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maccafan |
Posted - 03/27/2013 : 09:33:22 Just recieced an email through this forum from john10 - johnwei03@yahoo.pl It says...
Hello, Can you assist me to transfer funds into your account and help me to invest in your country or any part of the world. Please let me know so that I can detail you more. My Regards, John Wei
I changed my profile and removed my email address so this couldn't happen again. Pissed me off.
Has this happened to anyone else on the forum?
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NicoleSachsLCSW |
Posted - 04/01/2013 : 14:21:22 Oh my goodness. Yes, I have 5 kids and a busy job. And yes, it's hard for me to find even a moment here and there to visit this forum or any other. Having said this, I am floored by this debate.
I have only one thing to contribute:
Acid does more damage to the vessel in which it is stored, than that on which it is poured. Lovely people - thank you for defending my integrity to a group who might never know that I came here initially with such innocence and peace. I had, literally, no clue what i was "in for." My only experience of the Sarno community has been one of loving kindness and acceptance. The years I spent with Dr. Sarno and his patients, we were always a team. Everyone simply wanted to grow kindness and promote healing. This forum was not what I expected. Then again, life lessons are important. And I learned a big one here.
Just know this: if you want to be out of pain, I will help you. Your kindness will lead the way. The ones who choose anger will choose their own fate.
Much love and Happy Passover and Easter to you all.
-n.
uote]Originally posted by tennis tom
Sweet dreams my friend.
Bryan, you're TMS "distracted" with me and don't have a shred of evidence to back up any of your slanderous attacks on me. I've asked you to prove a word of it and you haven't and you cant. You make this up out of whole cloth, your Hollyweird fiction writing skills are evident, save it for the Brown Derby. I'm protected by the TRUTH while you are naked for anyone to see through. It's only a message board, I suggest you spend your time with your family rather then wasting your time and more importantly your mindbody energy writing fiction about me. You are getting very boring, saying the same thing over and over again, I'll just keep copying this post to you when ever you continue your Joe MacCarthy lies.
quote: Originally posted by tennis tom
Sweet dreams my friend.
Bryan, you're TMS "distracted" with me and don't have a shred of evidence to back up any of your slanderous attacks on me. I've asked you to prove a word of it and you haven't and you cant. You make this up out of whole cloth, your Hollyweird fiction writing skills are evident, save it for the Brown Derby. I'm protected by the TRUTH while you are naked for anyone to see through. It's only a message board, I suggest you spend your time with your family rather then wasting your time and more importantly your mindbody energy writing fiction about me. You are getting very boring, saying the same thing over and over again, I'll just keep copying this post to you when ever you continue your Joe MacCarthy lies.
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Embrace your Truth, Create your Life. |
tennis tom |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 23:57:33 Sweet dreams my friend.
Bryan, you're TMS "distracted" with me and don't have a shred of evidence to back up any of your slanderous attacks on me. I've asked you to prove a word of it and you haven't and you cant. You make this up out of whole cloth, your Hollyweird fiction writing skills are evident, save it for the Brown Derby. I'm protected by the TRUTH while you are naked for anyone to see through. It's only a message board, I suggest you spend your time with your family rather then wasting your time and more importantly your mindbody energy writing fiction about me. You are getting very boring, saying the same thing over and over again, I'll just keep copying this post to you when ever you continue your Joe MacCarthy lies.
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bryan3000 |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 23:32:02 Good lord, did you go back and revise and add to this rant 8 hours later?? Lol!! Wow man. Just wow. Now you're claiming to have "saved threads" (lol) because I told you your ISP can be traced for your rants about people's race and children?
You seriously need help man.
Btw, still going to post my opinions here. Your personal attacks and goofy threats won't stop that.
G'night :) |
tennis tom |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 15:46:54 quote: Originally posted by bryan3000
Hey get a room you two.
Hey BroBryan, I've got a room for you too, and it's well padded. You're a genius of character assassination, you must be a speech writer for politicians. Did you write speeches for Gray Davis's recall election? Libel on the internet, fortunately I've saved all the threads just for that possibility--including the one you had Dave erase with all the evidence. If you're attorney likes you at all, upon discovery, he will advise you to give me an apology for your libels against me and hope I accept it. If I were you, I would plead temporary insanity. Really, a law suit over an internet pissing match, it would be thrown out of court on a summary judgment and you could be charged with barratry and all court costs. Remember, "If the glove don't fit you can't convict."
Bryan, you're TMS "distracted" with me and don't have a shred of evidence to back up any of your slanderous attacks on me. I've asked you to prove a word of it and you haven't and you cant. You make this up out of whole cloth, your Hollyweird fiction writing skills are evident, save it for the Brown Derby. I'm protected by the TRUTH while you are naked for anyone to see through. It's only a message board, I suggest you spend your time with your family rather then wasting your time and more importantly your mindbody energy writing fiction about me. You are getting very boring, saying the same thing over and over again, I'll just keep copying this post to you when ever you continue your Joe MacCarthy lies.
