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| eric watson |
Posted - 11/24/2012 : 19:23:10
john sarno cures tms-claire weekes nerves-i understand that nervessness and pain are derived from tension but do the two teachings really mix?or compliment each other-i read about a few people here that said sarno didnt help and weekes did-i looked further and they were talking about anxiety and i thought this was about pain-i know sarno heals -he healed me-why are people comparing nervousness with pain
heres my story
ive had nervousness with the pain a long time
did the sarno method ,got healed
the pain is 100% gone
anxiety still to be dealt with
ill deal with the anxiety with weekes
but i wont mix the concepts unless like the dont fear concepts
how do you work the two together when one is saying dont concentrate on the pain and the other is saying let it float over you?
now im not to let the pain float over me right?
i understand the dont fear concept,we have to let the fear float over us,
but i remember when my back hurt -it was more so the pain that would have been the thing that i would have let float over me if i wasnt healed and knew better;
this thinking could hinder some people i believe
now ive came to 2 conclusions
1)some it works for -some it doesnt
2)or the part with the floating of pain is more so accepting...
but still isnt this going to mix some people up
and take them longer to heal
until they get this? |
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| eric watson |
Posted - 11/27/2012 : 09:37:58
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Originally posted by balto
My thought of floating is the same as endure it, observe it, make no effort to react in anyway... eventually that will lead to acceptance. Just like a floating balloon being passes from one kid to another. Just float and bounce around and eventually the kids will get bore and stop.
Just like you're inside enjoying the comfort of your A/C, watching your favorite TV show and your wife tell you to go out to cut the grass, it is 100F outside. What do you do? Just float and cut the grass. Eventually the grass will be cut and you will get to go back inside and enjoy the great dinner your wife made for you. Just float, don't fight it, don't get angry, don't even think about it... eventually (give it time) it will pass.
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No, I don't know everything. I'm just here to share my experience.
i got it-a metaphor that teaches floating seperate from acceptance-(floating first and then into acceptance)-very well said balto/ill resume my claire weekes studys now with that understanding-just dont want anyone to let the pain float over them-it was a misunderstanding on my part and i hope all the new people that need help like we did and still thrive on can look this post up one day and see the conclusion to this thread-ill spread the word/and to all the guys that jumped on the thread-thank you too....god bless |
| balto |
Posted - 11/27/2012 : 07:55:47
My thought of floating is the same as endure it, observe it, make no effort to react in anyway... eventually that will lead to acceptance. Just like a floating balloon being passes from one kid to another. Just float and bounce around and eventually the kids will get bore and stop.
Just like you're inside enjoying the comfort of your A/C, watching your favorite TV show and your wife tell you to go out to cut the grass, it is 100F outside. What do you do? Just float and cut the grass. Eventually the grass will be cut and you will get to go back inside and enjoy the great dinner your wife made for you. Just float, don't fight it, don't get angry, don't even think about it... eventually (give it time) it will pass.
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| eric watson |
Posted - 11/26/2012 : 17:30:28
Ace1 quote: (just accept it and work on the psychological. I think there is only one way to be really cured and thats the approach just mentioned.)
(float is to just accept it and ignore it,dont try to stop the pain or beat it)....
acceptance ,releasing and thinking psycological was my final method/
this is a great way to look at it...
but her definition of float is to let the anxiety float over you or past you through your body-isnt that quite different from the ignore method of sarno, although i know he has acceptance too but its the acceptance you described above-her method of floating is number 2 on her 4 things to know -her acceptance is number 3-its like sarnos acceptance too so how can we say her floating is the samething unless we agree that her steps are facing -acceptance-acceptance-time/instead of fscing-floating-acceptance and time....
you see my point
but to say lets all agree that this is how we complement the two ,then ok i know...
this was what i had thought was the only way to compare to start with...
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| balto |
Posted - 11/26/2012 : 17:00:57
Eric, Dr Weekes also said in her book there is two fears when you're being attack with a symptoms. The first fear is the fear of the pain, fear of the symptoms.
The second fear is the fear of what those symptoms could mean to your body. (back pain - I'm going to be paralyze, my nerve is going to be permanently damage..., headache - I'm having a brain tumor...) All those what if, oh my Gosh, I'm going to... is the second fear and is what keep your symptoms alive. When she tell us to float I think she want us to accept the symptoms, live with it, make peace with it, don't give it any weight, don't care about it,... then give it sometime, it will leave.
I'm very very pro claire Weekes here. Dr Sarno show us that many thing "wrongs" with our body can have an emotional cause, but Dr Weekes' book is what helped me rid of tms/anxiety. She was a "nerve" doctor so she only wrote about "nerve" problem. But what she taught will get rid of "ALL" Mindbody symptoms, it did for me and many people I know.
I now see that Mindbody teachers may have different explaination of what causes our MBS, but they all taught us how to achieve the same thing: "You Are What You Think"
If your thought is positive you will be well.
