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| ron213 |
Posted - 11/14/2012 : 04:57:33
Hi,
im suffering from pain in my hands (all tests were negative),
the pain was terrible at times, i could not pick up a glass, or let alone type on the computer. i attributed it to over typing.
(i am a programmer), while looking for a solution for my problem over the internet(spent countless hrs, and it was painfull as well...), i became aware of sarno's book.
i have read the book, and im doing everything that is recommended.
however, even though i made a huge progress alone, i felt that i should meat with a psychiatrist, because i havent healed completely yet, and sarno stated that some individuals requires more work than others.
the psychiatrist among other advised me to take Amitriptyline 10mg once daily, to help my recovery. he is not a TMS specialist as there are none where i live.
what is your opinion about taking drugs, to help overcome tms?
Thanks of your help!
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| kenny V |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 15:39:22
Here is a posts on the subject that may be helpful. JMHO it has both positive feed back on how to help overcome TMS along with a few strong warnings in how Drugs may not be a good choice.
For one there are some the major consequences of taking them . Btw I almost died when I was at my whits End ...i tried everything then was at the pain institute and they only had me on 1500 mg of Neorontin . Btw I thank God everyday since 2003 that I had applied Dr Sarno
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6539
IMO to do the healing work of TMS you need to get though to uncover the root issue. Often times many drugs mask and cover up our “real” emotions making it that more complicated to discover the underlying issues that bring lasting healing.
HTH
kenny V
Always Hope For Recovery
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| pspa123 |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 13:57:25
Amitriptyline is an antidepressant, one generation prior to the SSRI antidepressants. |
| Dave |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 13:09:43
quote:
Originally posted by ron213
what is your opinion about taking drugs, to help overcome tms?
There is no drug to "help overcome" TMS. So, I believe it is counterproductive to take a medicine if your mindset is such that you believe the medicine will provide some type of "cure" of TMS.
On the other hand, suffering is not a necessary ingredient of recovery. Dr. Sarno did prescribe painkillers as needed. However, it is important to accept that the medicine is only treating the symptoms and not the cause. It is not a substitute for doing the psychological work.
I am not familiar with Amitriptyline, but in my opinion if it is being prescribed by someone other than a psychiatrist, and not explicitly for treatment of psychological symptoms, I would be highly suspect of that physician. |
| ron213 |
Posted - 12/05/2012 : 11:03:20
Thanks
Good luck to you all! |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 11/18/2012 : 17:37:57
It is common and only human to be nagged by doubts, especially when the symptoms become a bit intense. During these times concentrate on current stressors, personality traits contributing to your symptoms and past trauma which may be a factor. You may not find the answer, but you are not focused on the symptoms. And, oh yeah, continue to resume all normal physical activity as there is NOTHING wrong with you. Honest! |
| pspa123 |
Posted - 11/18/2012 : 16:25:14
I believe Dr. Sopher's book has a section saying it's OK to take antidepressants if you're depressed, but since he wrote the book so much has come out debunking the serotonin hypothesis used to justify the drugs and suggesting they aren't very effective compared to placebo.
Ron I can relate to your situation. Most of the time I understand all too well that my neck pain is from the mind, but when it gets really severe I find myself again wondering if I have missed something and I find it very hard to follow the advice of staying positive, banishing fearful thoughts, etc. |
| ron213 |
Posted - 11/15/2012 : 02:14:16
Thank you for all your responses.
i agree with that you said, and indeed shall not consume any medication.
for the record, the situation might be different had there was some medical figure who diagnosed me as suffering from tms symptoms. as of now it is only my own assumption. doctors i see they say i have RSI, they say they saw ppl like me and that basically i am screwed, i should not use the computer and look for some other line of work.
i dont look for answers from doctors anymore, and i only see a psychiatric because i assume he might be able to assist (only had 2 meetings) but i did not learn anything new if tbh.
i try my best to maintain positive, this proves to be quite challenging at times when pain is present. (but thanks to the good book, i discovered quite shockingly that there is no correlation between how long im typing or what physical activity im doing and pain which might be present or that will follow, obviously im typing now and quite a lot with little or no pain, but i also have bad days)
again thanks for your help! |
| balto |
Posted - 11/14/2012 : 15:46:37
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Originally posted by ron213
All that being said, i cant help my self and i sometimes still think maybee i have some un diagnosed carpel tunnel, tennis elbow or tendinitis, or some unique affliction which is yet unknown to man.
