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| Sylvia |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 09:14:20
Hi Nicole,
Can you tell me how important you think the group support that you did for Dr. Sarno was for his patients?
Do you think it matters more for severe TMS such as CFS and FM? Or really Dr. Sarno was just in the habit of doing it, and it wasn't really more beneficial then reading his books and journaling, or adding seeing him for a DX?
For me I feel it would be so meaningful and important if I could meet with CFS/FM folks doing it and getting better and better or completely well.
What say you?
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| NicoleSachsLCSW |
Posted - 02/08/2013 : 11:14:35
Ace, I personally appreciate this response. I will take the same advice, and see others in that way. The internet, as amazing as it is, offers little ability to see the emotion behind the comment, and feelings are too easily bruised.
TT - wise words as well.
Have a happy (rainy, snowy if you're here) day!
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Originally posted by Ace1
I really like what TT has to say here. I dont think that there is anyone on here with the real intension to hurt anyone. The truth (obviously with some explaination on why it is believed to be the truth) does have to be said point blank and it might not ring obvious to someone right away, but maybe when it sinks in, it will help later. That said, maybe we all need to try to say things in a kinder way (this applies to myself as well)
Embrace your Truth, Create your Life. |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 02/08/2013 : 10:12:24
I really like what TT has to say here. I dont think that there is anyone on here with the real intension to hurt anyone. The truth (obviously with some explaination on why it is believed to be the truth) does have to be said point blank and it might not ring obvious to someone right away, but maybe when it sinks in, it will help later. That said, maybe we all need to try to say things in a kinder way (this applies to myself as well) |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 02/08/2013 : 10:04:12
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Originally posted by Sylvia
I'm sure it is a far more supportive and mellow place than here.
I'm sure if you re-examine your initial posts you'll find much support and heartfelt advice--including mine.
This board was never designed to be mellow nor supportive. If you research into it's archives, you'll discover lively debates by its founder AUSTIN GARY. The HELP here is to help folks understand what Dr. Sarno was saying, which is often misconstrued by our TMS gremlins.
It is not supportive to enable one who is obviously getting it wrong, to keep getting it wrong. Most need their psychosomatic symptoms for a defense mechanism--a "PROTECTOR". That's what it's there for when life becomes too much to bear. But, for those who want to take things forward and beyond, there's some good nuggets here to guide the path.
Your enemy who tells you the TRUTH is a better friend then your "friend" who lies to you. |
| All1Spirit |
Posted - 02/08/2013 : 06:54:04
I ran or participated in community anxiety groups for many years. Our telephone list was what members said was so wonderful. When they felt like they could not go another minute there was always a person to talk to that totally understood.
I agree with many anxiety and FM groups – they are all drugs and no hope...mostly swapping symptoms lists!
Around and Around the Circle We Go
The Answer Sits In The Middle and Knows |
| Sylvia |
Posted - 02/08/2013 : 05:39:53
Balto, you are absolutely right about us being a herd animal, I'd say a pack animal. And CFS has been completely isolating with me at home for so long. My daughter grew up and is on her own, and THAT was my purpose and role that I lived out with disabling TMS. There was honore in Motherhood. Now I need to be around people and give of myself, otherwise, I'm just here. So I very much am ready to dive in and do the work.
Birdie, so true. I think if inclined to TMS acceptance it was easier in the day when there was only a book or two of Dr. Sarno, now there is a plethera, and more and more coming faster and faster. Time to bail out and give attention to one alone and give it as much time as reasonable before looking for any tweaks or such. Dr. Schubiner is the way I am going.
Thanks Nicole. What I like about Dr. Schubiner that in the months ahead when I have the money, I can spend 100 for the online class but most importantly access to his FORUM! All folks doing his Unlearn Your Pain. That to me is golden. I'm sure it is a far more supportive and mellow place than here. Also since he did the Fibromyalgia study maybe there are some on the forum recovered or near recovery that post and give a hand up.
Hi andy64, my friend, besides Doc Schubiners forum I'm thinking in time I will join a group or two that is very unlike me and absorb their energy. Like Toastmasters. I imagine them to be over the top confident, perhaps blowhards, but also successful in their line of work, well, anyways, I believe in letting that energy permeate me. A strange idea perhaps, but I think it could be useful to me. |
| andy64tms |
Posted - 02/07/2013 : 18:50:36
Hi Sylvia, Hi All,
Sorry for stealing your other thread without saying Hi!
I can speak first hand to support groups.
I gave up smoking without any support, in fact I had opposition and sneering from members of my family, in my stubbornness I succeeded, remaining in a smokeless zone for nearly 44 years.
In 1984 I tackled my alcohol issue and attended AA for two months. That was all it took! I remember the support was that people would listen, without criticism or suggestion or interruption. Many poured their hearts out and the main solace they received was to have someone just listen. They had companionship and belonging – someone was like them and they were not alone with their affliction.
Try it and just listen it might help especially if you don’t look for too many answers.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Stopped Wiki Edu Program in lieu of own journalling
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years, is almost gone.
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
| NicoleSachsLCSW |
Posted - 02/07/2013 : 16:18:57
I would like to respond and say to you all - YES, the panel helped, and YES, Sarno is a genius... But none of you need either of them to heal. Birdie, please don't stress about the "right" way to heal. Each of us has our own way, as many have stated on this board.
All I can say is this, the more we are desperate to heal... the more we stress and feel shame about our "lack" of recovery, and then the slower we recover. The closer we are able to embrace our surrender to the process, the more gently we float to healing.
When I was a couple months into the process, I called Dr. Sarno and was stressing that I wasn't pain-free yet. I told him that I always felt pain in the morning, and stiff, and it was hard to get up and moving. I was frustrated. He told me that I should relax into the process... take a tylenol or have a glass of wine once and a while... relax. He gave me permission to be a "failure." (my journalspeak..) I needed that.