If your thought is negative you will not be well.
all the left over symptoms are just conditioning.
How to achieve that is up to us.
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| Ace1 |
Posted - 11/26/2012 : 08:08:55
Eric I think float is to just accept it and ignore it, meaning dont do anything about it particularly, just use it as a sign to calm yourself down. What she means is dont try to stop the pain or beat it, just accept it and work on the psychological. I think there is only one way to be really cured and thats the approach just mentioned. |
| eric watson |
Posted - 11/25/2012 : 18:51:54
andy64tms quote ( floating is the equivalent to Dr. Sarno's acceptance.)
thanks andy i knew this was it (2)-of the original post)-i just thought it might be hard for someone new to understand and get confused-(floating is the opposite of fighting )-thats a better way to accept the two theorys .
-so i accept floating as acceptance of the tms theory and acceptance that the pain is there but it will leave
i still think some people will think to let the pain float over them and in reality were supposed to ignore the pain -see my point-
but if people understand how to change floating to acceptance here on the tms forum in that way when they read weekes then i can accept that-thanks
ps...a lot of acceptance-helped me tons |
| andy64tms |
Posted - 11/25/2012 : 18:17:14
Hi Eric,
I have pondered your question re- Dr.Sarno and Claire Weekes. I have only read a small amount about Claire Weekes anxiety, but know Dr. Sarno’s teachings well. I think they complement each other.
Each and every one’s healing is different as the person; some have anxiety, some pain and others both. Claire Weekes floating is the opposite of fighting and can be used for both anxiety and pain. This floating is the equivalent to Dr. Sarno's acceptance.
This is the way I see the pain-anxiety mix:
Sometimes anxiety causes you physical pain. For example when I am anxious and worried my neck pain kicks in and a headache ensues.
Other times anxiety is the pain, (TMS equivalent). For example one time I had terrible anxiety when I walked off my job in a huff. I felt terrible and in a panic.
Other times your pain can cause you to have anxiety. For example most new posters worry excessively about their symptoms, and when they come to this forum they learn not to.
I’m sure there are many other anxiety-pain mixes, in reality we have to find the best way to deal with both. Well done Eric, you are pain free in a very short time period, you must have a very open and receptive mind, you have proved Dr. Sarno’s theory for yourself, and no-one can ever take that away. I’m very happy for you.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
| eric watson |
Posted - 11/25/2012 : 09:45:58
thanks tom ,
i know sarnos theory works
i know anxiety is produced along with the pain
but after i healed and before, i meditated on healing
all the concepts from sarno to steveo and that was all i needed to get rid of the pain and the anxiety of the pain.
...the anxiety i describe that i know claire
would help with would be the panic attacks ive had for 25 yrs
on top of this i havent had a panic attack since ive been healed of the back pain
i remember reading how a lot of the eqilivents will go when your healed of the pain-
the panic attack anxiety i believe is already gone and if something occurs in that region then i know what to do there too
face -float-accept and time
but like i said the anxiety from pain
was completely different than the panic attack anxiety....
my healing from the pain and anxiety that went with it was an understanding that i had mind power over the pain to keep it or throw it away,and throw it away i did,as soon as i understood....
i didnt use any claire weekes at all for the healing from pain...
she was next in my line of books to study and when i did i thought the 2 concepts are completely different but they have things in common too....
heres my point
i dont believe weekes can heal pain like sarno
i dont believe sarno can heal nerves like claire,but after the pain leaves i really know that pain anxiety will leave too
now i know that certain anxietys can lead to pain ive read about them here on the site
but isnt sarnos method called healing back pain/doesnt his system work for the people in pain- yes......
to my conclusion so far my friend- i wouldnt mix the two until your totally healed of physical pain and im talking about a healing like you fealt before the pain ever occured;im totlly pain free ,not a twinge -nothing
and i really understand panic attacks as said above
but if you mix the theorys and your not totally healed from physical pain, i believe it will hinder people
im healed and it confused me
confusion is anxiety producing
people r different i know
like i said to be 100% healed from physical pain-sarno and steveo are all the knowledge i needed
and this forum of course
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 11/25/2012 : 08:17:57
quote:
Originally posted by eric watson
...but i remember when my back hurt -it was more so the pain that would have been the thing that i would have let float over me if i wasnt healed and knew better;
Hi Eric,
Anxiety is a TMS symptom equivalent, you can read about it on page 117 of SteveO, under the heading titled: "Anchors Aweigh My Boys, Anchors--Aweigh" .
"Anxiety is an equivalent to pain and pain is an anchor for anxiety."
SteveO has an interesting discussion about when he was near the end of ridding himself of life long pain, how the gremlin tried a last ditch ploy of disorienting him and making him dizzy through the use of the affective TMS equivalent of ANXIETY.
Eric, if you're not careful, you may have to give up your day job and hang up a shingle as a TMS counselor.
My lady friend's interpretation of this would be: "Mercury's in retrograde."
Cheers, 
tt
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