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| ilovegizmo |
Posted - 05/20/2013 : 07:53:00
I actually saw Dr. Sarno in 2002. Almost a year to the day my brother was killed in the World Trade Center attacks on 9/11 I woke up with chronic back pain. I had never had any back pain before this time. I had many orthopedic surgeons tell me I needed immediate spine surgery due to the findings that I had spondylolesthesis. The pain got worse by the day but thankfully I found Dr. Sarno and with a half hour meeting I walked out of his office and never had back pain again. Until now. My dog suddenly came down with a disc disease and I've been having to carry him up and down the stairs 3 to 4 times a day to let him go potty. He's 22 pounds which isn't that heavy but I'm a 5 foot zero girl and I weight about 118 pounds. My back is starting to kill me and I'm getting nervous about my back which I know according to Sarno should not be hurting me even if I am lifting. I'm trying to tell myself that I am repressing being upset over my dogs condition but I just don't know. After being told by all of those surgeons that if I didn't have surgery I would become incapicitated as an adult and I should wear high heels and this and that...I went on to become a dancer and lived in heels and danced in heels every day for the next 8 years with NO PAIN EVER. So why should I be experiencing this pain now??? |
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| ilovegizmo |
Posted - 05/20/2013 : 12:26:27
yes you are absolutely right. i was just so surprised that i have been feeling pain because the doctors told me years ago that i should never wear high heels or exercise or anything and as i mentioned i went on to becoming a salsa dancer (hobby) and danced every single day for hours. I didn't let the fear into my body then and for all of those years. So I don't know why I'm letting it get into me now. but i am certainly going to nip it in the bud. so glad i found this forum and that so many people still know about Sarno.quote:
Originally posted by dgreen97
this is still really interesting to me quote:
Your back may be a little sore from lifting and subconsciously you resent having to do the task. Your TMS is the volume control for the pain and is amplifying it as a distraction from getting angry and showing it.
how TMS amplifies the pain and kind of "tricks" you in a way making you think you're hurt again. i think what may have happened like tom said is that when you were lifting you dog up and down the stairs your back was a little sore from it and those past triggers from the chronic back pain you had came back. the fear set into your mind and the cycle began again so nipping this in the bud right away is a good idea. dont want to get trapped in that fear-adrenaline-fear cycle again with the pain.
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| ilovegizmo |
Posted - 05/20/2013 : 12:22:23
OMG thank you so much for this because that is EXACTLY what I started thinking!! That if it is real in my dog why shouldn't it be real in me?? I've been trying to just push those thoughts out of my head because if I continue to think about it I know I will continue experiencing pain...although of course that question is still in my head. Perhaps there is an answer? Did you ever find an answer to this? quote:
Originally posted by dgreen97
this is still really interesting to me quote:
Your back may be a little sore from lifting and subconsciously you resent having to do the task. Your TMS is the volume control for the pain and is amplifying it as a distraction from getting angry and showing it.
how TMS amplifies the pain and kind of "tricks" you in a way making you think you're hurt again. i think what may have happened like tom said is that when you were lifting you dog up and down the stairs your back was a little sore from it and those past triggers from the chronic back pain you had came back. the fear set into your mind and the cycle began again so nipping this in the bud right away is a good idea. dont want to get trapped in that fear-adrenaline-fear cycle again with the pain.
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| dgreen97 |
Posted - 05/20/2013 : 11:45:45
this is still really interesting to me quote:
Your back may be a little sore from lifting and subconsciously you resent having to do the task. Your TMS is the volume control for the pain and is amplifying it as a distraction from getting angry and showing it.
how TMS amplifies the pain and kind of "tricks" you in a way making you think you're hurt again. i think what may have happened like tom said is that when you were lifting you dog up and down the stairs your back was a little sore from it and those past triggers from the chronic back pain you had came back. the fear set into your mind and the cycle began again so nipping this in the bud right away is a good idea. dont want to get trapped in that fear-adrenaline-fear cycle again with the pain. |
| icelikeaninja |
Posted - 05/20/2013 : 11:30:07
Gizmo,
As a New Yorker I can relate with what you are dealing with. I have seen Sarno as well and it took me alot longer to get over the TMS than you.
I had often had doubts when my dogs back legs gave out. I had to put him down two years ago and I have not really experienced the emotion of this. Plus the vets saying everything structural is wrong with him and I relate it to my situation and say " If dogs suffer with back/leg pain from disc stuff what makes me so different"? Usually I just look at my old journals about how I recovered from TMS and that is what keeps me going. Six years no pain so it confirms that I am fine when I get a twinge.
Life gets in the way and causes us not to feel certain things which brings on pain.
When we dont have tms issues for awhile we tend to forget how we got better in the first place especially when new symptoms appear.
Healing Back Pain was probably the best book I related to.
Try doing the journal stuff as well. I am also hearing so many good things about the newer TMS authors who are on this board.
Sarno is retired and we must remember that as everyone keeps his legacy that newer methods will come up that will hopfully assure people that they have tms and find faster ways to recover.
The good Doctor was only the beginning in our generation. |
| ilovegizmo |
Posted - 05/20/2013 : 10:55:22
I definitely did think of that. "Crazy" thing happened...last night I cried for the first time in a long while. Over the death of my brother and how upset I am that this has happened to my dog. And today guess what..I have no pain! I needed to release and I released the tension from my back. Sarno for life!quote:
Originally posted by gigalos
hi gizmo,
just a hunch, but could the disc disease of your dog have triggered some sort of doubt about your own back?
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 05/20/2013 : 09:01:29
quote:
Originally posted by ilovegizmo
I actually saw Dr. Sarno in 2002. Almost a year to the day my brother was killed in the World Trade Center attacks on 9/11 I woke up with chronic back pain.
...thankfully I found Dr. Sarno and with a half hour meeting I walked out of his office and never had back pain again.
...I've been having to carry him up and down the stairs 3 to 4 times a day to let him go potty. He's 22 pounds which isn't that heavy but I'm a 5 foot zero girl and I weight about 118 pounds.
...I'm getting nervous about my back which I know according to Sarno should not be hurting me even if I am lifting.
...told by all of those surgeons that if I didn't have surgery I would become incapicitated as an adult...
...So why should I be experiencing this pain now???
WOW, GREAT TMS STORY! It's your story that all the doubters, TMS nit-pickers, and anti-"fundamentalists" need to hear. That's why I recommend going to see a TMS doctor right off, it's the fastest way to "recovery"--if you believe in doctors. It worked for you for eight years--you are the PROOF. You did all the things that the surgeons said you shouldn't and couldn't.
EIGHT YEARS is damn good! You need a TMS BOOSTER to reintstill your TMS BELIEF, that lifting your dog will not hurt your back requiring surgery. Dr. Sarno says, "If something was too heavy to lift, you couldn't lift it." You still think of the huge tragedy of 9/11, it's the first thing you mentioned and rightfully so, it's a day that will live in infamy, and it will be in your TMS reservoir of rage for life.
Your back may be a little sore from lifting and subconsciously you resent having to do the task. Your TMS is the volume control for the pain and is amplifying it as a distraction from getting angry and showing it.
If you think you need more reassurance then a message board can provide, call Dr. Sarno's old number for a referral, since he's retired or read one of the newest TMS books by SteveO or Nichol Sachs, who spoke at Dr. Sarno's group meetings and now practices TMS psychotherapy in Delaware.
Thanks for sharing your story and g'luck!
tt
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| gigalos |
Posted - 05/20/2013 : 08:10:24
hi gizmo,
just a hunch, but could the disc disease of your dog have triggered some sort of doubt about your own back? |
