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| Hillbilly |
Posted - 10/23/2012 : 11:08:43
Thought I would share a grand piece of good news with you.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/9623863/IMFs-epic-plan-to-conjure-away-debt-and-dethrone-bankers.html
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"Failures do what is tension relieving, while winners do what is goal achieving."
Dennis Waitley
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| Plantweed |
Posted - 12/18/2012 : 13:44:57
I think I've said this before, but it's worth repeating: Hillbilly's posts saved my ass. Or rather, helped ME save my ass.
If you're stuck in a rut, or 1 step forward-2 steps back frustration, I'd recommend going back and reading all of his posts. The way he explained things was a breakthrough for me. It's all just reaction to stress.
I come back here every few months only to read his posts. Hi Hillbilly, and thanks! Now rock climbing, and ziplining, and long-distance motorcycle riding, and weight-lifting, and walking in cities for hours, and enjoying LIFE. |
| balto |
Posted - 11/02/2012 : 12:17:58
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Originally posted by Scottydog
Andy64,
In response to your sleep trick suggestion. I do something similar to get back to sleep but when I wake during the night I get this slight anxiety feeling, which then makes it hard to relax.
Have been an insomniac for 40 years so have tried everything plus some, the bottom line seems to be to deal with any little irk or annoyance as it arises. My husband of 30 years is, like me someone who doesn't show his emotions, and there are innumerable little quirks which I realised I felt were 'not worth making a fuss about', for example if he uses a brusque tone of voice with me (possibly due to something unrelated to me which has annoyed him) and me not taking him up on it. So I am trying to change that, though after 30 years it is tricky to change habits, but dealing with these minor annoyances is helping to relax me.
Also, of course, as with any TMS issue, making sure I am honest with myself and accept my weaknesses/ fears.
And doing what Hillbilly says and using self discipline to stop the despair and anxiety which is a big part of insomnia.
Anne
when it come to insomnia what worked best for me is reverse psychology. When I no longer care if I have enough sleep or not, when I no longer think sleep is important, insomnia just go away.
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No, I don't know everything. I'm just here to share my experience. |
| Hillbilly |
Posted - 11/02/2012 : 11:36:50
Tom,
We will agree to disagree. No problem there. Good luck. |
| Scottydog |
Posted - 11/02/2012 : 08:11:05
Andy64,
In response to your sleep trick suggestion. I do something similar to get back to sleep but when I wake during the night I get this slight anxiety feeling, which then makes it hard to relax.
Have been an insomniac for 40 years so have tried everything plus some, the bottom line seems to be to deal with any little irk or annoyance as it arises. My husband of 30 years is, like me someone who doesn't show his emotions, and there are innumerable little quirks which I realised I felt were 'not worth making a fuss about', for example if he uses a brusque tone of voice with me (possibly due to something unrelated to me which has annoyed him) and me not taking him up on it. So I am trying to change that, though after 30 years it is tricky to change habits, but dealing with these minor annoyances is helping to relax me.
Also, of course, as with any TMS issue, making sure I am honest with myself and accept my weaknesses/ fears.
And doing what Hillbilly says and using self discipline to stop the despair and anxiety which is a big part of insomnia.
Anne |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 11/02/2012 : 07:49:17
quote:
Originally posted by Hillbilly
... He gave her a book by a lady named Esther Gokhale, who, by coincidence, lives in Palo Alto, CA. She said all she had to do was learn again how to stand and sit and walk without babying her ailment and she got better in a couple of weeks. She gave me back my library and canceled her surgical consult with the stenosis engineer.
...The point is this: Dr. Sarno has helped a good number of people. That is doubtless. But his theory is unproven and will remain so. If it was a scientific fact, it would work like penicillin against bacteria.
Hibilly if you're still lurking the board, I made a note about Ester Gokahale after you mentioned her and finally took a look at her site. It had a video from a local TV news feature about her program. After having done fifteen years of yoga, (two "bad" asanas being my major TMS/"triggers" and done in my ass. I recognized all the yoga/ posture talk I'd heard many in classes. Ester is persuasive, attractive, has a nice bob hairdoo and only charges $4,500 for small group classes of 8-10 for her series, privates available for the hardcore (TMS'ers?).
