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| kenny V |
Posted - 04/07/2005 : 16:17:53
There were a lot of topics and subjects that helped me to understand and apply Dr Sarno's MBP approach.
Id like to make a statement as well as a suggestion as to how expand more on Dr Sarno’s work that in directly might be of some use, applying it to each one of our current conditions.
After being exposed to the mainstream medical community as well as seeing my son poisoned by them, has given me a whole new understanding in what we call practicing medicine today.
And also first hand witnessing growing up a father and a mother who were also misdiagnosed and and injurered by a mainstream medical approach.
As I continued to learn TMS and its function, I also needed to stop thinking ONLY through the eyes of TMS and start to think outside the box about healing in general.
After learning about TMS I have a whole new outlook on this topic and would like to share some thoughts from my observations. Because during the time I was learning about TMS I was also exploring the methodology and analyzing its approach, and tested its theory.
Because of my interest to study “auto immune disorders” especially the so-called “ incurable one”,
Such as autism, lead me to make discoveries about healing and the human body. My son has taught me more about the central nervous system as well as the auto immune system and the brain more than any textbook I have read so far.
It was my mission to help my son and in the process he has helped m understand this syndrome (TMS)
The mainstream medical community still believes today that there is no treatment nor has taken responsibility for its cause. Sound familiar with TMS. Therefore they do not prescribe to the notion that there is EFFECTIVE TREATMENT in this so-called neurological disorder. I will bear to differ.
I am getting my son back and he IS RECOVERING from mercury poisoning.
(We are programmed to believe that modern medicine and science has all the answers, therefore they must be right) this is NOT so or else you wouldn’t be here seeking help in your condition.
If I lost you, and you don’t believe, that is your loss and don’t read on, because that is the same mindset of what brought us all here, And also what might be hindering us from obtaining some recovery.
On a personal note, About 2 moths ago I had met a mom whose child also has Autism/Mercury poising and she said
“ The plane has crashed, your son has autism,” “STOP digging the wreckage and MOVE on”.
Well this has a 2-fold message in it. Bc YES I need to MOVE ON, But it was through digging through the wreckage and finding all the clues as to what happened, has also helped me develop a successful working medical protocol. For my son I cannot go into details, all I can say is he is coming back, and I love him more than anything else in this world.
Anyway I’d like to share something that may be helpful to all of us in relationship to treating TMS.
This is from my exposure looking for my own answers to this research; such as the central nervous system involved with a complex disorder effecting many biological pathways within the brain.
Most importantly I have learned some big lessons in the way our medical community treats symptoms verses patients. I will offer this in return hopefully you can relate and apply its connections.
The mainstream approach does not treat each patent as a whole person; therefore they do not properly identify, diagnose and care for a person in particular needs. The human body has a complex makeup and one system that may be damaged out of balance, or blocked from functioning properly will alter the body’s function. Therefore as a result may be a symptom or a response. This creates a chain reaction in systems as the body responds to its treatment, which includes a whole new set of symptoms if not properly identified. Simple nutrition and chemical imbalances can cause a wide verity of conditions that only need support to restore proper function.
I have seen seizure disorders that were out of control, causing much unnecessary brain trauma and the best anti seizure medication prescribed was deemed useless. But with the proper diet change eliminated the seizures altogether and the need for harsh drugs, especially in a child and his developing brain.
The bottom line is medical doctors are not trained in general nutrition, They also use a text book approach which says one size fits all, and often miss very small triggers that can be isolated changed or just simple supplementation that would bring dramatic results in ones medical condition.
So when I looked at Sarno’s work and read his books I highlighted many of what I call DEFINITIONS that explain it’s theory. I studied each definition by itself to understand it, the way HE was writing and explaining its theory. Than as I applied it to my self I was actually TESTING it to cross check his work.
It was very effective but also painful, in all of its discoveries about my own personal makeup.
Many lessons were learned as I started to recover and by no means am I an expert or consider myself healed (that is yet), still learning new things every day. But I will say that I am 99% recovered and my life has changed for the better dramatically, even though I fit the criteria as 9 out of 10 stressful life situations.
I consider this a syndrome as Dr Sarno explains it. And I am most confident with the MBP approach it has not been a placebo effect because its application still coincides with his theory.Ok these are the definitions that I was referring to that helped me refine my own MBP approach, and like I said we are all different and must learn them, discover them and apply them as they relate to us individually. And as we gain more success in its application we can apply a MBP in a personal way.
