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| plum |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 02:32:45
16. Along the lines of what is stated in #14 and #15, when in a rush to get something over with, we tend to hold our breath until whatever is completed so we feel we can breathe again. The lack of breath tends to accentuate the physical strain we talked about earlier.
Therefore, when having symptoms, or when you get into a hyped up mode, it may be helpful to encourage continuous breathing without pausing. |
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| shawnsmith |
Posted - 03/09/2013 : 09:17:07
Be aware of your breathing. Notice the sensation of the breath. Feel
the air moving in and out of your body. Notice how the chest and abdomen
expand and contract slightly with the in and out breath. One conscious
breath is enough to make some space where before there was the
uninterrupted succession of one thought after another. One conscious breath
(two or three would be even better), taken many times a day, is an excellent
way of bringing space into your life. Even if you meditated on your breathing
for two hours or more, which some people do, one breath is all you ever need
to be aware of, indeed ever can be aware of. The rest is memory or
anticipation, which is to say, thought. Breathing isn't really something that
you do but something that you witness as it happens. Breathing happens by
itself. The intelligence within the body is doing it. All you have to do is
watch it happening. There is no strain or effort involved. Also, notice the
brief cessation of the breath, particularly the still point at the end of the out
breath, before you start breathing in again. -- Ekhart Tolle (A New Earth)
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“Nonresistance, nonjudgment, and nonattachment are the
three aspects of true freedom and enlightened living” -- Ekhart Tolle |
| balto |
Posted - 02/08/2013 : 05:20:31
quote:
Originally posted by shawnsmith
... if my logic is correct, that the #1 reason the symptoms persist is due to fear, plain and simple. No if and or buts.
That is pretty much my belief for the past 10 years.
Personally I have never know of anyone who over came his/her mindbody illness without being able to stop fear first.
“The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.” Franklin D. Roosevelt
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No, I don't know everything. I'm just here to share my experience. |
| eric watson |
Posted - 02/08/2013 : 05:18:52
quote:
Originally posted by plum
By extension, does this key also reveal the beauty of letting go and letting god?
Is it another tender invitation to forgive?
Breathing out fully.
Releasing.
Letting go.
Stillness.
Expansion.
Breathing in deeply.
Smiling.
Again, quite surprising how a seemingly small act holds tremendous power.
plum i really like how you see god in this-
how else do you think its so good-god breathed life into man
wow....good thoughts plum |
| eric watson |
Posted - 02/08/2013 : 05:04:54
this is an awesome comment shawn-
i fear death but ive also got an acceptance of that day
a friend of mine 82 wrote a story called mortality and tms
after i read it i wasnt scared of death anymore
-see on the latter paragraph from above i never thought id read a short 10 page story and laugh about that big day but i did-it was about acceptance but the ol man has so much life and hes been here twice as long as me so he knows a thing or two about how close it is but he accepts it and has a great sense of humor and no fear of it-thats cool,its powerful.
when my friend put a twist of hope and humor to it
all i could do is think now thats hope and definatly courage
now me see ive -just like all of us have thought about mortality since well about 3 and now i still do sometimes-at 29 i accepted that with the lord their was a mansion in heaven for me and thats still in all my heart,it works very well-
its keeps me in my safe place.
ill get around to the 3 sentence segment one day and let yaw guys see
i know i shouldnt have mentioned it but its the thought that matters right....
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and man on your former paragrah-your really touching bases on the
cure my friend-i really like that thought experiment-its so true-if we can eliminate fear.
thats very possible
and chickenbone - thank you ....... |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 02/07/2013 : 17:41:02
Suppose, even just for a fleeting moment, that you did not possess the ability to experience the sensation of fear whatsoever. No matter what happened to you, fear would not be part of your experience. Now consider what would happen if these painful symptoms began to manifest in your body but due to your inability to experience fear, you would continue on as if nothing was taking place. How long do you think the symptoms would last under such conditions? Mostly likely, if my little thought experiment is correct, the symptoms would not persist very long at all. But since in reality we do possess the ability to fear, the symptoms persist. Thus I argue, if my logic is correct, that the #1 reason the symptoms persist is due to fear, plain and simple. No if and or buts.
