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| balto |
Posted - 12/17/2012 : 20:23:44
I have no idea who wrote the article below and not sure if it is really true, but I thought it is interesting and like to share it here. Hope Ace can some thought on this one.
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The following are typical personality traits found in those with cancer:
1. Being highly conscientious, caring, dutiful, responsible, hard-working, and usually of above average intelligence.
2. Exhibits a strong tendency toward carrying other people's burdens and toward taking on extra obligations, and often "worrying for others."
3. Having a deep-seated need to make others happy. Being a "people pleaser" with a great need for approval.
4. Often lacking closeness with one or both parents, which sometimes, later in life, results in lack of closeness with spouse or others who would normally be close.
5. Harbours long-suppressed toxic emotions, such as anger, resentment and/or hostility. The cancer-susceptible individual typically internalizes such emotions and has great difficulty expressing them.
6. Reacts adversely to stress, and often becomes unable to cope adequately with such stress. Usually experiences an especially damaging event about 2 years before the onset of detectable cancer. The patient is not able to cope with this traumatic event or series of events, which comes as a "last straw" on top of years of suppressed reactions to stress.
7. Has an inability to resolve deep-seated emotional problems and conflicts, usually beginning in childhood, often even being unaware of their presence.
It is very common for those with cancer to have a long-standing tendency to suppress "toxic emotions", particularly anger. Usually beginning in childhood, this individual has held in their hostility and other unacceptable emotions. More often than not, this feature of the affected personality has its origins in feelings of rejection by one or both parents. Whether these feelings of rejection are justified or not, the individual perceives this rejection as real, and this results in a lack of closeness with the "rejecting" parent, followed later in life by a lack of closeness with spouses and others with whom close relationships would normally develop.
Those at the higher risk for cancer tend to develop feelings of loneliness as a result of their having been deprived of affection and acceptance earlier in life, even if this is only their perception. They have a tremendous need for approval and acceptance, and develop a very high sensitivity to the needs of others while suppressing their own emotional needs. They become the "caretakers" of the world, showing great compassion and caring for others, and will go out of their way to look after others. They are very reluctant to accept help from others, fearing that it may jeopardize their role as the caretaker. Throughout their childhood they have been typically taught "not to be selfish", and they take this to heart as a major lifetime objective.
A distinction needs to be made here between the "care-giving" and the "care-taking" personality. There is nothing wrong with care-giving, of course, but the problem arises when the susceptible individual derives their entire worth, value and identity from their role as "caretaker". If this very important shift cannot be made, the patient is stuck in this role, and the susceptibility to cancer greatly increases.
As already stated, a consistent feature of those who are susceptible to cancer appears to be that they "suffer in silence", and bear their burdens without complaint. These burdens of their own as well as the burdens of others weigh heavily upon these people through a lifetime of emotional suppression. The carefree extrovert, on the other hand, seems to be far less vulnerable to cancer than the caring introvert described above.
How one reacts to stress appears to be a major factor in the larger number of contributing causes of cancer. Most cancer patients have experienced a highly stressful event, usually about 2 years prior to the onset of detectable disease. This traumatic event is often beyond the patient's control, such as the loss of a loved one, loss of a business, job, home, or some other major disaster. The typical cancer personality has lost the ability to cope with these extreme events, because his/her coping mechanism lies in his/her ability to control the environment. When this control is lost, the patient has no other way to cope.
Major stress causes suppression of the immune system, and does so more overwhelmingly in the cancer-susceptible individual than in others. Thus personal tragedies and excessive levels of stress appear to combine with the underlying personality described above to bring on the immune deficiency which allows cancer to thrive.
For the majority of people, coping with stress and highly stressful or traumatic events or conflicts is dealt with, with relative ease. Although those in this larger group feel the devastating effects of stress, stressful events, trauma, and conflicts, including grief and loss - stressful events are seen as part of life's challenges, life's ups and downs, and they are for they most part anticipated and not completely unexpected. These people are able to move on with their lives quickly afterwards.