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bryan3000 |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 15:17:54 Hey get a room you two. Lol! just kidding
Easter has been awesome, Tom. Thanks for asking buddy. :)
See, we can all have opinios! No need to attack kids or religion!
Peace out! |
maccafan |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 15:04:19 Tennis Tom,
Thanks, I appreciate it. Enjoy that hot tub and have a martooni for me too. 
Maccafan |
tennis tom |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 14:58:27 Bryan, I think you need to take some Valium and curl up with your Claire Weekes or Sarno if you haven't sold them all yet.
Have a nice Easter, tt
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS: www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ : http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox ======================================================
"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod =================================================
TMS PRACTITIONERS: John Sarno, MD 400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016 (212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum: http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki: http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).: http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
tennis tom |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 14:54:09 Maccafan, don't feel any guilt about this, you have done nothing wrong here, as the saying goes, "Let no good deed go unpunished." I'm sure Nicole will not be damaged by this absurdity at a very obscure message board, although I'm sure she was a little taken aback by that kind of weird unwelcome antagonistic reception she received at a place dedicated to the works and teachings of Dr. Sarno, who she was closely associated with for many years. This board is un-moderated, so anyone can say whatever they want, (until you know who goes running to the mod). Like that great movie, "KING OF HEARTS", the inmates are running this asylum, and it sometimes imitates life in the outside world with all it's TMS creating absurdity.
Have a nice Easter, and no worries, tt |
bryan3000 |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 14:42:17 quote: Originally posted by tennis tom
God your stupid
"Your" stupid, eh Tom? "Your" stupid? LOL!!!!!!! Great start, buddy.
I'm aware what German is, Tom. And yes, your affront to all races living there by qualifying them as a bunch of ignorant Nazi's falls right in line with your insensitive attacks on people's kids, religions, etc.
Everyone here has witnessed you running people off the board, attacking people using their marriages and children in addition to the above offenses. You used tactics so classless, the moderator had to step in and erase threads... probably because he was worried about liability issues surrounding you attacking people's children, etc.
Anyway, Tom... we can disagree on TMS topics all we want. But, you should have enough respect for Dave and the community not to attack children, or make insensitive attacks on groups of people because you're not getting your way.
You haven't seen me go after your family or lifestyle, nor will you. Why? Probably because I can stick to the topic at hand.
Or, we could just agree to disagree? My life will go on just fine. :)
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tennis tom |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 14:29:49 God your stupid JoeMacBryan, German is a nationality and not a race, where did you go to school, Disneyland High? I retract my remark that you are a good German, you are the Best German. Sue me, I'm quaking in my ascis. Looks like you spend your whole day trolling on your cell phone, what a life and on a Easter too. I've played two sets of tennis already, gonna' take a nap, a swim and then spend the Holiday with friends and family. I'd recommend you get the Samsung Trio Stylus II for all your texting, we wouldn't want you to get RSI. Hit any tennis balls lately?
Maccafan, you've got a good handle on this troll, he has no belief in Dr. Sarno's work because anyone who lies like he does is incapable of any human empathy even for themselves. He has derided the Good Doctor when he found out what he would have to do to recover, ever since then he's talked about everyone but Dr. Sarno. I would hate to think if Dr. Sarno would ever come here, Bryan would be running to Dave demanding he be removed from his own board for book pedaling and campaigning, like he did with SteveO and Nicole. This guy is shameless.
Bryan, you're TMS "distracted" with me and don't have a shred of evidence to back up any of your slanderous attacks on me. I've asked you to prove a word of it and you haven't and you cant. You make this up out of whole cloth, your Hollyweird fiction writing skills are evident, save it for the Brown Derby. I'm protected by the TRUTH while you are naked for anyone to see through. It's only a message board, I suggest you spend your time with your family rather then wasting your time and more importantly your mindbody energy writing fiction about me. You are getting very boring, saying the same thing over and over again, I'll just keep copying this post to you when ever you continue your Joe MacCarthy lies.
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS: www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ : http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox ======================================================
"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod =================================================
TMS PRACTITIONERS: John Sarno, MD 400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016 (212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum: http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki: http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).: http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html Edited by - tennis tom on 03/31/2013 11:01:58
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS: www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ : http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox ======================================================
"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod =================================================
TMS PRACTITIONERS: John Sarno, MD 400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016 (212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum: http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki: http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).: http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
maccafan |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 14:18:31 quote: The sentence should have read, "Honestly, you'll be fine. Really."
And you know what? You will. :)
B,
I am already fine and groovy but you're not. Not as long as you remain the way you are.
