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| Ace1 |
Posted - 03/14/2013 : 15:54:51
I was just thinking about this today as I was seeing my patients. Do you know pain is our bodies language that something is wrong? If we haven't learned what our problem is or how to fix it, the pain stays with us. Isn't that a good thing? Don't we want feedback? What if we tried to shut it up by not taking care of the root cause and gong through some other method of cure, our warning signal is now gone and we have no guide to our emotional self. I was thinking about some patients with cancer, do they all get warning signals like pain or equivalents first? The answer seems to be yes in general. Also do I think that if it were not for the pain, would i have thought myself emotionally "there" much, much earlier than I really was? The answer is yes. Some people call there pain names on here, they hate it and just wait for the day for it to be gone. One day, if you go down the right path, you with accept and value pain, for when it is there it is telling you something. |
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| plum |
Posted - 03/17/2013 : 16:16:01
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Ace1, what are your thoughts on those who suffer pain following bereavement?
Hi, Plum. Of course, it's entirely natural to suffer pain when someone you love dies. It's still a gift, I think. My best friend recently went through this. Now, about two and a half years later, she is enjoying life again, especially enjoying being independent. She still spends a lot of time sitting on the grass at his graveside but there's nothing unhappy about it, as there was in the beginning. She feels she is spending time with him, sharing her joys and troubles with him. She feels he is always with her and she didn't feel that at all for the first couple of years.
I've been married for 47 years to my childhood sweetheart. Frankly, he drives me nuts (always has) but I love him. Who knows how I will react if he dies before I do. Probably with an awful loneliness and a great deal of relief. From what I can see, it's such an individual thing. It can only help to consider the possibility that the loss is ultimately a gift to both of you. If there were no such thing as suffering and death would we bother to learn much of anything in this life? Probably not.
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"It's worth considering that tms is not a treatment but rather an unfolding of the self, and a way of living as an emotionally aware and engaged soul." Plum
I love your words and your whole cheeky take on life. It's refreshing.
I'm also with my childhood sweetheart who also drives me nuts but I love him. Had mucho time to muse on his passing and am grateful, truly deeply grateful that I haven't known this yet. Really thought it was going to happen at one point but he's bloody-minded and will most likely out live me.
There's a lot to say on this subject and a good many folks whose thoughts count for more than mine so maybe they'll share here.
Love to you, njoy who brings me such joy. xxx |
| njoy |
Posted - 03/16/2013 : 21:01:32
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Originally posted by plum
Ace1, what are your thoughts on those who suffer pain following bereavement?
Hi, Plum. Of course, it's entirely natural to suffer pain when someone you love dies. It's still a gift, I think. My best friend recently went through this. Now, about two and a half years later, she is enjoying life again, especially enjoying being independent. She still spends a lot of time sitting on the grass at his graveside but there's nothing unhappy about it, as there was in the beginning. She feels she is spending time with him, sharing her joys and troubles with him. She feels he is always with her and she didn't feel that at all for the first couple of years.
I've been married for 47 years to my childhood sweetheart. Frankly, he drives me nuts (always has) but I love him. Who knows how I will react if he dies before I do. Probably with an awful loneliness and a great deal of relief. From what I can see, it's such an individual thing. It can only help to consider the possibility that the loss is ultimately a gift to both of you. If there were no such thing as suffering and death would we bother to learn much of anything in this life? Probably not.
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"It's worth considering that tms is not a treatment but rather an unfolding of the self, and a way of living as an emotionally aware and engaged soul." Plum |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 03/16/2013 : 20:29:43
Norman Cousins, Anatomy of an Illness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqLAcpXzNks
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| Ace1 |
Posted - 03/15/2013 : 03:53:57
T2r, the body doesn't have a language except symptoms. It cant talk to you and tell you to stop. It therefore uses symptoms. You just didn't understand the language. Plus had it just gently talked to you to help you understand, I doubt you would have changed. Aren't I correct? It's kind of like a fire alarm, if you stop the loud piercing sound by taking out the batteries, you have not gotten the message and you would be in danger from the basic cause (the fire). |
| Time2reclaim |
Posted - 03/14/2013 : 21:29:46
Pain that distracts from the real source of the organism that needs attention IMHO isn't something I find particularly valuable. If you burn your hand it should hurt so you can attend to it. If you are suffering from stress or grief it does not allow you to prioritize that and heal if the area of pain that comes is neck pain. I have literally wasted years chasing around a cure for my pain. Oddly the chronic pain I've had for 16 years isn't bothering me much because another pain issue has taken it's place. I do not appreciate the pain I have had for 16 years because instead of getting the help I needed, I was busy chasing a rainbow that might heal my neck. |
| chickenbone |
Posted - 03/14/2013 : 21:09:28
Well said, Alix, ME TOO |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 03/14/2013 : 19:59:26
Alix,
I am not fully recovered and I still don't regret what I have gone through for similar reasons as yours. There is no way I want to go back to the person I was, no way!!!!!
Listen to what Ekhart Tolle says about challenges in one's life: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqX5IFKYFWk
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| alix |
Posted - 03/14/2013 : 19:25:30
It is terrible to say but despite having suffered for 10 years, I do not regret this experience. It taught me about myself. It taught me about the healthcare industry. I believe that if I had not experienced those symptoms as a warning, as a call to slow down, something much more sinister would have happened. |
| chickenbone |
Posted - 03/14/2013 : 18:58:52
Right on, Ace. I think I once said to you that, in the end, the pain was my friend. And I sometimes missed it like a friend. It is our warning system that does not only tell us about physical problems. It just as loudly sounds the alarm when we have a mental issue that demands our attention before serious damage is done to our organism. |
| bryan3000 |
Posted - 03/14/2013 : 16:43:11
The body is an amazing machine. It's got a couple hundred thousand years of practice getting it right.
But, it's a delicate balance of listening to it... and ignoring it, for sure.
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| Ace1 |
Posted - 03/14/2013 : 16:19:03
Once your set point in general is lowered, you can have occasional spikes without any harm. It is the overall way of living over a period of time that makes the change, for better or worse. Therefore, it is normal and obviously ok to go through bereavement, but you can't let it overwhelm your mind you should try to direct yourself toward acceptance as best and as soon as possible. |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 03/14/2013 : 16:11:12
Yes, I take from Ekhart what is helpful for me, and he has helped me a lot.
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| plum |
Posted - 03/14/2013 : 16:10:35
Ace1, what are your thoughts on those who suffer pain following bereavement? |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 03/14/2013 : 16:05:30
Hi Shawn, I love your very relevant posts. I do want to add one thing. Echardt does not fully understand TMS, at least I don't think so, so he never tells us to use it as a sign. So although we have to accept it, we will now use it as a good guide to help us change. |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 03/14/2013 : 15:59:47
"Form means limitation. We are here not only to experience limitation, but also to grow in consciousness by going beyond limitation. Some limitations can be overcome on an external level. There may be other limitations in your life that you have to learn to live with. They can only be overcome internally. Everyone will encounter them sooner or later. Those limitations either keep you trapped in egoic reaction, which means intense unhappiness, or you rise above them internally by uncompromising surrender to what is. That is what they are here to teach. The surrendered state of consciousness opens up the vertical dimension in your life, the dimension of depth. Something will then come forth from that dimension into this world, something of infinite value that otherwise would have remained unmanifested. Some people who surrendered to severe limitation become healers or spiritual teachers. Others work selflessly to lessen human suffering or bring some creative gift into this world." -- Ekhart Tolle ( A New Earth)
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“Living up to an image that you have of yourself or that
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