The video had several equally attractive female doctors in white-coats, who had been cured by Ester and referred 100's of patients back to her. To me, it's pure placebo, I've done the same exercises at Egoscue's clinic or in yoga classes. I saw no mention of psychosomatic causes for back pain. I'm glad it helped your mother-in- law and shows the power of suggestion and placebo. It's the kind of thing--pre-Sarno--I would have thrown my booty and my money at--like Arthritis Week at the Tuscon fat farm.
I'll take my Sarno/TMS form of placebo instead. It has fully cured many "injuries" I would have fretted about in their tracks, or in short order. As for my hip, I had a scary thought yesterday: "What if it was cured?". What would I do without it?. What would protect me? I'm hanging onto being a hippy as long as I can, it's been one of my best coaches and shown me who my true friends are--I hope it doesn't abandon me.
As per your assertion that the Good Doctor's theory is "unproven", I must vehemently disagree with that. It is unproven by the current "scientific" view of what is proof--publication of studies in "respected" medical journals. The mysteries of the mind do not lend themselves to such quantification. The proof is the thousands of patients Dr. Sarno has cured after seeing him and those cured by reading his books.
The scientific proof is in our individual minds--it is the "knowledge penicillin". The scientific proof in the case of TMS must come from within not from without. I have personally proven it to myself on a daily basis by changing my thinking on mindbody health--there's my science. At to my hip--maybe as two TMS docs have said to me--it's arthritis, get a hip replacement sooner then later, (that's been over fifteen years ago). After reading SteveO's book, about his being cured after chronic pain in the same spot for thirty years, I'm still hanging in their and being a hopping-hippy.
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| pspa123 |
Posted - 11/01/2012 : 21:33:22
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Originally posted by bryan3000
Hillbilly has been instrumental in my progress in overcoming anxiety. Using the archives and reading his posts is a must for anyone suffering.
I agree with this post and also wish to thank him. I don't pretend to know nearly as much as most of you, but I must say that after Hillbilly gave what seemed a common sense answer to a question I posted about stretching (when many of you said don't do it, it reinforces a belief in a physical problem, etc.), I went back and read many of his past posts, and his views (I hope I am understanding them) that inability to cope with anxiety and stress can explain a great deal of pain without resort to Freudian concepts of unconscious rage truly resonated with me. |
| Hillbilly |
Posted - 10/31/2012 : 13:58:08
Tom,
Great. I once helped a company go through the valuation process in anticipation of an IPO. We met with the CFO and the Wall Street firm's underwriters after hours for dinner, and I asked the underwriters what he invested his money in. He looked at me rather quizzically and said, "Cash." I asked why. He said because you don't see the owners of the casino sitting at the blackjack table. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 10/30/2012 : 17:54:32
Hillbilly, like Pogo says, we have met the enemy and he/she is us. We are blessed to live in the best of times, yet most seem to see them as the worst of times. Democracy fails when the electorate figures out they can vote their own pay raises. We have an election coming up and most "voters" will decide who they want for a leader based on superficial elements such as hair and hight. Bottom line, folks in the best of TMS unconscious fashion, will vote their wallets, as well they should--without money they can't buy TMS books or pay for TMS shrinks.
Voters have the opportunity to vote in good leaders and representatives but will vote the party line, conveniently placed on a door hanger. Who wants to study candidates backgrounds or go to election nights, when there are so many more interesting things to do, like watch the World Series? I think their are a few honest representatives, but when the money in politics as good as it is in these irrationally exuberant times, they are few and far between. When the **** hits the fan and the economic cycle collapses as it always has and always will, the scallywags will head for the hills leaving the honest ones to clean up their mess. In the meantime, using sound economic principles, I'll keep my mullah' spread about in different baskets, in the hopes they are not plundered all at the same time.
Just my 2 cents |
| Hillbilly |
Posted - 10/30/2012 : 10:41:27
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From my life's experience when I encounter a grand scheme that promises to make the world better, that I can't understand, my flight/fight instinct tells me to take flight and fight. Since you understand this stuff it would be greatly helpful if you could distill it into simple man in the street language that I could understand--basically, if and when this is implemented on a world scale where will I take my money to for safe keeping, cash checks and in a blue moon take out a loan. Will this all be automated or will there be humans operating and controlling this system? If humans are involved who will ensure me that they are more honest then the bankers involved now?
