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| donnroc |
Posted - 11/13/2013 : 15:00:04
I experiencing some "arthritis" visible swelling in finger joints etc.
I have have had much success using the Sarno material with back
knee etc. This one has been tougher. I think Sarno says it is more in the auto immune catagory and a little more vague on the treatment.
Has anyone had success with arthritis and the TMS treatment ?
Many Thanks,
DR |
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| jennypeanut |
Posted - 11/15/2013 : 07:39:29
donnroc - I think the fact that you play piano says a lot about the arthritis in your fingers, and not as in "overuse". I mean, don't you kind of fear losing the use of your fingers? I make art. I need my fingers working properly. I have had lots of arthritis issues with my fingers too. And huge RA fears. So I think those natural fears play into TMS. TMS is definitely a monster and will find the areas in which you are the weakest (fear). I also run. It gives me joy and energy. And now I have it in my toe. Hmm... go figure... A friend is a pianist. She is in her late 60's and she has some knobbly fingers (as in arthritis) but she doesn't have pain. She's quite an "at peace" person. Go figure on that one too... Arthritis doesn't have to hurt. |
| donnroc |
Posted - 11/14/2013 : 21:54:45
Thanks Jenny way to go thanks for the encouragement
I'm getting to the point where I believe all pain is TMS
Had heel pain for months could barely walk....... gone
lower back pain for 15 years .....................gone
symptoms of lock jaw .............................gone
knee pain to the point of limping.................gone
Pain in the chest..this was a scary one ..........gone
I;m a professional piano player maybe that's why this one
has been a tough one for me. Because of so much use of my fingers it's
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| jennypeanut |
Posted - 11/14/2013 : 20:59:22
I appreciate this thread because already in my mid 30s I have experienced "arthritis" in various places on my body. Just before I found out about TMS I visited several doctors including a Rhuematologist with no clear diagnosis (thank God). When I am stress free I don't feel it, but turn up the stress button and BOOM! It's baa-aaaack! I've had it in my fingers some and knees but mostly my big toe. I have even recently developed a bone spur in my toe. This happens over time because of the inflammation and it's the body's way of healing.
Anyway, I'm positive the "arthritis" I get is TMS, stress, mind-body, or whatever you label you prefer. Do I think the bone spur will disappear with TMS practice? No. It's there now, like it or not. But I know why it's there. And it doesn't have to hurt. It hurts because I hurt emotionally. I have young children and sometimes when my nerves are totally frayed by them, one of them will scream or throw a bowl of oatmeal on the floor or whatever and it becomes "the hair the broke the camel's back" and then I feel it - the sharp pain pulsing from my big toe joint.
When I'm caught in a stress loop, I feel the pain, focus on the pain, and soon enough it starts to redden a little and swell a little. But if, during one of these "stress loops", I go out with my friends and have a good time - do I have any pain at all with them? No. Am I thinking about it? No. Does it return? Yes. The minute I arrive home.
Both of my parents have "arthritis". My mom has never come to an inner peace of any kind and is constantly stressed. Her hands are to the point of looking deformed. My dad, who has found his peace, was told he likely had the Rhuematoid type and he claims to have cured himself by not worrying about it. Seriously. I can vouch for him.
So, that's what I have to say about it all. Just treat it the same way one treats a hurting back. I get that you are worried about the changes in appearance but then I have that too with this bone spur. Just look at it as a battle wound? I need to take my own advice on this one. Lately it's been bothering me again. But hey - I've been stressed too, so there you go... |
| andy64tms |
Posted - 11/14/2013 : 15:44:41
Hi Balto,
I discovered only a few months ago that bones do have nerves. It stands to reason that this condition would cause pain for a real reason. Much to the puzzlement of the many doctors she has visited my wife is very accepting of her knee pain as they mostly offer knee replacement as the final answer, and in her case she has been identified as having a clear medical pathology.
What you describe in Thailand and Vietnam is what I call: “a distraction theory” and has merits that I have verified first hand and am a proponent of. I have difficulty applying this idea to a permanent healing scenario. I will note that poor people of different cultures seem to have a better handle in dealing with pain and acceptance than in the western world. They are fortunate have never learned to be in pain.
Thanks
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years, is almost gone.
