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| Singer_Artist |
Posted - 08/03/2013 : 14:27:46
Now this is a new one for me..I have never had shoulder/arm issues in my life! I do believe it started as a real injury, but I can feel TMS kicking in and I want to nip it in the bud and get some support/ideas from my friends and fellow TMSer's here at the forum.
My 138 pound dog pulled me toward a rabbit and I pushed myself up with one arm from the floor. Either one of these incidences was the cause of the 'injury' almost 2 wks ago now. At the time of both of these incidences I did not feel any pain or hear any popping sound. It was the next day that the sharp pain in my left upper arm on the outside began. It has progressed and now the other arm is also hurting as well as both shoulders. It's hard to sleep and I try my best to sleep on my back which is also difficult.
I did the ice, rest thing as much as I could. I had a singing gig where I needed to play tambourine and I had a couple glasses of wine and ignored the pain which made it worse. I am doing part time singing for several bands on the wkends and working, believe it or not, as a chiropractic assistant during the day. It was the chiro I work for who told me it was not my arm, but rotator cuff. He tested a couple of things and said he didn't think it was torn..but instead a sprain/strain. Whatever it is it hurts like heck is is very disabling. I am having to ask neighbors to help me walk my dog and I cannot lift anything w/ weight.
I am hoping that the fact that it didn't hurt at the time of the incident is also proof I don't have a serious injury or tear.
As for stress, I have a ton! Late May I started the new job, moved again (6 times in 2 yrs after the death of my brother and 2 dogs in Vegas and the loss of my home there). And a few days later on June 2nd (two weeks b4 my birthday my boyfriend broke up w/ me.) I had the worst bday of my life and this Summer has been tough w/ some fun moments here and there. I am finally making some friends in this area and the heartbreak isn't keeping me awake at night. There is much anger and grief over losing my boyfriend. I love him very much. We are both at 'fault' for the demise of the relationship. The break up spanned some 6 weeks and was emotionally tough on us both. Myself and friends feel that if I handled it better by letting him go and giving him space, we might have gotten back together by now. I viewed him, unconsciously as my new family, replacing my Vegas family that I lost tragically.
So, yes, TMS can sure find many excuses for kicking in right now. Oh, I forgot to mention that in May I broke and badly sprained my ankle and had to pay out of pocket for PT! What a year!
I know this is a lot to take in..hoping for some support, encouragement and suggestions. (don't want to get frozen shoulder by babying it too much, but also don't want to make it worse because there is an injury too) I am off to go do an out of town gig and there might be delays in my replies if anyone writes to me..I'll check again in an hour b4 I leave.. I will not be playing the tambourine tonight, that is for sure.. Thanks for listening!
Hugs to all,
K
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| Singer_Artist |
Posted - 08/11/2013 : 19:00:06
Hey Plum,
It's definitely more important to HEAL than to be Right in my book! My shoulders are getting better but now my index finger has been hurting..geez louise!! It is the finger that was run over by a sled when I was a kid and never looked normal again..It's bigger than my other fingers and a big crooked. So,i am worrying about the big A..'arthritis'..yikes..never felt a concern about that one b4..My diet has been crapola lately..very acidic..i am sure that isn't helping..My back, feet and other areas have been dying to let TMS take over in place of the shoulder..it's utterly amazing how it moves around!! stubborn little bugger, indeed! I do have a ton of stress right now..might have to move again..yikes! long story there!
Hugs,
K |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 08/11/2013 : 11:09:46
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Originally posted by NextAdventure
Tom
...Wrong again but pedantic as usual...and dangerous Tom!!! Hours spent with the right arm extended “mousing” rotates the humorous forward in the glenoid where is comes into contact with the acromion and does micro tears to several soft tissue areas. The rotator cuff micro-tears from over compensation as can the traps.
...As a FYI there is now case law the allows people to sue forum posters that cause pain and suffering or other damages due to incorrect information.
...Beware what you tell people – you are totally traceable and tort cases are costly.
...The only people more dangerous than doctors are know-it-all forum Gods...self elected!!!
Well my friend N/A Ric,
I have profited immensely from all the free advice I've regurgitated here--and with an additional $2.99 I can purchase a can of the cheap Penn tennis balls--(BTW, I've instructed the US Treasury to transfer my valuable pre-WWII, true copper penny collection, from FT. Knox to the Grand Caymans. Unfortunately this will have the consequence of driving up the cost of purchasing anti-arthritis copper bracelets--as seen on TV--.)
