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| All1Spirit |
Posted - 02/03/2013 : 06:46:51
More questions:
I have noticed Claire Weekes mentioned several times on this forum. I knew Dr. Weekes before her passing and I have worked and researched in the anxiety disorders field for over 45 years. I had panic and severe anxiety back in 1967 when no one knew what it was I was misdiagnosed and horribly mistreated.
This compelled me to enter the medical/psychological field to try to fix myself and help others.
So my question is what do Dr. Weekes and TMS have in relation?
In the last 10 years I have researched Allostatic load disorders and worked with many leaders in this field. The most common of these disorders are:
panic anxiety fibromyalgia irritable bowel TMJ Chronic Fatigue |
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| eric watson |
Posted - 03/08/2013 : 07:01:24
Claire weekes is awesome Rik, but you combine both weekes and sarno
see then you get results to help your pain and anxiety,
see some here have anxiety bad as yourself and pain and really when your in pain your going to have some form of anxiety
heres the mix since youve had anxiety so long have you studied weekes to see if her works will mend the anxiety. i mean really study.
facing, looking the fear in the eye, the pain, the anxiety
floating, deciding to accept that this anxiety is your anxiety
this pain is your pain for now and your going to be at ease knowing now that you have a way out.
and your going to let it float thru you as a mist of fresh wind.
accepting, this is the part that you accept your in this for the long haul and your never backing up, just forward progress
time- in time the cure will take affect. |
| balto |
Posted - 03/07/2013 : 20:16:19
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Originally posted by gailnyc
[brDr. Weekes explains that the pain is caused by a sympathetic nervous system on high alert--every time you feel pain, you also feel fear, which turns the system into a vicious cycle. It's letting go of the fear that allows your nervous system to calm down.
There are many theories of what will "cure" us of Mindbody illness, but I have to say that most MB healing stories I've known the people healed by using dr Weekes teaching. I have suffered for years and have tried many many methods, some helped some don't, I don't completely healed until I found Claire Weekes. She is a god sent for me.
The biggest mistake I've seen many people have done is they made this MB disease into some thing so big, so complicated and they think it has to take big, complex methods to deal with it. I'm here to tell you that it is very very simple just like dr Weekes taught. Just end your fear and your pain will end. You don't have to go deep deep inside your past and look for something happened 30 years ago. It is right here, right now. Just end your fear what the symptoms can do to you and the symptoms will cease to exist.
Your goal is find a way to end your fear. Live in the present. Don't go back in the past and don't venture to the future.
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| shawnsmith |
Posted - 03/07/2013 : 18:37:05
I think that "book cures" are generally due to the placebo effect. Such people generally experience the symptom imperative sometime later because they have not laid the proper groundwork to prevent a future manifestation of TMS. So I am not all that impressed when I hear that someone has experienced a book cure as usually it is short-term. We put too much hype around these stories and they have an negative impact.
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| gailnyc |
Posted - 03/07/2013 : 18:04:06
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Just my thoughts, those above are just symptoms of the same condition (disease), They all causes by negative emotion/thoughts,events.
Dr Sarno taught me that emotion can caused pain and other symptoms anywhere in my body, but Dr Weekes is the one who cured me of my symptoms. Her method work not only with "nerve" pain, it will work with all mindbody symptoms/condition.
I just started reading Hope and Help for your Nerves, and I am finding it tremendously helpful. She focuses on the fear that prevents your symptoms from leaving you, and teaches you to "float" past it. I'm not sure if it's her use of the word "float" or her lucid explanations, but somehow I "get" her explanations about how to--not exactly ignore the pain, but just sort of accept it and float past it. Don't fight against it. Don't "strain" into it (as Ace would say).
I wonder if Sarno's "book cure" happens to some people because the minute they realize they have TMS and that the problem isn't structural, the fear fades and the pain fades.
Dr. Weekes explains that the pain is caused by a sympathetic nervous system on high alert--every time you feel pain, you also feel fear, which turns the system into a vicious cycle. It's letting go of the fear that allows your nervous system to calm down.