Tom,
The point is that in our form of government, a republic, the public isn't a democracy, but the democratic work is done through representatives. There are no honest men. That was the lesson of Diogenes of Sinope in antiquity. So, there need to be checks and balances on power. That is the part that needs to be worked out yet. There is little dispute that the system is wholly corrupt and out of control among people who watch it closely. And the worst part is that it is at the heart of everyday survival for everyone, yet so few understand it. This isn't an accident or failure on the part of the masses. It is a deliberate effort on part of the power itself to keep the mechanism a secret so you and others will keep going to work and with our fruits, go merrily shopping. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 10/26/2012 : 09:01:47
quote:
Originally posted by Hillbilly
...The point is this: Dr. Sarno has helped a good number of people. That is doubtless. But his theory is unproven and will remain so. If it was a scientific fact, it would work like penicillin against bacteria. I know that people in pain desparately want to hear more and more stories of people getting up and walking after reading a book and their pain disappearing. You've read the books and, I believe, sold quite a few as well by visiting and sharing what you know with people here on the forum. I will certainly give you credit for attempting to help.
My only concern for your healing, frankly, is the rigidity with which you hold to your belief in this theory being able to cure everything non-organic while simultaneously suffering away. A theory is only worth a hay penny if you can make it work in your own life. I could not. You evidently cannot either, at least not for your hip. Now, do I think that lady could've helped me? No. My problem was 100% stress.
Thanks for your thoughtful post Hillbilly and you have to understand that was not me knee-jerk reacting to the Telegraph article that was the TMS gremlin. From my life's experience when I encounter a grand scheme that promises to make the world better, that I can't understand, my flight/fight instinct tells me to take flight and fight. Since you understand this stuff it would be greatly helpful if you could distill it into simple man in the street language that I could understand--basically, if and when this is implemented on a world scale where will I take my money to for safe keeping, cash checks and in a blue moon take out a loan. Will this all be automated or will there be humans operating and controlling this system? If humans are involved who will ensure me that they are more honest then the bankers involved now? I would suggest that you open a bank and run it honestly and I would be your first depositor. But I do want an umbrella for opening an account and warm cookies and coffee while I'm waiting to see a teller at a mahogany desk. I do agree that someday a crisis will come and that's when things will right themselves out of necessity and the market will once again take over as the scallywags run for the hills, the Grand Caymans and their Swiss bank accounts, where they've stashed our hard earned money--but we elected these people (not me though) so we share the blame as well.
Thanks for the tip on Ester Gokhale, I'll google her: "whatever works". My coach once told me "Tom, don't limp!", seemed like sound advice and I still try to implement it--if Dr. Sarno had told me that it would probably work. Yes, I've been around hers a good while but not because I expect anyone to "cure" me here. I just find the topic of psychosomatic pain interesting and fascinating and always have. If I had it to do over maybe I would be a Psychiatrist instead of a tennis bum/business man. I'm not normally hearing looking for help although a few morsels come my way incidentally. I don't feel hanging around here is evidence that one is needy or "not FULLY cured". The thought that one is ever "FULLY CURED" of TMS/psychosomatic dis-ease betrays, to me, a fundamental misunderstanding of the problem at hand. The symptoms are the symptoms and not the disease. One could say life is the disease, quit living and you'll be "fully cured". Actually living life and not it living you is the "cure" for the dis-ease. Or in terms I can understand, "Play the ball, don't allow it to play you." I feel the thought that one is "FULLY CURED" of TMS is hubris, how can we unequivocally state that life will not someday deal us a hand that is beyond our psyche's ability to deal with and not need TMS for the PROTECTION it offers to distract us short-term or long-term from the even greater pain of heart-ache.