Those susceptible to cancer, are highly vulnerable to life's stresses and trauma, and feel unable to cope when life throws a curve-ball their way. These people are perfectionists and live in fear of conflict, stress, trauma and loss and are deeply frightened of negative events "happening" to them. And when faced with a highly stressful or traumatic event they have not anticipated, which inevitably happens during their life, react adversely and are unable to cope.
They experience inescapable shock and remain deeply affected by the experience. They have difficulty in expressing their inner grief, their inner pain, their inner anger or resentment, and genuinely feel there is no way out of the pain they are feeling inside. And because their mind cannot fathom what has happened, and remains in a state of disbelief or denial, these inner painful feelings are continually perpetuated, shooting up stress levels, lowering melatonin and adrenaline levels, causing a slow breakdown of the emotional reflex centre in the brain, and creating the beginning of cancer progression in the body.
When faced with a major trauma, the cancer personality feels trapped and unable to escape from the memory of the traumatic experience and the painful feelings of the experience. Stress hormone cortisol levels skyrocket and remain at high levels, directly suppressing the immune system, whose job it is to destroy cancer cells that exist in every human being. High stress levels generally means a person cannot sleep well, and cannot produce enough Melatonin during deep sleep. Melatonin is responsible for inhibiting cancer cell growth. This means cancer cells are now free to multiply. Adrenaline levels also skyrocket initially, but are then drained and depleted over time. This is especially bad news for the cancer personality.
Adrenaline is responsible for transporting sugar away from cells. And when there is no adrenaline left, sugar builds up in cells of the body. Viral-bacterial-yeast-like-fungus then inhabit normal cells to feed on this excess sugar, breaking the cell's (oxygen) krebs cycle. This means normal body cells cannot breathe properly because of low oxygen and mutate during the dividing process into cancer cells. Cancer cells thrive in a low oxygen state, as demonstrated by Nobel Prize winner Otto Warburg. Cancer cells also thrive on fermented sugar for cell division, and this is provided by the viral-bacterial-yeast-like-fungus that ferment and feed on sugar in the perfect symbiotic relationship. Too much internal stress causes a depletion of adrenaline, leads to too much sugar in the body's cells, resulting in the perfect environment for cancer cells to thrive in the body.
For the cancer personality, the news of being diagnosed with cancer and the fear and uncertainty of death represents another inescapable shock, creating another spike in stress hormone cortisol levels, and a further drop in melatonin and adrenalin levels. There is also a further breakdown of the emotional reflex centre in the brain that causes cells in the corresponding organ to slowly breakdown and become cancerous.
One of the most recent studies on psychosomatic cancer therapy comes from Germany. Over the past ten years, medical doctor / surgeon Ryke-Geerd Hamer has examined 20,000 cancer patients with all types of cancer. Dr. Hamer wondered why cancer never seems to systematically spread directly from one organ to the surrounding tissue. For example, he never found cancer of the cervix AND cancer of the uterus in the same woman. He also noticed that all his cancer patients seemed to have something in common: there had been some kind of psycho emotional conflict prior to the onset of their disease - usually a few years before - a conflict that had never been fully resolved.
X-rays taken of the brain by cancer Dr. Hamer showed in all cases a 'dark shadow' somewhere in the brain. These dark spots would be in exactly the same place in the brain for the same types of cancer. There was also a 100% correlation between the dark spot in the brain, the location of the cancer in the body and the specific type of unresolved conflict. On the basis of these findings, Dr. Hamer suggests that when we are in a stressful conflict that is not resolved, the emotional reflex center in the brain which corresponds to the experienced emotion (e.g: anger, frustration, grief) will slowly break down. Each of these emotion centers are connected to a specific organ. When a center breaks down, it will start sending wrong information to the organ it controls, resulting in the formation of deformed cells in the tissues: cancer cells. He also suggests that metastasis is not the SAME cancer spreading. It is the result of new conflicts that may well be brought on by the very stress of having cancer or of invasive and painful or nauseating therapies.