Those are all well known tms symptoms. No one I know or heard of ever die or paralyze from them Ron. Just believe in yourself, believe in your body's own healing power. Your body is just showing those symptoms to tell you that your mind is not happy, your mind is not at peace. So be gentle to your mind. Stop putting anymore fear thoughts into it, only put happy thought, brave thoughts, positive thoughts into it and you will be cure in time.
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No, I don't know everything. I'm just here to share my experience. |
| SteveO |
Posted - 11/14/2012 : 10:17:55
This is a common question. Never take meds to heal from TMS. Some of the TMS docs won't treat people who refuse to back off of them.
They will drive the problem into another arena, normally an anxiety problem but often depression. They have also been shown to shift the pain to other areas. You can't stop TMS by hiding the problem it will just transform, or as Dr. Sarno said, "the brain will not be denied."
The med can hinder the integration and cognitive changes necessary to heal. They also show a lack of confidence in the diagnosis. You have to have belief in the TMS diagnosis to heal, which means you understand that your body is ok. Taking meds insinuates that something is wrong with the body.
If you need meds to function that's another thing and should be taken case by case. But they should not be used to heal from TMS.
Steve |
| ron213 |
Posted - 11/14/2012 : 08:33:36
Thank you,
I did not expect this forum to be so active, thank you for your input!
i dont know if i believe TMS 100%. i believe most parts,
sarno descriptions are fitting 100% on me (personality wise, and TMS symptoms), originally i was looking for a cure for my hands, but meanwhile, since i started practicing TMS, i suffer far far less from other symptoms (such as migraines, pain in my legs attributed to spondylosis, allergies , asthma and surprisingly some more also im adhd). i still have minor pain in my hands when typing, but now it seems i cant pick up heavy objects with out suffering from a sharp pain in my elbow (it was there all the time for the record)
i have my doubts about some of the mechanics described. i have read quite a lot on this subject including tms related topics, as i tend to get obsessive.
All that being said, i cant help my self and i sometimes still think maybee i have some un diagnosed carpel tunnel, tennis elbow or tendinitis, or some unique affliction which is yet unknown to man.
but bottom line, i believe that the brain is causing this pain, however i have yet to realize what is my "big conflict". because i feel a bit stuck i thought maybe some drugs will help me "to rewire" my brain in the right way.
Again thank you all for your input!
its really nice to be able to talk with ppl who might share the same problem.
Thanks |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 11/14/2012 : 07:58:10
You'll know pretty quick if the meds are agreeing with you or not. I was once prescribed Lexie's and they sent me to the ER with a panic attack.
I would recommend doing phone consults with a TMS therapist. I've never spoken to a therapist in the hot-tub who has heard of TMS and the Good Doctor nor shown any interest in psychosomatic medicine. They all want to be viewed as "professionals", as an adjunct to alopathic medicine or wannabee white coats--that's what got us into this mess to begin with, good ol' Descartes.
A wise TMS psychotherapist, Dr. Donald Dubin, now deceased, told me the most sessions he ever had to do to convey the TMS approach was a dozen. Accepting that it's TMS and not structural is the key to healing.
Here's some links to TMS practitioners:
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TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
| eric watson |
Posted - 11/14/2012 : 07:21:09
hang in there ron213 youll have plenty of golden advice coming your way soon -your at the right place-r you using the methods everyday and believe them without a doubt? |
| ron213 |
Posted - 11/14/2012 : 07:14:47
yes, i have studied as much as i can.
my dosage is much smaller though, only 10mg.
thank you for you input |
| eric watson |
Posted - 11/14/2012 : 06:56:35
im supposed to be on vacation but i havent left yet,my friend this amitriptylene drug was givin to my wife for insomnia ,instead she had-illusions-couldnt breathe-panic-the list goes on-it was 100 milligrams-they come in 75 m too-correct me if im wrong but if you take this you might be trippin-i just looked the name up on the pill wizard and its the same -its givin to my neice for anxiety and now shes addicted-im no dr.-go at your own choice -you have read sarno? have you studied all the methods? |
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