Something I also like that she says is that you must allow time to pass while practicing letting go, or "floating." She doesn't put a time limit on it. She just says that eventually, your pain will go away. You will be cured. I think this message will really resonate with people who didn't experience immediate cures and who got frustrated with this. |
| RageSootheRatio |
Posted - 02/12/2013 : 11:35:46
all1spirit asked:
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CAn you please explain a bit about the mechanics of this system [Emotional Brain Training - EBT]
Not sure I can do it justice (you can get more info from their web site www.ebt.org) but from my point of view it is all just one huge elaboration of Regulation skills... It used to be called "Developmental Skills Training" and helped individuals gain the two major skills of limit-setting and nurturing in order to be regulated and in a state of homeostasis (vs allostasis.) It is based on a synthesis of stress research, latest in neurological research and developmental psychology. They are constantly upgrading the program based on latest research and clinical feedback from participants. Some research studies have been done (Laurel Mellin is an academic at UCSF as well as a clinician.)
It is not targeted towards people with TMS (although I first heard of it on this board) and by itself, probably not enough to be "cured" of TMS (well, it wasn't for me).. but it has lots of great tools including their approach to journalling. I like how is it holistic and also very focused on the individual (ie an understanding that it can't be 'one size fits all').
I think one of Laurel's biggest contributions (IMHO) is her recognition/ distinction about "5 brain states" and that depending on one's brain state, one needs different things. What "works" at brain state 1 (a state of high level well-being) will NOT "work" at brain state 5 (a full blown stress reaction.) We are "different people" at different brain states! The goal of the program is to "rewire the brain" to change one's emotional setpoint. The ideas really resonated for me and has been very worthwhile. She was also not promising any kind of "quick fix" for this rewiring, which made me trust her ideas more.
I was also not familiar (due to my developmental background!) with limit-setting nor nurturing skills, and those basics are just so fundamental to EVERYTHING ... every discernment, every choice (from the trivial to the life-changing profound ones) ... and have helped me use MYSELF as the reference point as I have tried to make my way through the TMS treatment jungle (!)
Hope this helps ... if you're interested, there is more information on the EBT web site.
RSR |
| plum |
Posted - 02/04/2013 : 10:49:16
Hi Lou,
I'm listening to Hope and Help for Your Nerves. I downloaded it from itunes so an unsure how many discs that constitutes. If you click on Resources on this site there's a link to the above-mentioned book on amazon. Read the first review. It stands alone.
I've also got her other books but my mum lent them to me so I struck lucky there.
Hope that helps.
Hugs x |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 02/04/2013 : 10:49:09
Dear A1S,
I can tell you that intensity is part of your problem. Just go back and see haow many new topics you posted in the last couple days. This is not to critize you, but to show you to help you heal. My list will still help you, but intensity is what I would like you to work on. |
| carrick |
Posted - 02/04/2013 : 09:55:47
Hi All
I have never read any of Dr. Weekes books and I was wondering if you can please advise me as to which one I should purchase. I was actually thinking of buying an audio book instead of printed version, but there seems to be about 5 or 6 cd's?
Balto - I sent you a message earlier, hope you got it!