Dr Hamer started including psychotherapy as an important part of the healing process and found that when the specific conflict was resolved, the cancer immediately stopped growing at a cellular level. The dark spot in the brain started to disappear. X-rays of the brain now showed a healing edema around the damaged emotional center as the brain tissue began to repair the afflicted point. There was once again normal communication between brain and body. A similar healing edema could also be seen around the now inactive cancer tissue. Eventually, the cancer would become encapsulated, discharged or dealt with by the natural action of the body. Diseased tissue would disappear and normal tissue would then again appear.
According to cancer Dr Hamer the real cause of cancer and other diseases is an unexpected traumatic shock for which we are emotionally unprepared. The following list shows some of the relationships between conflict emotions and target organs for cancer.
Adrenal Cortex: Wrong Direction. Gone Astray
Bladder: Ugly Conflict. Dirty Tricks
Bone: Lack of Self-Worth. Inferiority Feeling
Brain: Tumor Stubborness. Refusing to Change Old Patterns. Mental Frustration
Breast (Milk Gland): Involving Care or Disharmony
Breast (Milk Duct): Separation Conflict
Breast (Left): Conflict Concerning Child, Home, or Mother
Breast (Right): Conflict with Partner or Others
Bronchioles: Territorial Conflict
Cervix: Severe Frustration
Colon: Ugly Indigestible Conflict
Esophagus: Cannot Have it or Swallow it
Gall Bladder: Rivalry Conflict
Heart: Perpetual Conflict
Intestines: Indigestible Chunk of Anger
Kidneys: Not Wanting to Live. Water or Fluid Conflict
Larynx: Conflict of Fear and Fright
Liver: Fear of Starvation
Lungs: Fear of Dying or Suffocation, including Fear for Someone Else
Lymph Glands: Loss of Self-Worth associated with the Location
Melanoma: Feeling Dirty, Soiled, Defiled
Middle Ear: Not being able to get some Vital Information
Mouth: Cannot Chew It or Hold It
Pancreas: Anxiety-Anger Conflict with Family Members. Inheritence
Prostate: Ugly Conflict with Sexual Connections or Connotations
Rectum: Fear of Being Useless
Skin: Loss of Integrity
Spleen: Shock of Being Physically or Emotionally Wounded
Stomach: Indigestible Anger. Swallowed Too Much
Testes and Ovaries: Loss Conflict
Thyroid: Feeling Powerless
Tumor (in location): Nursing old Hurts and Shocks. Building Remorse
Uterus: Sexual Conflict
Cancer occurs at the cellular level. And there are a number of factors that create stress on the body's cells, causing them to become (1) depleted of adrenaline, (2) high in sugar and (3) low in oxygen, where they are more prone to mutate and become cancerous. The higher the sugar content of the cell caused by a depletion of adrenaline, and the lower the oxygen content, the greater the likelihood of normal cells mutating and becoming cancerous.
There are a number of factors that contribute to a normal cell becoming depleted of adrenaline, high in sugar and low in oxygen. Physiological stresses include (and are not limited to): Poor nutrition, Chemicals, Toxins, EMF Radiation, Parasites, Liver / Colon / Kidney disease, Lack of Exercise, etc. Psychological stresses include (and are not limited to): Inescapable Shock, Repressed Feelings, Depression, Isolation, Poor Sleep, Emotional Trauma, External Conflict, etc.
In the vast majority of those with cancer, there exists both a combination of psychological as well as physiological stresses that have contributed to the body's cells becoming depleted of adrenaline, high in sugar and low in oxygen, causing them to mutate and become cancerous.
5 stages of cancer of how tumors are formed within the body:
Phase 1 - Inescapable Shock / Emotional Trauma
This initial phase occurs approximately 2 years prior to the cancer diagnosis. This is where the individual experiences an "inescapable shock", affecting deep sleep and the production of melatonin within the body. Melatonin is necessary for inhibiting cancer cell growth and is the primary hormone responsible for regulating the immune system. During this phase a part of the emotional reflex centre in the brain slowly breaks down, creating a dark spot on the brain (viewed by X-ray). Each part of the emotional reflex centre controls and is connected to an organ or part of the body, and when the emotion centre begins to break down, so too does the organ or body part it is connected to.