And what, if I may continue on with my comments, do we fear the most? No BS here, what do all of us fear the most? The answer to this simple and straight forward question is, of course, death. We fear our own ultimate demise and pain is a stark reminder of our own mortality. Not a very pleasant thought, I agree, but it is reality. We fear that we are going to die but are too afraid or uncomfortable to admit it. |
| chickenbone |
Posted - 02/07/2013 : 17:22:14
Thanks, everyone, for all your support. I think I turned the corner when I joined this forum.
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| eric watson |
Posted - 02/07/2013 : 05:52:11
Quote Ace1)- Along the lines of what is stated in #14 and #15, when in a rush to get something over with, we tend to hold our breath until whatever is completed so we feel we can breathe again. The lack of breath tends to accentuate the physical strain we talked about earlier.
Therefore, when having symptoms, or when you get into a hyped up mode, it may be helpful to encourage continuous breathing without pausing.
Eric)- learning i had this happening unknowingly and then learning to
catch it with mindfullness was very beneficial in giving a lot of energy back to my body-i notived id lose energy very quickly-even blamed cfs but when i learned this key.my energy came back.
thanks ace1 and plum |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 02/07/2013 : 05:04:40
Chickenbone you continue to impress me with your profound understanding. I could not have said it better. |
| plum |
Posted - 02/07/2013 : 02:35:42
chickenbone,
thanks for these words.
it is deeply reassuring to hear how well you've fared with the keys. Early days for me but I have certainly tasted what you speak of and am sure that I'll get there in time. I'm so very pleased you've healed love. That is wonderful news and very inspiring. |
| chickenbone |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 23:45:34
I don´t believe that Balto´s opinion that fear is the basis and Ace´s Keys are mutually exclusive. Ace´s Keys deal very effectively with the "fear of symptoms" issue because, if you have actually practiced them, you would realize that the fear diminishes because the symptoms diminish when you use your awareness to break the habits that are causing your symptoms. They also teach you to drop resistance to the symptoms. Resisting the symptoms is what the pain strategy wants you to do because that brings on attention and fear in response to the symptoms, it´s real goal. Balto seems to want it the other way around,to lessen fear so that will lesson the symptoms. However, all of the great spiritual masters say that the proper way to combat negative emotions, such as fear and anger is to cultivate it´s opposite. If you want less hatred, practice love, if you want less fear, cultivate confidence and security. Resent research in neuroscience supports this notion also. Specifically, that once you learn fear around certain situations or conditions, you cannot unlearn it, but you can let these neural pathways atrophy while you develop and strengthen new neural pathways that will serve you much better.
Ace´s Keys are a path to that healing. They are very clever in that they really don´t bring up the issue of fear, but ridding yourself of fear is a result of practicing them. You probably don´t want to try to help someone with their fear by confronting them with it. This would serve only to reinforce the fear.
I found that, by practicing the Keys, greater awareness leads to more appropriate and healthy behavior, which in turn causes you to become more circumspect about the symptoms. Gradually, almost without noticing it, the symptoms lessen and disappear. Fear goes with it because the pain strategy has failed. |
| plum |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 11:46:36
Hi sweetheart,
That's a really valuable comment. Ace1 has really nailed the mental aspect of tension. If you read back through the posts of people who've healed you see this same theme again and again.
Dear sweet Balto persuasively contends that fear underlies all this, Ace1 seems less sure and I really don't know but my hunch is Balto may be right. Whatever and whichever, mental relaxation suggests the absence of both fear and tension. This sounds nice. This is the dream I'm seeding. |
| RageSootheRatio |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 10:06:00
Thanks for starting and continuing this series, Plum! 
RE this #16, I just want to report something Ace1 said on another thread about this one:
quote:
Just make sure that you dont use it [the breathing] to make it the main source of healing which should be mental relaxation.
I think this is something that I didn't really understand. I have often done "stress-reduction" practices, but more focusing on the physical, rather than the mental relaxation. I am beginning to see more and more about Ace1's "mental strain" approach.
RSR |
| plum |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 03:58:17
By extension, does this key also reveal the beauty of letting go and letting god?
Is it another tender invitation to forgive?
Breathing out fully.
Releasing.
Letting go.
Stillness.
Expansion.
Breathing in deeply.
Smiling.
Again, quite surprising how a seemingly small act holds tremendous power. |
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