Hillbilly, where we disagree is that the Good Doctor's theory is "unproven". To me it is proven by MY standard of evidence. His theory on psychosomatic medicine and his practical rx to implement it has worked for me on many occasions on an almost daily basis. I have been "FULLY CURED" of numerous TMS attacks, irritations and pimples. His RX is a form of "penicillin", Dr. Sarno in literally calls it "KNOWLEDGE PENICILLIN". It can be OTC, by going to a bookstore and self-injecting or if one is highly infected seeing a TMS practitioner for a prescription strngth dose. Maybe Walgreens should sell his books--nah bad idea--their profits would tumble.
In my own case, my hip, whatever it is has been one of my best coaches and has shown me who my true friends are--those who call me up to play even though "Tom can't move" rather then constantly badger me about getting a hip-replacement. A friend said the other day, if I could move I wouldn't be playing with them, I think I still would be, I've always been for the under-dog.
Hillbilly, I think the Good Doctor has worked for you. You have been "cured" of your stress/TMS. For some reason you feel stress is not TMS. I don't understand that. TMS is all about, tension, stress and anxiety. It's all over the covers of all the books. Why do you not think they are core TMS/psychosomatic symptoms? Surely through reading Dr. Sarno's books you were put on the right path that your conditions were NOT structural, hormonal, physiological in origin but instead psychological/emotional at their roots.
Cheers,
tt
Go Giants!
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| bryan3000 |
Posted - 10/26/2012 : 01:13:04
Hillbilly has been instrumental in my progress in overcoming anxiety. Using the archives and reading his posts is a must for anyone suffering.
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| Composer |
Posted - 10/25/2012 : 18:48:21
Hilbilly, From a short persual, I sense the subject of this article has a lot to do with my anxieties and considering this new perspective and hope is heartening. Thanks for posting it. I will read it with more care. Happy wishes to you. |
| andy64tms |
Posted - 10/25/2012 : 13:47:06
Hi Scottydog,
Did you read my “Getting to sleep trick” thread?
TT had a good link to a BBC UK article which discusses how sleep patterns have changed over time vs. the importance of 8 hrs sleep etc.
I don’t have too bad a time like you, but maybe we should take a less serious approach and reduce the pressure on ourselves.
Recently I have been into weight lifting and find that if I go downstairs and lift weights for a few minutes, get the blood pumping, this has the effect of altering my body mode and chatter that goes on in my head.
I use discipline however to always do three sets of ten lifts, no exceptions - well maybe one or two!
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
| eric watson |
Posted - 10/25/2012 : 13:37:19
Thanks hillbilly - (They will burn up in time....)-(When you no longer care how you feel...) you are an exceptional writer with advanced knowledge....dont leave hill billy we all need another pro like you here my friend ...thanks and god bless...and andy64tms i understand ,great insight.... |
| andy64tms |
Posted - 10/25/2012 : 12:14:14
I found out this summer that being somewhat of a perfectionist and that being one can be harmful, I would like to revise my last comment to:
“No exceptions, except for the one or two times when I feel like making an exception.”
And
“Self discipline, only when I feel like it”.
By revising these comments I’m lessening the seriousness of my perfectionism by using levity.
I hope you all understand this convolution?
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
| Scottydog |
Posted - 10/25/2012 : 12:01:56
Self-discipline is the no. 1 goal. You have to take it seriously and do it always. No exceptions. Despair over how you feel even for an instant has chemical byproducts that worsen the way you feel.
This is a heartening comment as I try to fix my adult-life-long insomnia. It will be something to keep in mind and help my resolve when the despair creeps in.
Thanks Hillbilly. |
| andy64tms |
Posted - 10/25/2012 : 10:45:58
I love your last comment Hillbilly,
Two things that jumped out at me were “No exceptions” and “self discipline”.
Thanks
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
| Hillbilly |
Posted - 10/25/2012 : 10:22:00
Eric,
The first and final hurdle to getting well is and was and shall forever be when you no longer care how you feel because you have determined that your ailments are benign and can no longer scare you or keep you from accomplishing anything. A disciplined mental approach to thinking about accomplishing your daily tasks despite bodily rumblings is essential while you recover. Self-discipline is the no. 1 goal. You have to take it seriously and do it always. No exceptions. Despair over how you feel even for an instant has chemical byproducts that worsen the way you feel. Imagine what happens if you despair all day, every day for months or years over symptoms that are created out of despair to begin with. Ironic, isn't it?. The worst thing facing you is emotional chemical releases, which are nothing at all, really. They will burn up in time if allowed to without cycling through the additional negative reactions to how you feel. |
| eric watson |
Posted - 10/25/2012 : 09:50:47
ok thanks hillbilly,.....what was your final hurdle to being healed?