Phase 2 - Stress Suppresses The Immune System
During this second phase, the immune system is suppressed by elevated stress hormone cortisol levels. The immune system also receives subconscious messages from the affected emotion centre of the brain to slow down, and to even stop working altogether. An individual experiencing "inescapable shock" often feels like they have died "emotionally" on some level, and the immune system receives these messages as a subliminal signal or command to give up the fight to live also. This causes somatids to react. Somatids are tiny living organisms (necessary for life) that live in our blood. Different types of somatids are specific to and inhabit different organs of the body. In a healthy organism, where the immune system is functioning properly, these somatids are limited to 3 stages in their life cycle - somatid, spore, double spore. When the immune system is impaired or suppressed, somatids pleomorphise (or change) into a further 13 stages (16 altogether).These further 13 stages are pathogenic (harmful) to the body and include viral, bacterial, and yeast-like fungus forms.
Phase 3 - Stress Causes Cell Glucose Levels to Rise
Over time, elevated stress hormone levels cause adrenaline levels to be depleted within the body, causing glucose (sugar) levels to rise within normal cells. The main purpose of adrenaline is to remove and convert glucose from cells for energy for the body, just as it is the main purpose of insulin to transport glucose (sugar) into cells. When the adrenaline reserves are depleted, glucose (sugar) levels increase sharply within cells - leaving little room for oxygen. This is why so many cancer patients are weak and lethargic, because they have no adrenaline left (or very little) to convert the glucose in their cells into energy for the body and their cells subsequently have very little room left to accept oxygen from passing blood.
Phase 4 - Fungus Enter Cells to Feed on Glucose
During this fourth phase, pathogenic microbes (virus-bacteria-fungus) that have pleomorphised and established themselves in a weakened part of the body, enter normal cells to feed on high glucose levels. This fermentation of glucose causes "mycotoxins" to be released (a highly acidic waste product), which 1) breaks the Krebs Cycle of the cell (a process that uses oxygen as part of cellular respiration), and 2) breaks the Electron Transport Chain of the cell, meaning the number of ATP molecules drops dramatically. (ATP molecules provide energy to the cell.) This lack of oxygen and cell energy means normal cells mutate during the dividing process - creating new rogue cancer cells. The body's tissue and cells become highly acidic (low pH) due to the waste by-products caused by these viral-bacterial-yeast-like fungus. Over-acidification of the body also occurs due to fermentation of excess stress hormones in the body, poor diet (low pH value foods), and lack of exercise. Viruses, bacteria, yeast, mould, fungus, candida and cancer cells thrive in a low pH acidic environment.
Phase 5 - Fungus and Cancer Form Symbiotic Relationship
During this fifth phase viral-bacterial-yeast-like fungus form a symbiotic relationship with newly created cancer/tumor cells. Yeast-like fungus is symbiotic in nature and feeds on the high levels of glucose to use for energy for reproduction of new somatids. The yeast-like fungus provides a natural fermentation process and ferments the glucose within the cancer/tumor cell, providing energy and a natural growth factor in return. The yeast-like fungus uses the cancer/tumor cells as a host or house for their rich reserves of glucose, and stimulates these cancer/tumor cells to propagate more houses. The result is a mass of tumor cells, or tumor sites. Yeast-like fungus prevent cancer / tumor cells reverting back into normal healthy cells (re-establishing their Krebs Cycle), as they continue to cause "mycotoxins" to be released (a highly acidic waste product), meaning cancer / tumor cells in a sense are held hostage to the yeast-like fungus that inhabit them.
Phase 6 - Stress Stimulates Tumor Cell Growth / Metastases
During this final phase elevated stress hormone norepinephrine and epinephine levels, stimulate tumor cells to produce three (3) compounds: MMP-2 and MMP-9 (both martix metalloproteinases) and the growth compound VEGF (Vascular Endothelial Growth Factor). Tumor cells make receptors for these stress hormones on their surface, to stimulate these three compounds. MMP-2 and MMP-9 breakdown the scaffolding of tumor cell walls making it easier for them to travel to other parts of the body, a process known as metastasis. VEGF causes blood vessels to grow in new tumor cells, so that they can grow and spread more rapidly. News of cancer at this stage, often becomes a further "inescapable shock" and the cycle begins again with secondary tumor sites forming in different parts or organs of the body.