I hope this might stir up some growth as well as a benefit for topical discussion on the TMS forum.
Thanks for listening
Kenny V
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Placebos
Diagnosis
Programming
Conditioning
Faith in healing
Repressed emotions
Emotions and their function
Auto immune system
Programmed response
Fight and flight
Drugs and side effects, blockers and enhancers.
What makes them work or not work?
What causes different side effects?
Body chemistry and it’s healing properties.
The bodies own ability to combat pain.
The bodies own ability to create pain.
Brain chemicals in relationship to the body.
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| kenny V |
Posted - 04/22/2005 : 14:54:12
Mainstream Medical / MBP application
Just wanted to make a few comments on applying the TMS mind body approach as it relates to our past exposure in the mainstream medical community.
Hopefully it may be helpful in learning more about how to take from what we have learned from Dr Sarno’s work and apply it to our current condition and also future medical treatment.
It was easy for me to accept my diagnosis when I first was introduced to Dr Sarno’s work. But also it happened to be during my worst point of pain in my life. Once again I wanted answers and was willing to explore another possibility as for my pain. Some times this can be good but also patients who are desperate for help often times are taken down another road that leads to further complicating there condition. This is just the way it is as we live in a paced, quick fix, one-stop shopping, one size fits all, not allowed to be sick medical community.
What I mean by not allowed to be sick, I mean it in a general sense. When our body resistance is low or we are over stressed, lack of sleep and nutrition we become run down. Often times we have mild symptoms that is our first signal that something needs attention, we do not listen to these signals and treat them with drugs and what I would call many of the mainstream medical communities Band-Aids.
This approach often times cover up, mask, and make worse. This in return complicates the healing process to occur naturally, which is already so beautifully designed in our bodies’ ability to heal itself.
There is allot to learn from the intact defense mechanisms as well as healing properties that our bodies already become equipped with. Most of the times we do not listen to the early signals in what our bodies tell us when something is wrong.
Now with in our “Cut and Paste” world that wants a quick fix, often time’s doctors skip most of these prerequisites as well. They don’t ask the simple questions and move on to “the better way”, to what we still call practicing medicine, as we know it today.
The point is learning to read our body and its responses is nothing new that we had already leaned prior to the medical establishments major breakthroughs. But most if not all doctors do practice medicine with the simple approach any more, they are just moving along with the rest of us. This also includes what is happening with our modern science in all its new developments. Often times we jump the gun and elect to get the new and improved, state of the art modern technological procedures, which do not allow our bodies to compensate and repair itself.
The problem is because we have abandoned the simple truths of how the body functions and think all the answers are found in the future. But really we already have most of them within each one of us.
One of the advantages I had prior to being exposed to Dr Sarno’s TMS model was may past history. Experiencing many family members who where either mistreated, misdiagnoses or messed up further by the mainstream medical approach .So I guess that my former programming as to how ineffective they where in properly treating and diagnosing came to my benefit.
But on the other hand we all must take into consideration that what we had previously been exposed to as far as effective treatment. This often can also hinders us from excepting the diagnosis and prevent us from learning how to apply a MBP approach.
Of course many of us already here, had made a connection at least in one of the personality profiles and are more excepting to the TMS diagnosis.
So then the work cut out is for us to understand and apply Doctor Sarno's MBP model, tailoring it to our individual needs as we see the recovery process application working. But as we see this process working we tend to get all caught up in thinking everything is TMS. So we tend to lean towards all of our bodies symptoms must be TMS affiliated and get frustrated that we have no control over them. Again we are abandoning simple principals of the bodies function as it involves the auto immune system.
Like I had said before, what also helped me was As I continued to learn TMS and its function, I also needed to stop thinking ONLY through the eyes of TMS and start to think outside the box about healing in general.
I say this to all including myself, so don’t take it personally as an attack, but please take it personally as an approach to treating TMS any other medical condition as well.
Frankly speaking most of by the time we come to treat TMS we happen to be all over the board and continuing to trust in the mainstream medical community with your condition.
You must learn to educate and trust in your self that your body will always send a message in applying a treatment option. I don’t care what suffix these docs have at the end of their title, because you know more about your medical condition and personal makeup that needs attention. In addition you CARE more about being well than any person who will ever TREAT your condition.