Go easy on yourselves. Patience and kindness for oneself are big components to healing in this process.
-n.
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Originally posted by Birdie78
Sylvia, your post "resonated" with my own thoughts. But I guess that's the same kind of strainful thinking we discussed before: will I be able to heal without support groups...professional TMS-diagnosis...the right approach (Schubinger or better Schechter or what Steve O. says or Dr. James Alexander or.....?). Alaways looking for THE right approach, always in fear that missing exactly THAT right approach will lead to a "failed recovery".
Sorry if I am wrong, but that's the way I "tick" and I found myself in what you wrote.
I think there are special "building elements" which have all approaches in common, but each person has to puzzle this pieces together in it's own way because we all made different experiences and have different problems and lifestyles. When I notice myself struggling with the "which approach is the right for me-thing" I try to remember this and to tell me: it's MY healing and I have to find out what suits me and what not, nobody else can do this for me.
Kind regards from Germany sends Birdie
Embrace your Truth, Create your Life. |
| Birdie78 |
Posted - 02/07/2013 : 03:18:40
Sylvia, your post "resonated" with my own thoughts. But I guess that's the same kind of strainful thinking we discussed before: will I be able to heal without support groups...professional TMS-diagnosis...the right approach (Schubinger or better Schechter or what Steve O. says or Dr. James Alexander or.....?). Alaways looking for THE right approach, always in fear that missing exactly THAT right approach will lead to a "failed recovery".
Sorry if I am wrong, but that's the way I "tick" and I found myself in what you wrote.
I think there are special "building elements" which have all approaches in common, but each person has to puzzle this pieces together in it's own way because we all made different experiences and have different problems and lifestyles. When I notice myself struggling with the "which approach is the right for me-thing" I try to remember this and to tell me: it's MY healing and I have to find out what suits me and what not, nobody else can do this for me.
Kind regards from Germany sends Birdie |
| balto |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 22:37:51
May be that's why AA meeting saved lots of my friends from ruin by alcohol. We are herd animals, we feel more confidence and difficulty seem easier to overcome when we have the support of our group. But I think we have to work toward an achievable goal, We must know that it is doable, achievable.
Some FM groups I know of, they are a punch of the most negative people on earth. There usually very little hope in them. Sometime I think belonging to a group like that do more harm than good. So make sure whatever group you join, it should have more positive than negative or you won't benefit from it at all.
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No, I don't know everything. I'm just here to share my experience. |
| Sylvia |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 18:33:01
Hi All1Spirit, thank you very much for the offer. I don't think it is something I'd want to participate in right now. But maybe in the future.
That is great Nicole, thank you for your speedy reply! I just knew it, which is why I've been whining and pining for some relationships with recovered and recovering CFS FM folks. Where two or three are gathered...GRACE is there to work it's healing magic. So would simply seeing Dr. Sarno. Everyone says he is brilliant and a genius, which I say okay, obvious but what people don't say is that he is a HEALER. Being in the presence of a healer is, well healing!
Thanks Eric, you are very sweet.
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| eric watson |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 13:41:28
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Originally posted by tennis tom
Eric and a big thank you, to you for your even handedness--you help keep the roof on the place. 
(Quote Eric)- see tom its all in the wrist-
im gonna take you up on that game one day soon my friend
god bless you tennis tom |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 13:35:33
Eric and a big thank you, to you for your even handedness--you help keep the roof on the place. |
| eric watson |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 13:26:30
(Quotes from Eric)-
Nichole i just want to thank you again for giving of your services here at tms help-you have the calmness in your voice that we tmsers need to hear-it heals our ids -or the kid on the inside
any how your book is so true-i have a saying called awareness in truth and when you arrive its all good-i was so humbled when i saw we came out of pain and survived-now its just explaining the journey
and were all different but to me the journey of concepts and knowing is univeral in most folks i see,they just dont know it.
when we learn there is another mind-hence the divided mind we learn to take better care of our thoughts and then life-right.
god bless
(All1Spirit)- thats a good gesture
anything free is a gift from god these days and always
as long as its all direction and courage we got it whopped.
(Sylvia)-stay patient and keep on with all the work your doing-
standing up and entering a group meeting is a great step for anyone
it helps get rid of a lot of tenseness we get from being
around folks-at first youll have to be ready and
then when ya get their im sure itll be folks just like you that help-your thinking very very brilliant here.... |
| NicoleSachsLCSW |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 09:42:50
Hi Sylvia,
I think it was unbelievably beneficial. In fact, I think it was the most powerful thing involved in his program. Dr. Sarno agreed. He said it all the time. When he got too old to moderate them himself, I met with him in NY and asked if I could carry it on with the other panel members. He agreed at first, citing the importance of the panel, but called back a day or two later expressing that he had discussed it with his wife and felt as if it would cause him too much pressure to feel like he had to be there - Dr. S is a VERY brilliant man who has been largely ostracized by the medical community, and holds fast to the control over his endeavors.
In any case, the panels had to cease, which broke our hearts as the patients would pour over to speak to us all after each group meeting and tell us how helpful it had been. I know at some point one the the TMS gurus had constructed an online one, but I'm not sure where that went. I think it was associated with TMS-wiki (??) There seemed to be positive feedback about it when I looked online...
I wish there was more I could do about it. My plate is so full. I do strongly believe that there is no power like groupwork.
All the best,
Nicole
Embrace your Truth, Create your Life. |
| All1Spirit |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 09:42:46
I have an anxiety group that meets on a free confrenece call each week. I am no longer involved but these are easy to set up and free |
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