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| eric watson |
Posted - 12/20/2012 : 05:17:01
quote:
Originally posted by Cath
I know from experience that this topic is scary, but generally I find that knowledge and discussion helps to alleviate the fear and anxiety. Aren't we supposed to be facing our fears and laughing them.
The personality traits described in the article are me. But this knowledge will help me to try to change now.
we can face our fears and change-thats what tms awareness is all about-this is a deep and sensitive subject-god bless you balto-
my mom went home to be with the lord in 2003-she smoked-she had severe fear and anxiety which i know was terrible tms traits that she would not face or let go of...i know she coughed hard from the time i was just an infant-
at times i thought she wouldnt be able to catch her breath and die of suffication-it was very frientening to me as a child and adult-after and in between the spells she would light another cigarette and say it helped her breathe better-even as a little boy i knew this wasnt true-
i knew the smoke was agitating her lungs but i didnt know of the power of fear and extreme anxiety a hold it could have in peoples lives-i was in constant fear for her then.
i think her tms anxiety was the catlyst for her to reach for another cigerette and it was habitual-i know the coughing was just a by product of her addiction-and by staying in this habit of smoke irritation,severe fear and extreme anxiety she passed at the young age of 64-
i believe carcigens played a powerful role in this all but it was the fear of death that i remember that had such a powerful hold on her,she didnt know about acceptance and letting go-when she grew up it was a time that if my mom was a worrier well i was a worrier and thats it,no change,-i was born this way shed say to me,you cant change that.
its hope that can move the mountain i know now,if we want we can change -theres no doubt some fear rest in us all,its the extreme fear and anxiety that i saw take my mom so early,
i know the carcigens didnt help but my aunt smoked her whole life and lived to be 89-although i beleive she died of a broken heart but i never remeber her in extreme fear,but she to had an anxiety of always looking out the window and worrying about her children-i just never remember her in extreme fear like my mom-
but aunt pauline smoked about 2 packs a day
the case with baltos neice(again balto i am sorry)i believe is proof from the other end of the spectrum that sometimes we just dont know why.... |
| Cath |
Posted - 12/20/2012 : 02:33:35
I know from experience that this topic is scary, but generally I find that knowledge and discussion helps to alleviate the fear and anxiety. Aren't we supposed to be facing our fears and laughing them.
The personality traits described in the article are me. But this knowledge will help me to try to change now. |
| pspa123 |
Posted - 12/19/2012 : 14:03:21
For a person with health anxiety, the balance between exposure/desensitization (which as Ace1 says is ultimately the best treatment) and avoidance of fear-provoking stressors is a delicate one. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 12/19/2012 : 13:47:36
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Originally posted by kalo
This is one of the many reasons I will not visit this forum much!
Hi Kalo,
Sorry this topic is scary to you, I've been in your frame of mind at times and suggest you just ignore the topic and forget you ever saw it here. I would suggest you read the threads that are more helpful to you. I think if it's in your emotional comfort level, it may be good for you in the long run, to open up and explore the things that are troubling to you about this forum and you are welcome to include me in it.
Happy Holidays,
tt
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod
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TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
| pspa123 |
Posted - 12/19/2012 : 10:41:33
Thank you, that is a helpful way of looking at it. |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 12/19/2012 : 10:36:00
Im not looking at it from Dr. Sarno's perpective, so I am looking at it from a stress standpoint. However, if you want to take it to another level with Dr. Sarno's theory, one could look at it as first mild illnesses that are distractions and then if not "fixed", the body goes into self destruct mode |
| pspa123 |
Posted - 12/19/2012 : 10:26:39
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Originally posted by Ace1
TMS equivalents means the psychological results in a need for symptoms, which could be anything, and that all that means,- an illness related to tension
Again, forgive me for perhaps not getting it, although I have read several books as well as much on this forum. I can understand, at least at the theoretical level, the creation of benign pain to distract the individual from unacceptable emotions. I have read people defending and questioning that proposition. But leaving that aside, it seems a horse of an altogether different color to suggest that the mind will create a potentially fatal disease to distract the individual from unacceptable emotions. That to me, and maybe I am thinking about it too literally or linearly, does not make sense from any perspective. I understand, on the other hand, the theory that a highly stressed invidivual's resistance to disease can break down. These two concepts do not seem to me to be the same thing. |
| mchan |
Posted - 12/19/2012 : 10:04:02
This is an amazing article, and explains a lot to me personally. I am so grateful you posted this, thank you.