I have learned this experience though treating my son and myself as well. There is so much our bodies will tell us if we would only listen to it as we apply any given treatment option.
Data and lab tests are all great tools, but if we would only learn to read our bodies as we look to obtain optimum health. We need to always keep this in mind when treating specific conditions and we strive towards recovery from any medical condition.
Good luck to all
Kenny V
Always Hope For Recovery
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| kenny V |
Posted - 04/14/2005 : 17:00:03
Placebos are very fascinating to explore yet still mysterious of how they actually work. But I believe most of the medical literature points to change in brain chemistry stating that the mind can affect the body’s biochemistry.
It is still validated in a lot of research that a placebo effect can be as high as 78%- 80% in responders compared to lower than 30-40% in controlled groups. What is really contradictive to this finding is the way we actually practice medicine, pass new drugs use and do medical research. Here is a real winner, a placebo effect can be as high as 70-80%, but it only takes 51% for the FDA to actually approve them for use in medical treatment. I will not go into this BC it is a sore subject with me.
Btw the USA supports over 80% of the medical research around the world. But guess who actually supports the research. Yup you guessed it the major drug companies. Always follow the money trail just like when they solve major crimes. And the drug companies have committed some big crimes that they are covering up BIG TIME right now. Why do you think they pay these high lawsuits or set up funds such as vaccination reaction compensation funds? So they can still make billions while ignoring even what their own research has disclosed. This is what is happening lately and some companies are even fessing up to what is in their own data and studies and recalling a new drugs, so they wont loose the publics trust and they continue to market their drugs.
I don’t have time to get into it but FEAR is the primary SCARE tactic that is being used to promote their agenda. Study the history of vaccinations and disease and health, read the GLOBAL news of what is going on today and you will see that they are the ones that are actually causing the epidemics that we see today. Don’t give me any crap that we have stopped major plagues since the introduction to vaccinations, because just about the same time we developed them we also discovered and taught the importance of sterilization. Remember the scurvy epidemics that broke out when sailing goods around the world was first popular, sailors were dying at epidemic rates yet the medical community would not except that a simple supplement such as vitamin C can save lives.
Don’t get me started I spent over 4 years researching the history of vaccinations and drugs, it took me so far as studying stealth viruses and you don’t want me to go there. FEAR is a major component and actually relates to what we believe and how we process information, This coincides with a mental interpretation of what we were taught whether it is right or wrong. This is a form of (PROGRAMMING). Now you can see how placebos fit it with programming.
Ok back to placebos and how it effects us in relationship to treating and understanding TMS. What I have actually learned that many functions explained can also offer more of an explanation if you invert its process. What I mean by this is if a placebo effect can be so high and it actually alters and changes response in the body than take it up to the next level in the brain which is the main controlling station of the body, continually works on Auto- pilot. It also controls the auto immune system as well as the central nervous system .I believe some there are some interesting things to discover here.
Doctor Sarno never expanded to much on his oxygen depravation theory other than in some type of lab cultures it was found that over stresses muscles where oxygen deprived. Now this does make sense because it is the effect or the result of an underlying condition such as repressed emotions. Just like when we treat an ulcer or heartburn with an antacid we are treating its symptom but often this is only temporary and the condition will still be there. Funny thing is we knew about these conditions 50 years ago and it is in medical literature to be stressed related. Yet if you do a general search on ulcers today you will get the explanation that it has to do with stomach acids and an actual viral that has taken place. Yes it has taken place and there is gastric acids as well as holes in the stomach and small intestine but that is a result not a cause of an underlying condition.
IMO I believe that if the mind can affect the body's biochemistry than that is the effect is what is taken place in the muscle, which also explains why we have the pain or a manifestation.
Not many people accept this because of the pictures, lab tests and the physical symptoms related. So this is no different with being stuck on a visual level dealing with a structural abnormality and excepting a diagnosis of TMS.
How is this related to a placebo? I kind of got side tracked on explaining my own oxygen depravation theory. However I think this is all interrelated. I used chiropractic for over 20 years but never got rid of the pain. At my worst point in life I finally went to have a series of 3 steroid epidermal injections each one, 2 weeks apart. The first one miraculous took my pain away within 15 hours, but only lasted 11 days. The second only lasted 7 days and the third had no effect at all. May I ask why?