I'm not wasting another minute of my life on you. There's no getting through to someone like you. As long as you continue with your hatred and fear of losing you will be the loser.
And to Nicole, I apologize for being a part of all this in regards to possibly making it uncomfortable for you to post here again. I hope this isn't the case.
So have at it, bryan3000, get on down with your bad self.
And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make.
MACCAFAN
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bryan3000 |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 13:14:23 quote: Originally posted by maccafan
quote: Blame autocorrect Mac. That should have read "honestly." I'm positive you're a beautiful person
B,
You've made several other Freudian slips here so I'm not buying it. You keep trying to cover your butt and come across as just some innocent dude trying to give his opinion. Nicole has never attacked anyone here but YOU have. You attacked her with hatred not just an opinion.
I can tell that you have had a lot of experience defending yourself and I can see why. You've obviously had to do this many times before because you've got your act down pat!
Ha ha! Mac, I don't even know if you're a boy or a girl. How would I know if you're homely? lol! You could be a supermodel for all I know. Why would I care?
Autocorrect gets me on my phone regularly. The sentence should have read, "Honestly, you'll be fine. Really."
And you know what? You will. :)
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maccafan |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 13:02:21 quote: Blame autocorrect Mac. That should have read "honestly." I'm positive you're a beautiful person
B,
You've made several other Freudian slips here so I'm not buying it. You keep trying to cover your butt and come across as just some innocent dude trying to give his opinion. Nicole has never attacked anyone here but YOU have. You attacked her with hatred not just an opinion.
I can tell that you have had a lot of experience defending yourself and I can see why. You've obviously had to do this many times before because you've got your act down pat!
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bryan3000 |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 12:58:23 quote: Originally posted by tennis tom
Bryan, you're TMS "distracted" with me and don't have a shred of evidence to back up any of your slanderous attacks on me. I've asked you to prove a word of it and you haven't and you cant. You make this up out of whole cloth, your Hollyweird fiction writing skills are evident, save it for the Brown Derby. I'm protected by the TRUTH while you are naked for anyone to see through. It's only a message board, I suggest you spend your time with your family rather then wasting your time and more importantly your mindbody energy writing fiction about me. You are getting very boring, saying the same thing over and over again, I'll just keep copying this post to you when ever you continue your Joe MacCarthy lies.
Hi Tom,
Dave had to delete your thread because you attacked a family member, and the OP (Nicole) was hard-selling her product... something clearly outlined in the TOS as being not allowed. You decided to hitch your wagon to someone who was breaking the rules, and insulted a host of other people in the process.
We have more than one poster from Germany here. You referred to someone as a "good German," and no matter how you try to spin that, it's highly racially insensitive and classless.
You then compared Nicole to Jesus, which was of course ignorant and insensitive as well.
Finally, you continue to reference my children. Now Tom, I'm fairly sure you wouldn't try that in person... but protected by the shield of the internet, you continue to attack my children and family. My kids are excellent, Tom... the person with the problem is you. You are perfectly happy to attack a 6 year old simply because someone disagrees with you.
The mod (Dave) has erased your posts in the past for personal and family attacks, which says a lot. I'd think you'd have enough respect for him and his forum to discontinue that line of classless, juvenile attacks... and stick to the subject matter. I have not chosen to mention your personal life, and you may want to consider having enough class to do the same.
You also want to remember that your IP address is attached to every post. Nothing ever really goes away on the internet. So, every time you slander and attack someone, Dave's forum is liable. (Don't think so? Do your homework. Dave knows it is, which is why he deletes your personal attacks.)
You managed to run several people off of this forum and had the gal to belittle Balto and managed to get in HIllbilly's face, two of the most lovely and charitable people on this forum. I've stated before, I won't be intimidated by your god complex, Tom. We can stick to the subject matter or you can continue to embarrass yourself. Your call.
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bryan3000 |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 12:45:00 Hahaha! Blame autocorrect Mac. That should have read "honestly." I'm positive you're a beautiful person.
You're way off base about "hatred" though. I could just as easily say you "hate" people because you believe Nicole's attempts to sell books here (until people called her on it) is legitimate. So, you're forcing your opinion on the forum. That must be hatred, right? Of course not. You just have an opinion. Just like me. Cool, huh?
Other adults will have opinions here. That's something you'll have to get used to. It will never change. Grown ups can debate and raise concerns without having to call people names or attack family members. |
maccafan |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 12:40:13 quote: I had a few old books I thought might help people for free. As in, pass it forward.
Bryan,
The only thing you're passing forward is hatred and cruelty. Nicole also offered her book to us for FREE.
Why do you have to keep your negativity going? What are you really so afraid of?
Once again this thread was originally about a spammer that got into this forum. Why did you use it as another opportunity to start your crap again?