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Love Wins. |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 12/19/2012 : 09:44:57
Good luck to you Kalo, I wish you good health, but I think this topic is very approprate as I think if someone developed something like this, I think that person should try to use the KNOWLEGE they obtained to help themselves insead of being just another victim with very dismal chances from the standard medical system. I think you need to desensitize yourself to things that bother you, including posts like this. This is listed on my keys to recovery. You will always encouter things that bother you, but to be able to let it go is the key to your success.
TMS equivalents means the psychological results in a need for symptoms, which could be anything, and that all that means,- an illness related to tension |
| kalo |
Posted - 12/19/2012 : 09:28:06
Hi All,
I am a member of this forum.
I usually do not come on here very often, however, I usually don't reply or post much, but, I felt I had to respond to this thread!
This topic doesn't HELP one bit and if one does suffer "health anxiety" it's even worst.
I am speaking for myself but some of those emotions that are on that list, some what describe me. I am very much trying to work hard at correcting and coming to peace.
What are we supposed to do to avoid the dreaded "C" become like an enlighten Buddha??? What if you don't accomplish it with in a year and you still are working on life's stressors and or the past???
How many of us can become enlighted to avoided diseases like this?
I believe that most BEGIN pain is caused by TMS, but, this TOPIC should be removed!
This is one of the many reasons I will not visit this forum much!
Kalo |
| pspa123 |
Posted - 12/19/2012 : 07:12:37
I have what is really a vocabulary question about what it means to be a TMS equivalent. When folks talk of cancer (or other diseases) as a TMS equivalent, do you mean in the narrow sense of being a distraction created to avoid unacceptable emotions, or in the broader sense of stress and emotional conflict contributing to a physiological breakdown? Perhaps the question is not even meaningful, but in many of these discussions and in many past threads -- even in the pain context -- I see both concepts being discussed under the TMS umbrella and would like to understand. |
| Cath |
Posted - 12/19/2012 : 06:23:38
Balto, thank you for this post. As someone whose chronic pain coincided with 4 cases of skin cancer (one melanoma and three BCCs), I tend to agree that some cancers are a severe form of TMS.
My mother also died from pancreatic cancer after a lifetime of typical digestive TMS symptoms of chronic acid reflux, which led to Barrett's Disease, and IBS. My cancers and chronic pain began just a few months after she passed away. |
| jegol71 |
Posted - 12/18/2012 : 21:31:59
Peregrinus Posted - 12/18/2012 : 21:24:04
JEGOL:
Are you saying it is not nonsense?
It's all discussion. Ignoring the mechanism, the discussion is about cancer being emotional versus cancer not being emotional. That proposition is an area of unknown to everyone, making the thesis equally sense and nonsense. You have used "nonsense" in much more than this post.
How does someone with TMS benefit from nonsense?
They don't. But who appointed you the arbiter of what is and isn't nonsense?.
Are you projecting?
Actually, I don't think I am this time.
If so I forgive you.
Thank you!
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| Peregrinus |
Posted - 12/18/2012 : 21:24:04
JEGOL:
Are you saying it is not nonsense?
How does someone with TMS benefit from nonsense?
Are you projecting? If so I forgive you. |
| jegol71 |
Posted - 12/18/2012 : 21:07:18
quote:
Originally posted by Peregrinus
O.K. insisting the world is not flat deserves a response. In 1963 (not sure of the date) an article in Scientific American reported on what turned out to be the definitive study linking smoking and Lung cancer. Too bad they didn’t read Balto’s article because they could have saved a lot of trouble because that article would have told them that lung cancer is caused by “Fear of Dying or Suffocation, including Fear for Someone Else”. Anyway, the surgeon general read that article and a few years later (high speed for the government) he issued the famous report about lung cancer and smoking. What was striking to me in that article was the fact that lung cancer is virtually unknown for people living outside cities and who don’t smoke. Now I know that this is because if you don’t live in a city and don’t smoke then you have no fear of dying or suffocation and no fear for someone else.
