for years (like chronic back pain) before getting their cancer diagnosis. There is much more than this but the book will explain it well. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 09/22/2014 : 10:58:48
Although you forget we are not communicating, the answer is: yes and no.
Why do you make the assumption that I don't address the pain? I think that's one of those strawman or red herring arguments that have become popular since the sixties. |
| alix |
Posted - 09/22/2014 : 10:21:05
Okay.
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I (in the conscious) agree with Ace1's broader view of the breath and gammut of dis-ease that can have it's gestation in TMS/psychosomatic origin--a karmic/existential view.
So Tennis Tom, if your belief system is all encompassing now and in tune with Ace1, then do you believe now that your hip pain is TMS?
If yes, why do you think you are unable to address the pain? |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 09/22/2014 : 10:09:54
So I'm a hypocrite--get over it--I've earned my right to be one. |
| alix |
Posted - 09/22/2014 : 09:32:04
Tennis Tom, what is the difference between Mala responding to Ace1 and you responding to Ace1?
In your exchange with Ace1 I posted above, he diagnosed your hip pain as TMS. You then were outraged and became abusive to him.
What you did to Ace1 is exactly what you are accusing Mala of doing. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 09/21/2014 : 19:08:31
Dr. Ax, although we are not communicating, I am appointing you my un-official biographer and fact checker here at the Forum. I'm rootin' for Ace1 to be right on my hip. I have not yet succumbed to the daily berage of well-wishers who have difficulty with me not having a perfect stride (more likely they have difficulty being beaten on the courts by someone hobbling on one leg). If it's not TMS I would benefit in the speed department from a THR. If I hang out long enough, arhtroscopic methods will advance enough that it won't be necessary to amputate my trochanter and acetabulum, and rehab for six months to a year. There's all kinds of crazy new things being played discussed and toyed with in the engineering area of surgery, like stem cells and artificial cartilage. Joint replacement surgery has only been around for about fifty years--the human body has been around and developing for between 5,774 and five billion years, depending who you believe God or Darwin
Sometimes my conscious makes posts here, and sometimes my sub-c makes posts here--I have little if any control over which one writes my "drivel". You're an engineer, you must be exacting or the plane or the computer crashes. I'm not held to such high standards, I'm only a tennis player. If I miss a shot I get another chance at it or am a finalist rather then the winner--either way I get a trophy and a t-shirt.
I'm flattered you are going through my 4,000+ posts and I may hire you as my ghost writer, but first my agent has to sell the book and get me an advance.
Looks like my sub-c took some minor offence to the tone of one of Ace1's posts. The sub-c has no past, present or future, you never know when it will pull it's shenanigans.
I (in the conscious) agree with Ace1's broader view of the breath and gammut of dis-ease that can have it's gestation in TMS/psychosomatic origin--a karmic/existential view.
For what may be the second time, at least I'm declaring YOU the winner of this thread, for what it's worth. You are the guru, you are the Alpha male, you are the A. It's OK, my goldfish still loves me, I will survive this big loss and hopefully come out stronger and slimmer and handsomer and grow more hair and a foot taller, I've admonished my sub-c to work on it. I'm giving full refunds to all those whose money I took here and gave faulty advice to. You are the razor back, shoulder that responsibility wisely, there will be many who will try to take all the females at your beck and call away from you.
I came to Ace1's defense because I felt those who attacked him were WRONG and used abusive language. He's a TMS physician and they are few and far between. I'm sure Ace1 does humanity good everyday, I don't know what the knit-pickers do for the planet?
People have way too much time on their hands.
It's nap-time now, spell-chek later. |
| Darko |
Posted - 09/21/2014 : 15:16:21
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I still maintain that the basic cause of his retinal detachment is tms.
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I believe cancer with a bowel obstruction's basic cause to be tms
Ace, can you please clarify for me. You're saying that bowel cancer is caused by TMS....and no other reason? Then you think all cancer is TMS?
Have you any evidence of this? What studies can you reference that backup this claim?
D
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| Ace1 |
Posted - 09/21/2014 : 12:42:03
Alix views change with time. I myself must be able to change my views with evidence or I will never be able to know the truth. At one point I didn't even believe the basic concept of tms. I had to change them in order to heal and to make sense of what I was seeing in my practice. My views may once again change in some way. This in part is why I need to collect more information before I publish anything about the subject. So TT, may have changed is mind or evolved his views or he may just agree on the belief that all disease has its basic causation in tms. He cites dr sarno who has a somewhat different view in how to treat the tms but dr sarno also believes that all disease causation is similar to that of the tms model. |
| alix |
Posted - 09/21/2014 : 12:19:52
Ace1, I am not talking about your dispute. I am referring to your disagreement on the nature of TMS. You views of TMS are all encompassing. That post from Tennis Tom shows that you two disagree on pretty basic TMS fundamentals. |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 09/21/2014 : 12:09:22
You know Alix. We all are human. We all get caught up. We were both caught up at that time. The secret to life and health is forgiveness. I forgive and forget anything that was said about me before. I am also sorry if I myself did get caught up and responded in a way that may have been hurtful. |
| alix |
Posted - 09/21/2014 : 11:35:57
Tennis Tom, I am surprised of your endorsement of Ace1 as a TMS expert. A few months ago you had this to say:
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8030&whichpage=2
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I find your tone to me very patronizing. I've given much of my time to this forum to help people understand the Good Doctor's theory and refer members to TMS practitioners. Because YOU say my hip is TMS, without ever having examined me, therefore I'm not "cured" and not worthy of being listened to.
You exhibit a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of TMS: It is NOT something you are "cured" of--it is the "HUMAN CONDITION". It is a defense mechanism--a PROTECTOR--when life gets to be too much. Maybe you have ascended with Jesus and Buddha, and can say with absolute certainty that no viscissitudes will ever befall you and that you will not need the GIFT of TMS, but I don't possess that hubris.
You've been dismissive of me from the start and your "Dears" and "best wishes" don't impress me. Would you like to REALLY do something to help me??? I'll give you the names of my two Sarno trained TMS doctors who looked at my images and said "TOM, it's NOT TMS, it's arthritis, get a THR." I prefer your DX for my hip. Would you please consult with these two doctors, tell them they are wrong and remove this gigantic NOCEBO? I'll be happy to give you the names of the two TMS docs and their contacts and my phone number, if you want to consult with them and get to the bottom of my butt. And I'm more then happy to discuss TMS or anything else under the sun with folks here by phone or in person, as I have for many years, PM me and I'll give you my contact info.
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