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
| balto |
Posted - 11/14/2013 : 14:57:21
quote:
Originally posted by donnroc
I do have one finger that was bothering me. The pain is completely gone however the bumbs in the joint are still there.Was your experience a visual difference as well as pain relief ?
Many Thanks,
DR
Yes DR, the paint, the inflammation, the swollen... all of them gone. And gone for good now. My fingers are healthy and function just the way they suppose to function.
Andy, I didn't know "bone on bone" is painful, I always thought bones can feel pain. Anyway, lots of people in Thailand and Vietnam, where I came from, got bone on bone without pain. They are often poor and can't afford to have any kind of medical treatment even if they are in pain. Well, in poor people the pain always leave after a while. They are too busy making a living, pain or not, life goes on. The pain seem to "understand" and leave them after a while.
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| andy64tms |
Posted - 11/14/2013 : 14:39:47
I think arthritis (inflammation) has the potential to both bogus (TMS) and also can be for very real reasons.
Bogus:
When I was informed by my doctor viewing my neck X-ray that I had slight arthritis on my vertebrae, I somehow ignored his statement as if he was talking about a wrinkle on my face. I had read that not all arthritis is painful comparing one person to the next. (Dr. Sarno HBP). My visit to the doctor was not for pain but to seek verification and rule out the physical so to speak. The visit was very beneficial because I discovered the lump on my neck was caused by my bones being crooked and not a muscle lump. When I asked why this was so the doctor said: “involuntary pulling of the muscles caused by tension”. I rejoiced as tension equals TMS. The slight arthritis was real, but secondary in importance and thus bogus to me.
Real:
My wife had a “bucket handle tear” that locked her knee up. Two doctors tried in vain to stretch her leg to allow the handle to flip back. This was the start of her problems, as over the years she has had a total of eleven surgeries on both knees. She has had meniscus cleanups, drilling of the bone to promote cartilage growth etc. She is in constant chronic pain of various depths alleviated only by a swimming regimen. It has been explained to her by many doctors that she has bone on bone everywhere even under the knee caps, and one doctor described this situation as the worst he has ever seen. This has to be a very real physical /mechanical issue and not TMS.
Let me agree and add to TT statement that the word arthritis means “inflammation” caused by trauma or wearing out of the joints. Now could it be that Inflammation can sometimes be brought on psychologically?
I admire and respect what Balto is saying, but in my opinion the jury is still out, I just don’t know. Dare I hope that my wife could rid her pains with TMS practice, has anybody out there done this or does everybody get new joints?
Good luck DR, I hope I havn't side tracked your thread.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years, is almost gone.
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 11/14/2013 : 11:42:11
Arthritis, it's a catch-all for pains, a hundred different types, they don't know what causes it, how to treat it or how to cure it. Probably mostly TMS. Rheumatoid is something else, auto-immune, assigned to the rheumatologists by default since it was a dis-ease of the joints.
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| donnroc |
Posted - 11/14/2013 : 10:21:40
I do have one finger that was bothering me. The pain is completely gone however the bumbs in the joint are still there.Was your experience a visual difference as well as pain relief ?
Many Thanks,
DR |
| balto |
Posted - 11/14/2013 : 10:06:44
Yes DR, that's what I'm saying.
Don't allow the symptoms to create fear in your mind. Don't give it any weight, go on with life as if your life is perfectly fine and it will.
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| donnroc |
Posted - 11/14/2013 : 08:31:24
Thanks .... so you are saying that the classic arthritic symptoms (knots on the fingers swelling etc)eventually disappeared with your TMS work, and that people walking around with Arthritis are only choosing to focus on it, give it their energy and thereby experience more of the same??
DR |
| balto |
Posted - 11/13/2013 : 21:15:52
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Originally posted by donnroc
Has anyone had success with arthritis and the TMS treatment ?
I had. I had it twice on many different fingers and successfully and completely got rid of it with mind body knowledge. It is pure tms in my opinion. Happy, contented, and at peace people don't get arthritis.
Don't "wish" you will get better. "Believe" that you will get better. Don't fear it, don't hate it, just accept that the symptoms will be there for a little while... Once you're able to convince your mind that they are nothing but tms symptoms they will cease to exist.
Good luck Donnroc,
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