Thanks a lot
Lou |
| All1Spirit |
Posted - 02/03/2013 : 13:59:58
Rage
CAn you please explain a bit about the mechanics of this system
Thanks |
| RageSootheRatio |
Posted - 02/03/2013 : 10:02:34
What we also know is that there is a great deal of "neuroplasticity" capable in the brain, no matter where one starts from. One person who has done a lot of work in the area of "allostatic load" is Laurel Mellin, from UCSF (U California, San Francisco). Over the past 30 years she has evolved a program (currently called Wired for Joy, formerly called The Solution Method or Developmental Skills Training) which helps a person go from a "setpoint" of allostasis to a setpoint of homeostasis. She has written quite a few books on her program, and I have been involved in it for several years (someone else on this board introduced me to it.) I would definitely say that my emotional/ limbic setpoint HAS moved up, in that time. - RSR |
| All1Spirit |
Posted - 02/03/2013 : 09:59:58
Bryan
Mine is not a success story. I broke down 6 years ago and in spite of my education and skills in stress management I am actually worse now - almost totally crippled and disabled
Before 2007 I was running over a hudred miles a week, cycling many more and traveling extensively - now I seldom go out. |
| bryan3000 |
Posted - 02/03/2013 : 09:41:03
Hi All1spiit,
I am a huge fan of Dr. Weekes. I credit her and her work for me being here today. It wasn't until I read her book and heard her audio that I understood what was going on in nervous breakdown. I think her work is actually much more relevant to healing then most of the work cited around this board including Dr. Sarno. I am a fan of Dr. Sarno, as I do believe he helped widen the general message put forth by Dr. Weekes.
I haven't been around the forum much lately, and I wanted to know if you had put forth your thoughts on healing. I've read a few of your posts and your background is certainly interesting and it would be great to hear some of your thoughts about recovery.
I am somewhere around half way back to my old self, possibly even closer. Have you posted a success story yourself? It would be great to hear the message you used to recover, and the ones you recommend to your patients. |
| plum |
Posted - 02/03/2013 : 07:43:31
This makes a huge amount of sense, especially on the personal level. My thanks for taking the time to pad this out, I really appreciate it.
Interestingly I recall Bruce Lipton dips into these waters in discussing the relative stress/trauma a pregnant woman has and how this is communicated to her unborn child. Forgive hazy reference but I heard him speak on this a while ago and the details elude me. |
| All1Spirit |
Posted - 02/03/2013 : 07:18:44
Unlike the outdated Holmes/Rahe stress scale that uses the past 2 years of stress load to anticipate stress disorders allostatic load starts before you were born.
With allostasis it is the lifelong change or accommodation an organism endures allostatic load looks at the amount of accommodation an organism has endured and how that organism is able to alter than load. For instance if you always put your toothbrush in the cup on the right side of the sink and I move it to the left during the night you have stress of accommodation and allostatic load.
Allostasis also encompasses inanimate objects when you bend a piece of metal too many times it breaks. At this point it has reached its load same with humans our genetics and stress coping skills predict how much load we can endure before we break.
Wounded children/adults start out with huge load deficits and then seldom have appropriate management skills and make poor life choices for ourselves so we tend to breakdown with diverse conditions.
While the universe can hand us significant external load most of the load is internal and goes on without our awareness.
Wounded children start with a load deficit often before they are born. We also know that children born to a mother under stress or with stress before the age of 14 have nervous systems that are permanently altered toward sympathetic arousal. |
| plum |
Posted - 02/03/2013 : 07:17:38
Balto. Bless you.
Your answer is incredibly helpful. |
| balto |
Posted - 02/03/2013 : 07:12:03
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Originally posted by All1Spirit
panic anxiety fibromyalgia irritable bowel TMJ Chronic Fatigue
Just my thoughts, those above are just symptoms of the same condition (disease), They all causes by negative emotion/thoughts,events.
Dr Sarno taught me that emotion can caused pain and other symptoms anywhere in my body, but Dr Weekes is the one who cured me of my symptoms. Her method work not only with "nerve" pain, it will work with all mindbody symptoms/condition.
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| plum |
Posted - 02/03/2013 : 07:00:04
Beauty of a question. I very, very much look forward to the responses to this.
I have tmj and cut short tests for fibro because I discovered Sarno. I've derived little benefit from following his treatment plan but started reading Claire Weekes a little over a week ago and really feel better in all ways. I'm also following Ace1's keys which sail pretty close to Weekes given my early reading. Maybe my problem is anxiety based..?
Not heard of Allostatic load before so have read a little and now wonder how all this fits together. I've not done a jigsaw puzzle for years so this could be fun. |