In fact they told me after the fist that usually the next one builds upon the last. And many patients are rid of the pain all together, but in the least they will still get 6 months to a year of relief. . But I questioned this as the process went on and never believed they were going to help any more. Thank God two months later someone introduced me to Dr Sarno’s work and after digesting it, I understood that much more the effect and value of a placebo has on our condition.
Ok here is a simple placebo excerpt, possible you can understand a relationship and make a connection with your own condition,
Excerpt from article "The placebo effect"
DON'T try this at home. Several times a day, for several days, you induce pain in someone. You control the pain with morphine until the final day of the experiment, when you replace the morphine with saline solution. Guess what? The saline takes the pain away.
This is the placebo effect: somehow, sometimes, a whole lot of nothing can be very powerful. Except it's not quite nothing. When Fabrizio Benedetti of the University of Turin in Italy carried out the above experiment, he added a final twist by adding naloxone, a drug that blocks the effects of morphine, to the saline. The shocking result? The pain-relieving power of saline solution disappeared.
So what is going on? Doctors have known about the placebo effect for decades, and the naloxone result seems to show that the placebo effect is somehow biochemical. But apart from that, we simply don't know.
Benedetti has since shown that a saline placebo can also reduce tremors and muscle stiffness in people with Parkinson's disease (Nature Neuroscience, vol 7, p 587). He and his team measured the activity of neurons in the patients' brains as they administered the saline. They found that individual neurons in the subthalamic nucleus (a common target for surgical attempts to relieve Parkinson's symptoms) began to fire less often when the saline was given, and with fewer "bursts" of firing - another feature associated with Parkinson's. The neuron activity decreased at the same time as the symptoms improved: the saline was definitely doing something.
We have a lot to learn about what is happening here, Benedetti says, but one thing is clear: the mind can affect the body's biochemistry. "The relationship between expectation and therapeutic outcome is a wonderful model to understand mind-body interaction," he says. Researchers now need to identify when and where placebo works. There may be diseases in which it has no effect. There may be a common mechanism in different illnesses. As yet, we just don't know.
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| miehnesor |
Posted - 04/12/2005 : 13:17:07
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Originally posted by kenny V
I was dealing with many issues from a child, however, went through a traumatic experience which was my first trigger to my TMS back pain. And than as an adult it went into full force and Anger became the biggest culprit.
Think of it like going through the stages of remorse dealing with a death.
You go through the denial, anger, grief, the why me? The despair, Guilt and much fear. But if you haven’t made peace in all these areas than you haven’t grieved the loss properly. Which makes it hard to move on.
Does this make sense?
Kenny- thx for the details. Yep i'm finding that anger (more like repressed rage) is the main event in my case as well.
I am quite familiar with the grieving process and was actually thinking of posting on the subject because i've been going through this process pretty intensely over the last 10 months or so. I think i've discovered most of the hidden secrets of my inner child and am now in practice mode to continue to try and feel the emotion. I've got a feeling that the big TMS elephant is moving. |
| kenny V |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 18:16:03
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Did you have to actually feel the repressed emotion to heal your TMS or did you use other approaches that others have shared on this forum or did you do something different. I'm curious because your history is probably more like mine than anyone else I’ve ever met.
I was dealing with many issues from a child, however, went through a traumatic experience which was my first trigger to my TMS back pain. And than as an adult it went into full force and Anger became the biggest culprit.
No one is any different here as far as finding the magic in applying Sarno’s work.
It all works the same in theory. (If you have TMS my friend, you are no different)
You don’t have any special case that can’t obtain some sort of recovery.
However each one of us does have a distinct makeup. And so it is with our conditions as well as the underlying root of the emotions we are repressing. Of course this must be done more on a personal level and should be explored to understand its purpose and function in our lives.
‘Truth” is not taught it is discovered, Learn the TMS theory but discover its purpose in your own life.
I am a visual learner so In my own case I needed to understand the theory more visually to apply it, so I worked on understanding the physical component first.
And when I isolated most of the physical connections and discovered my patterns to the way I did not allow my body to relax, long term conditioning, etc. Than I came so far in my recovery and had no choice than to explore the emotional component.
So yea I guess I felt it. ……… It but it was releasing it that I believe finally broke it’s cycle.