I've consulted with my team of attorneys and we've decided if WE are ever sued for tennis malpractice, we would counter sue on the grounds of HILARITY, demanding a mistrial. BTW, the "humerus" bone, you are referring to, is NOT spelled "HUMOROUS"--but it is in close proximity to the FUNNY BONE, perhaps leading to your confusion. Be careful you and "yourselves" are not TORTING, by way of illiterary medical NEGLIGENCE. It would be wise at this juncture to heed the admonition of my goof friend, and fellow tennis player, Samuel Clemens: "Be careful of what you read in a medical book, you may die of a misprint." Have a chat with your editors, they may be overdoing the medical maryjane.
As an aside, and due to your generous warning, it made me wonder if the Good Doctor had ever been sued for medical malpractice and the outcomes of those actions if any? I'll check with SteveO since he is in touch with Dr. Sarno in his retirement.
As far as being accused of PENDANTRY, that was quite a shocker to me, BUT thanks for the compliment. It's been a while since my college days and I thought I knew what it meant, but looked it up anyway.
Here's the def:
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"pedantic -
Characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for book learning and formal rules: a pedantic attention to details."
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Given your allopathic description of how the shoulder can be injured due to over-exuberant mousing, I believe you are PROJECTING.
So we've decided, if faced with a SLAP SUIT, attempting to infringe on our FREEDOM OF SPEECH, alleging the giving of incorrect tennis advice, on an INTERNET MESSAGE BOARDC, we would counter sue for BARITRY, HARASSMENT, citing long standing case law in Nolan vs. Dolan, and Koontz vs St. Johns River Water Management District. We would exercise our Fifth Amendment Constitutional rights, instituting our PULLMAN ABSTENTION, requesting a SUMMARY JUDGEMENT by the court in our behalf and concurrently file a cross complaint for all court costs and personal medical expenses due to incurring yet un-specified (but predictable) TMS caused stress PSYCHOSOMATIC "injuries". The money judgement we receive, from winning the cross-complaint, WE will donate to the Wagreens/AMA Foundation for researching the efficacy of OTC's, and RX's versus Voo-Doo, on eradicating the scourge of chronic tennis elbow in third world countries.
And Ric, thanks for the heads-up on being traceable on the internet, I would have never thought of that, it almost makes me feel paranoid--so let me make it easier for anyone to contact me to discuss Tennis/TMS, or String Theory and it's impacts on the funny bone, here's my cell: 415.264.4090.
Cheers,
tt/lsmft
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| plum |
Posted - 08/10/2013 : 03:24:54
Possessing an intellegent, inquiring mind is a beautiful gift. Skepticism has it's place. However it is interesting to note that despite the fact that such smart people can pick holes and point out countless ways in which a theory is baloney, they have not healed, they have not provided a stunner of a success story.
Sometimes you have to get out of your own way. It does well to recognise that it is your mind, your thoughts and perceptions that have created and are maintaining the problem.
Is it more important to heal or be *right*? |
| Singer_Artist |
Posted - 08/09/2013 : 12:15:50
NextAdventure,
There is no reason to threaten Tom..He has a good heart and is here trying to help people. He is not trying to diagnose anyone just following the principles of TMS. If you don't agree w/ these principles and ways of approaching healing then perhaps you should re think being here.
sdiddy,
All I know is that the body was designed to heal..as Dr. Sarno says we are not so fragile, not made of glass. Our bodies have self healing mechanisms built in by God. Of course we all have injured ourselves at one time or another..but..when an injury continues on far after the 'normal' recovery time than TMS is suspect..:) |
| sdiddy |
Posted - 08/09/2013 : 11:16:29
I am dealing with the same issue myself for over 1 year now (see my posts). Mine has improved a lot since I have focused on TMS and stoped seeing physical therapists and doctors and just focused on the mind, but it still hurts during activity like basketball, golf, etc. The worst is if I try to do any weight lifting, it gets very inflamed and hurts for a couple days. I am not sure what to do about it.
I feel like there is an actual injury there and there was TMS too, making it much worse, and I have rid that area of the TMS but the inflammation/tear/whatever is still there. I dont know any other way to explain why it doesnt hurt throughout the day anymore, but only when I play sports or lift weights.
Any ideas?? |
| Back2-It |
Posted - 08/09/2013 : 07:48:06
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Originally posted by NextAdventure
The only people more dangerous than doctors are know-it-all forum Gods...self elected!!!
Well, then, "doctor", know thyself and do no harm.