It's about talking, not attacking. Even if you think it's wrong, I can guarantee that you have nothing to add to the discussion by razing it. Regardless of whether you're right or you're wrong, or even if cancer is one day demonstrated to be caused by poor fashion sense, this buckshot vitriol that you spew, then swallow to recount to us your learning and growing and recognition of fears feels like a neurotic sine wave (and we're all neurotic).
But that does not give you social permission to lift your leg and drain cynicism all over everything, like a solipsist in a universe that you allegedly created and continue to create.
You call many things here nonsense. Your inflammatory posts are nonsense, because emotionally they make no sense to those seeking the benefit of this forum.
Furthermore, the negativity likely cuts too deep and close to home for many people, and judgment is useless and horrible in a place like this, with so many tipping points easily met. This is a place to point you towards destructive inner dialogs, but it is not a place to
do so at the expense of other people. It's the closest thing I've seen to bullying on here.
You have motivated me to speak my mind on something I felt was destructive.
Please consider why I have been blunt. |
| balto |
Posted - 12/18/2012 : 20:28:39
quote:
Originally posted by Ace1
SOme of this article seems somewhat true, some of it is fantasy I think, such as the fungus theory and xray with black area on the brain. I think the specfic problems atributed to certain types of cancer is not accurate.
Thanks Ace. I didn't think many of what's in the article is true. I thought I should post it here so we can have a little discussion about it. Hoping to learn more about cancer. The lost of my niece to cancer is still so hard for me to accept. It is such a challenge helping adults overcome tms, how can we help a 6 years old child overcome it, if cancer is truly a form of tms, how can we help a child to understand tms and heal him/herself?
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| balto |
Posted - 12/18/2012 : 20:19:34
quote:
Originally posted by Peregrinus
O.K. insisting the world is not flat deserves a response. In 1963 (not sure of the date) an article in Scientific American reported on what turned out to be the definitive study linking smoking and Lung cancer. Too bad they didn’t read Balto’s article because they could have saved a lot of trouble because that article would have told them that lung cancer is caused by “Fear of Dying or Suffocation, including Fear for Someone Else”. Anyway, the surgeon general read that article and a few years later (high speed for the government) he issued the famous report about lung cancer and smoking. What was striking to me in that article was the fact that lung cancer is virtually unknown for people living outside cities and who don’t smoke. Now I know that this is because if you don’t live in a city and don’t smoke then you have no fear of dying or suffocation and no fear for someone else.
This is much better. It is not that hard to have friendly discussions instead of being hostile and putting down people when you don't like their post. It doesn't make you better than anyone. People look up to you professor.
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 12/18/2012 : 13:33:16
Nicotine is a great relaxant, the Indians used it--what d'ya want, to live forever? It's that pot **** (merde) I'm worried about, there aint't no filters on them and who knows what conditions they are grown and rolled under--lots of potential for other people's germs. |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 12/18/2012 : 11:49:17
Also the psychological need for cigarettes in the first place is a form of TMS, which implies underlying TMS as a risk factor for cancer. How would one be able to tease out this aspect as being the real reason that cigarettes are so harmful? |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 12/18/2012 : 11:47:35
Actually that is not entirely true. Did you know Christopher Reeves wife died of lung cancer a few months after Chris and she was a never smoker? There are many cases like this too, but they just are not the majority. Now I agree that the specfic reasons given dont make much sense on this list and I do not support these. I have a deep theory about cigarrettes, which many may or may not believe. I think smoking exerts it negative effects mainly by intensifying tension. If someone uses a drug (cigarettes) to help them cover up their tension, then the person is more likely to endure more tension than they normally would. Therefore it allows people to have a higher level of tension overall. Obviously, there is more cell turnover with smoking, but if the immune system was strong enough it could possibly handle it, but if the immune system is weakened by what I just described, then the start of a cancer may not be so difficult to imagine. |
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