Here is an illustration I will use I hope this helps.
Think of it like going through the stages of remorse dealing with a death.
You go through the denial, anger, grief, the why me? The despair, Guilt and much fear. But if you haven’t made peace in all these areas than you haven’t grieved the loss properly. Which makes it hard to move on.
Does this make sense?
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Oops - did it again. Didn't check my email first. Still curious about whether you had to experience the feelings. Also I’m a bit unclear about the spiritual healing that you refer to. Maybe you can explain that one. Thx
Yes I had experienced them, but this might not be the same for all. This was a personal experience for me.
IMO I believe it is essential but in Doctor Sarno’s books don’t go into detail in this area.
I was at a point where I recovered so far, and knew that I needed to release this. I had reached out to a friend that was a psychiatrist as well as a counselor but he wasn’t available in my time of crisis. But this actually ended up for the better because I was left to discover this within myself.
Well that’s pretty much what I did through heavy-duty journaling. I called it “cleaning out my closet” and “making peace with my past”.
If go back to the archives on this board under my profile look under total posts (non-archive posts), maybe some posts on journaling might explain better.
Perhaps the old forum might be about the time I made my connection, March 04. I believe you can do a word search. Now as far as the spiritual part, Doctor Sarno does not discuss this in his books so it is pretty much considered off topic and out of place here. However I tried to explain that I had made a mind/body/ spirit discovery at that time and it did not go to well on the forum. There are many books on the subject search and you will find them.
HTH
Kenny V
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| miehnesor |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 14:26:42
Oops - did it again. Didn't check my email first. Still curious about whether you had to experience the feelings. Also i'm a bit unclear about the spiritual healing that you refer to. Maybe you can explain that one. Thx |
| miehnesor |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 14:17:55
Did you have to actually feel the repressed emotion to heal your TMS or did you use other approaches that others have shared on this forum or did you do something different. I'm curious because your history is probably more like mine than anyone else i've ever met. |
| kenny V |
Posted - 04/11/2005 : 00:10:35
would anyone want entertain one of these as a topic?
Placebos
Diagnosis
Programming
Conditioning
Faith in healing
Repressed emotions
Emotions and their function
Auto immune system
Programmed response
Fight and flight
Drugs and side effects, blockers and enhancers.
What makes them work or not work?
What causes different side effects?
Body chemistry and it’s healing properties.
The bodies own ability to combat pain.
The bodies own ability to create pain.
Brain chemicals in relationship to the body.
Always Hope For Recovery
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| kenny V |
Posted - 04/07/2005 : 19:14:01
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So when I looked at Sarno’s work and read his books I highlighted many of what I call DEFINITIONS that explain it’s theory. I studied each definition by itself to understand it, the way HE was writing and explaining its theory. Than as I applied it to my self I was actually TESTING it to cross check his work.
It was very effective but also painful, in all of its discoveries about my own personal makeup.
I consider this a syndrome as Dr Sarno explains it. And I am most confident with the MBP approach it has not been a placebo effect because its application still coincides with his theory.
Ok these are the definitions that I was referring to that helped me refine my own MBP approach, and like I said we are all different and must learn them, discover them and apply them as they relate to us individually. And as we gain more success in its application we can apply a MBP in a personal way.
I hope this might stir up some growth as well as a benefit for topical discussion on the TMS forum.
I believe in doctor Sarno’s work, have suffered for over 22 years with major back pain which 5 of them was pretty much 24/7. After applying his work to my own condition I discovered many things about healing and broke the pain cycle.
Dr Sarno has studied pain for over 30 years and has written 3 books on the subject, however many connections he has made in the material which was written is nothing new to what was already disclosed in the medical Literature. He just happened to bring it together in one place conveniently for us to examine and make a mind body connection. He also gave it a name for us to identify, believe and understand in definition of a particular syndrome.
What I was suggesting was exploring its principles, which explain the theory as a topical subject. This would help many to expand on their working knowledge, while identifying with its application in their own condition.
Kind of discovering the working principles while reinforcing on all the methodology what was written in his books.
HTH
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| marytabby |
Posted - 04/07/2005 : 17:08:08
Hi Kenny,
I read your thread. I am unclear as to whether you are advocating TMS's principles or you are not. In layman's terms, can you say what your position is? I am new to TMS and am learning a lot on this board. Thanx |
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