"Bridges Freeze Before Roads" |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 08/09/2013 : 00:22:14
Ric, You've got me trembling in my boots. I forced you to keep on mousin', HA, HA, HA. There are two sites on the planet dedicated to TMS and you have to come here destroying people's HOPE. Right, like this is the first place that people have come to for a dx for their pain. How's that motorhome of yours, still sitting in the driveway? There's thousands of pain sites on the planet, so what do you do, go to all the others and tell them it's all in their heads and to read Sarno? See ya' in court. |
| NextAdventure |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 22:09:43
Tom
Wrong again but pedantic as usual...and dangerous Tom!!! Hours spent with the right arm extended “mousing” rotates the humorous forward in the glenoid where is comes into contact with the acromion and does micro tears to several soft tissue areas. The rotator cuff micro-tears from over compensation as can the traps.
As a FYI there is now case law the allows people to sue forum posters that cause pain and suffering or other damages due to incorrect information. You can relate what worked for you but when you make suggestions for treatment or non-treatment you are culpable.
Beware what you tell people – you are totally traceable and tort cases are costly.
The only people more dangerous than doctors are know-it-all forum Gods...self elected!!! |
| Singer_Artist |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 09:53:24
"The body is strong, it's the mind that is weak." I love that, T! Thanks for the advice NextAdventure but I really don't think mine is a tear because nothing violent enough happened to cause an actual tear, sprain/strain...yes..but now it's TMS I am battling. My dog pulling me was a strain, he is 138lbs..but it didn't hurt at all at the time it actually occurred..It started later that night/the next day and got worse. I think w/ a tear you feel something at the time it happens.. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 08:56:12
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Originally posted by NextAdventure
I have a rotator cuff tear from poor posture sitting at a computer all day....and a lifetime of athletics.
Nice try Ric--BUT--that is so antithetical to TMS it's FUNNY! You can NOT get a rotator cuff tear from POOR POSTURE--a bogus concept in itself and also contrary to the teachings of the Good Doctor--maybe if you AND and your computer fell out of a 4th story window landing on your shoulder. I have a "lifetime of athletics" too and am still in the game for life. I'm on the courts everyday, about to go out to play, and know lots of senior players who competing hard into their 90's and Ken Beer who played until dying at 102, hitting on a make-shift back-board at the senior home to keep tuned-up and his family taking him down to the club.
Too bad your wife didn't come to me for some coaching on proper technique, maybe she wouldn't have given up on the game. Hitting the ball wrong can make your arm sore but worse, makes the game mentally frustrating doing things in opposition to gravity, not being able to feel the joy and process of improvement, developing to one's fullest mindbody potential.
I dare say your wife's injury is more due to a combination of poor technique AND TMS. Has she thought of starting over, using her opposite arm, like Nadal does? I know a number of players who have switched arms and getting some proper coaching on how to create sound tennis strokes. I recently hit with a pro who played left handed to make matches with club players more competitive.
I just hit a basket of serves to a 15 year old kid the other day, hundreds of balls for over an hour, and my arm was a little sore afterwards but I'm not "crippled". You could say my right hip is "crippled" due to "arthritis"--(whatever that is?)--but I still play everyday for hours. The body is strong, it's the mind that's weak.
Chees,
tt/lsmft
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TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox
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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod =================================================
TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Dr. Sarno is now retired, if you call this number you will be referred to his associate Dr. Rashbaum.
"...there are so many things little and big that are tms, I wouldn't have time to write about all of them": Told to icelikeaninja by Dr. Sarno
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
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| NextAdventure |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 08:12:33
I have a rotator cuff tear from poor posture sitting at a computer all day....and a lifetime of athletics.
I have had an MRI and an ultrasound and the tissue is damaged.
If I subscribed to the TMS - just forget it mantra I would be in surgery.
Not everything is one color - physical defects are not TMS. Before anyone buys the TMS as sole cause have tests done. You can damage yourself and never heal.
My wife continued to play tennis after an elbow injury and she is damn near crippled in that arm and it has been 25 years |
| Singer_Artist |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 07:15:38
Thanks Birdie..:)
Well here's a bit of good news for my fellow TMSer friends..I am improving. The hives went away, the arms are feeling better..still not 100% and I am only gradually increasing activity as Dr. Sarno recommends. The weird pain in my abdomen is gone too..(thanks Back2it!)I am saying affirmations a lot and praying a lot as well. Also reminding myself that I am not made of GLASS..that is a big one..
Hugs to all,
Karen |
| Birdie78 |
Posted - 08/07/2013 : 15:03:12
Oh, just see I was censored...oops sry for the bad word.
Singerartist, glad the example helped a bit.
Kind regards from Germany sends Birdie |
| Singer_Artist |
Posted - 08/07/2013 : 14:53:06
Thanks Birdie...I know you are right..The reminder about someone w/ a broken arm really helped!