And once again it is not about your freedom to give your oppinion IT'S ABOUT HOW YOU DO IT! And why do capitol letters upset you so much?
You would like nothing better than to run this person completely off this forum. Then you would be the WINNER and you would stop our freedom from learning more about her and her book on this forum. I want the freedom of choice to have any TMS author announce their book here and not be treated so horribly for doing so.
quote: Homely, you're going to be okay. Really
Homely? What does that mean? If you're stooping lower than usual and calling me homely for your information I'm gorgeous! This just proves what a creep you really are.
MACCAFAN
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tennis tom |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 10:52:52 Bryan, you're TMS "distracted" with me and don't have a shred of evidence to back up any of your slanderous attacks on me. I've asked you to prove a word of it and you haven't and you cant. You make this up out of whole cloth, your Hollyweird fiction writing skills are evident, save it for the Brown Derby. I'm protected by the TRUTH while you are naked for anyone to see through. It's only a message board, I suggest you spend your time with your family rather then wasting your time and more importantly your mindbody energy writing fiction about me. You are getting very boring, saying the same thing over and over again, I'll just keep copying this post to you when ever you continue your Joe MacCarthy lies.
==================================================
DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS: www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ : http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
==================================================
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox ======================================================
"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod =================================================
TMS PRACTITIONERS: John Sarno, MD 400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016 (212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum: http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki: http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).: http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
bryan3000 |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 09:30:34 Hi Tom,
Adults will sometimes have opinions that are different from yours.
You are correct, I viewed Nicoles thread as a sales thread and a little offensive. That is my right as a forum member. The owner of the forum agreed, and deleted the thread due to violation of TOS, in addition to your personal attacks involving race an people's children.
"Other professionals" reserve the right to their opinion. Ace is highly respected here and he voiced his own concerns politely about a $400 program making claims of 2-hour cures. Again Tom, no one on this forum has asked you to control public opinion or make this forum safe for product pushers.... in fact, the actions of the moderator has indicated that indeed the aim is to have TOS respected.
I'v been involved in business, art, music and other public endeavors for 30 years. I've had my work cut down (and celebrated) in more ways than I can count. Anyone who makes their first appearance on a public forum claiming to be people's savior or mentioning their book in capital letters I'm every post needs to also have the guts to realize not everyone will like their product or their approach.
****No one had told anyone they cannot post here.
****This is a free forum for those inclined to post their opinion and many people took exception to various aspects of particular approaches used by those attempting to move products or create buzz about themselves.
No one is going to stop having opnions here because you believe you control public thought. No one has asked you to protect them. The reason you are "flapping in the wind" is because 98% of the grown ups here realize it's fine for other grown ups to have and post their opinions on a public opinion board.
You may feel the credibility of this forum is bolstered by the latest 2-hour cure peddler, and others may not. But more importantly, no one has aske you to protect them. You think other people are wrong, great! Say so. Other people will do the same. We are all grown ups, including those here to move products.
However, insulting people by attacking threir young children, families, race or making offensive religious blows is not necessary and frankly reflects way more on the person making such attacks than it does the person you are attacking
We are all free to express ourselves here, Tom. I invite you to do so. If you endorse the 2-hour cure or find Nicole analogous to Jesus, please spread the word! But be prepared for others to take exception because that is how it goes with adults in a forum solely created for posting questions, thoughts and yes.... opinions.
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pspa123 |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 07:44:12 Bryan was only making allowances for those who might prefer to sell their books rather than donate. Selling one copy of a book one presumably bought is different from an author promoting their own book, whether one is cool with that or not. |
tennis tom |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 06:44:18 quote: Originally posted by Ace1
In all fairness, I think Bryan wanted only to donate his books, if I recall his post,correctly.
Yes, Ace, and I fully understand that, AND in "all fairness" have YOU spoken out and said ONE word against his lies, vitriolic and malicious attacks on me and others here? And "in all fairness" have YOU said one word to chastise him for single handedly offending two recovered TMS colleagues from announcing there books here, Steve Ozanich and Nicole Sacks, being blindsided by Bryan, calling them all kinds of nasty and malicious names, like "book peddlers" and "salesmen"? He just did the same to Adam Heller who tried to present a healing program here.
He also is now spewing his vitriol on two other forum members here in another thread, "in all fairness", do you think that's fair? I haven't seen you or your other colleagues here "in all fairness" speak one word against this. But when I have the temerity to speak out, you are quick to jump on me.
Frankly I'm disgusted by the lack of courage by the professionals who post here on a regular basis to speak up against this and leave me flying in the wind to pretty much do it on my own, save for a few others who know who they are. I don't have any problem with Bryan selling his books, and he did say "sell", he is the one who has the problem with legitimate TMS experts and past sufferers to tell their stories here and help others. Ace "in all fairness", what did you have to say about that?
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