i assume we,ll have equilivents pop up from time to time-but im talking about the first time you said uh-huh i got it now, i know i can say 100% and actually help others with my success story. thanks in advance- |
| Hillbilly |
Posted - 10/25/2012 : 08:19:00
TT,
I appreciate the tone of the last message. I put enough out there so that the curious can educate themselves if they are so inclined. I work on this in my spare time because it isn't a paying job, and the reality of being paid is still very much a part of my daily battle. How this all shakes out is anyone's guess. I think the likelihood of keeping the current system in place is nil in the long term, but until a crisis hits, usually nothing gets done. I'm working on the next system from outside the current system. I am not, nor will I ever be, on the payroll of the IMF. That much is certain.
You asked me earlier if this project is providing a distraction from my anxiety. That gave me a chuckle. I like your rhetorical style. You state facts in the form of a question. Like, "When did you stop beating your wife?" I don't deal with anxiety symptoms anymore. I do deal with stress and occasionally get so frustrated with people I deal with that I need to take a break and clear my head. I haven't had any neck or shoulder pain or heart palpitations or dizziness or diarrhea in years. I had all of them at the same time, and I believe it was because I was working in an area that forced me to overstep my moral bounds daily in order to keep my job. I felt trapped. Trapped is not a healthy state of mind. It reminds me of being in debt above my eyeballs.......
Finally, what do I think of your hip? I think you are the only person to make this decision. I know plenty of people who've had replacement surgeries that have helped them regain their lives. I know others that find the practice barbaric and scary. There certainly are failures, but I know none personally. I am not a doctor, and even if I were, I wouldn't venture into giving advice on your health. I would state facts and let you decide. That's my style. That's how you win hearts. You can bloviate bombast beyond Bahrain, but until a person hits on the idea within himself to make a change, the mulling continues.
I think that's why people hang on here for years. They want to gather information for fear of making a mistake and despairing over feeling like a fool. But if, after disciplining oneself for a period of say three months, either doing what Dr. Sarno or others have suggested and seeing little if any improvement, then change course and do something different. I will give you a case study that illustrates this perfectly. My mother-in-law is an old-schooler of the first order. The mere suggestion that there is a mental condition that causes physical symptoms is foreign to her. When she was stricken with disabling sciatica I rushed to her aid with stories and books for her perusal. They sat on her nightstand unopened for weeks beside her propped cane.
Then she came over to have dinner and was walking without the cane. I thought maybe she'd had the good sense to take my advice and just get up and go and forget about the pain. On the contrary. She had been to see her chiropractor, who watched her walk and noticed something in her stride. He gave her a book by a lady named Esther Gokhale, who, by coincidence, lives in Palo Alto, CA. She said all she had to do was learn again how to stand and sit and walk without babying her ailment and she got better in a couple of weeks. She gave me back my library and canceled her surgical consult with the stenosis engineer.
The point is this: Dr. Sarno has helped a good number of people. That is doubtless. But his theory is unproven and will remain so. If it was a scientific fact, it would work like penicillin against bacteria. I know that people in pain desparately want to hear more and more stories of people getting up and walking after reading a book and their pain disappearing. You've read the books and, I believe, sold quite a few as well by visiting and sharing what you know with people here on the forum. I will certainly give you credit for attempting to help.
My only concern for your healing, frankly, is the rigidity with which you hold to your belief in this theory being able to cure everything non-organic while simultaneously suffering away. A theory is only worth a hay penny if you can make it work in your own life. I could not. You evidently cannot either, at least not for your hip. Now, do I think that lady could've helped me? No. My problem was 100% stress. My mother-in-law's problem was something else, perhaps? Well, honestly I don't know.
Whatever you decide to do, I support you. I don't think you're a coward if you do nothing at all for the rest of your life. It's your hip and your pain. And, most importantly, I wish you peace and many years of tennis to come.
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