Hugs,
K |
| Birdie78 |
Posted - 08/07/2013 : 12:55:41
Singer Artists
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really sounds like typical TMS to me. When I "tms"-ed my right elbow and shoulder it shifted to the left side, too. Of course I thought that was because of compensation. But that's bull**** (sorry). All people with a broken arm use the other hand/leg for a few weeks and none of them injured the other hand due to "compensation" or overuse!
I can understand to 100% what's going on in your mind. It's the "what if....-anxious thing" that makes it worse. I am in the same place. Knowing on a very intelectual level what's going on but still fearing the symptoms (especially new ones). No wonder the TMS is still with me...
Kind regards from Germany sends Birdie |
| Singer_Artist |
Posted - 08/06/2013 : 20:04:41
Sorry to bring this up to the top again, but something happened tonight and I need to talk about it a bit..I brought Kaya (w/ the help of a friend) to a Law of Attraction class a friend teaches..Kaya is a very strong 140lbs wolf-dog..he doesn't realize his own strength. Since my left arm was 'injured' when he pulled me toward the rabbit I have been using my right arm as compensation and there has been pain in that arm too. That is the arm I paint w/ and hold the microphone..So, when this arm hurts the fear is deeper.
Tonight Kaya gave me his paw very intensely as a way of 'thanking me' for bringing him w/ me. I was at work all day and he didn't see me..Normally that doesn't hurt but his leg is very heavy..Well, just afterwards while still in class it did start to hurt and it continues..So now I am talking to my brain and telling it to STOP making me feel like a piece of GLASS..so darn fragile..I don't want to think I have a real injury or tear in a tendon/shoulder etc..this is soooo annoying..So I thought I would write about it b4 it takes over..
Hugs,
K |
| Singer_Artist |
Posted - 08/04/2013 : 10:33:03
Hey Tom,
I could not find that Koban ace anywhere I looked..The good news is I don't need it now anyway for the ankle..:) I appreciate your candidness and putting me in my place regarding my thinking on this..I have been saying affirmations almost continuously today because I am so stressed about everything.
Hugs,
K |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 08/04/2013 : 09:25:35
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Originally posted by Singer_Artist
...I actually didn't think about it at all afterwards, however. It wasn't til the next day when I felt sharp pain in my left arm that I started wondering.
...I think some soft tissue injuries can kick in the next day or two after happening.
...So, I think there might have been a real sprain/strain (not a tear because that probably would have hurt in the moment it happened)..
NO! This goes contrary to TMS thinking. Dr. Sarno preaches that the body is STRONG! It's the mind that's weak. When you really injure yourself you KNOW it then and there. My shoulder "hurt" starting about two weeks ago. I kept hitting tennis balls and swimming, not feeling anything doing those activities. I thought of it as TMS. It has faded away, yesterday I noticed it was gone.
Chiro, Reiki and EMDR are contrary to TMS thinking also. You are getting some stress relief from them so they won't hurt you invasively, but won't help you reach your core TMS issues. You may get some emotional benefit depending on the empathy the practitioner shows you.
Did you ever buy one of those Koban ace style bandages I recommended to you for your sprained ankle?
G'luck! |
| Singer_Artist |
Posted - 08/04/2013 : 07:24:24
PS...and you are so right..When I sing I am 100% in the present and happy. Being in the Now is very important, indeed! And doing what you love is as well..I would love to leave my day job and sing full time..hoping this will come. I also haven't painted since leaving NJ in January and I miss it. Just haven't been in the right frame of mind and that is something one cannot force... |
| Singer_Artist |
Posted - 08/04/2013 : 07:21:17
Thanks so much, Back2It..I am actually seeing a counselor now, but not sure if she has been thru what I have been thru w/ TMS, etc. She is good though and it is helping me deal w/ the heart break especially. That was the reason I began to see her, initially. I would go more often but I have to pay out of pocket. I had gotten an acupuncturist to do a trade for one of my paintings so that I get free, but I have to pay the therapist. She incorporates Reiki and other healing modalities like EMDR as well. I like her.
I have also been thinking about the mind body connection in the way Louise Hay discusses in her book "You can heal your life." Interestingly, shoulder/arm pain is supposed to indicated feelings of being alone, isolated and rejected! That is dead on, especially since I moved to a brand new state knowing no one but my boyfriend and now he is gone. Thank God I am making friends here now..I still feel isolated and alone in a lot of ways though because I am not close to my family..That is a whole other story..
Hugs,
K |
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