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| tennis tom |
Posted - 10/10/2012 : 09:58:58
Pps 107-108
"...month by month, very slowly and progressively, I was moving around more freely. I had now been on my recovery program for an unknown number of months (I stopped keeping track, which helped). My confidence in myself and in the TMS diagnosis was growing, as years of misleading information were slowly fading from memory.
...Gradually, and I do mean very, very gradually, I found myself not thinking about pain. I had moved to yet another plateau." |
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| RikR |
Posted - 02/28/2013 : 08:25:47
If Klonopin releives the pain it is not a bone problem. Klonopin potentiates GABA which calms the nervous system (TMS). .5 mg is a low dose of Klonopin but it is an extremely powerful drug even at low doses it can control seizures.
It is also well known for having a rebound effect and withdrawal both of which can cause pain.
All the benzodiazapines have this same effect. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 02/28/2013 : 08:06:39
Page 126
"Many are relieved by the idea that there is a herniated disc or a torn rotator cuff, or the appearance of some structural damage on the imaging, because we all possess a SELF-DESTRUCTIVE INSTINCT--a hidden guilt--which amny feel will be relieved through cutting part of their body away."
Steve Ozanich
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| chickenbone |
Posted - 01/02/2013 : 19:30:27
Can anyone give me any suggestions on the main issue I seem to be dealing with now in my healing process. In Steve Oīs book, he points out that one must have absolutely NO doubt about the pain being caused by TMS. Even the slightest doubt will throw a block onto your path. Recall that I had parathyroid surgery and that gave me osteoporosis, but I know that I had some osteoporosis before the parathyroid problem began. My parathyroid specialist expects my bone density to improve somewhat. However, osteoporosis, without fractures, is not painful and most of my pain seems like muscle pain. I also had a terrible episode of TMS (no one knew of TMS at the time). When I was 24 years old, I was laid up for 8 months with back pain higher in my back. The pain would get so bad at times that I would have to lie down.
I saw many doctors including an orthopedic, an osteopath and a neurologist. None could find anything wrong. They recommended a psychiatrist that I saw for about 1 year. The pain gradually subsided over a period of 5 months and I was able to resume a normal life. SO I have had these episodes before. In fact, when I was 3 years old and had previously sustained physical abuse by a baby sitter, I ended up in the hospital for 3 weeks because I was having terrible pain and waking up screaming almost every night. This time, they couldnīt find anything wrong either and told my parents that I needed to see a child psychologist, which my parents would have none of that. So, get it? I have a history of what I think is TMS. I had another episode 3 years ago, which I successfully beat after reading Dr. Sarnoīs work. But, unfortunately, I was not cured, only got a reprieve.
What I am getting at is that, because of my resolved parathyroid issues, I am having some doubts about it being TMS. But I donīt want to run to doctors because they could find spinal issues that COULD cause pain, but since most of these donīt cause pain in most people, I donīt want to be set back by a doctor telling me that I donīt have TMS. My husband is a doctor and he thinks the same way. He thinks my pain is TMS also. He has looked at my XRays. He thinks that, unless there is not something obvious like a fracture, that my pain is probably TMS. What happens is that I am doing well for a few days or weeks, doing my meditation and being the observer of my thoughts, and then WHAM! I start to FEAR the pain. I canīt seem to stop it and this alone makes me very anxious because I know if I allow myself to think like this, there will be pain later. I wake up in the morning, after not having pain all night and start to anticipate the pain I will experience during the day. Then, I encounter several of my pain triggers during the day, and feeling fearful, I donīt deal well with those at the time. By early evening, I am in a lot of pain that is spreading up my upper back and down my legs. Then I am upset and thinking maybe I have fractures that I donīt know about. The TMS has won this round. What is interesting is, if the pain gets too bad or really gets on my nerves, NSAIDS will not help at all. But I keep Klonopin around for these times. I take .5mg (low dose) and within 15 minutes I am running around doing my normal routine like nothing happened.
Do you folks agree that most of my pain is TMS and how can I rid myself of the fear of the pain that does me in over and over. |
| eric watson |
Posted - 12/21/2012 : 17:58:50
quote:
Originally posted by SteveO
Thanks for the kind words Eric, I hope you got an early present this year? I'm happy to hear that my posts and book helped you to heal. It's because you didn't fight the message, as Dr. Sarno said, "one must be open."
Tom, thank you for all your help with this TMS message this year, You've been priceless with your help. I hope this new year finds you well with a new spring in your step (s).
Merry Christmas to one and all,
SteveO
Got the present steveo and its awesome-thanks tons
i gotta get the perfect dust cover now-like i said
its going in my trophy cabinet with all my sentimentals
im like a KID AT THE CANDY STORE.. |
| SteveO |
Posted - 12/21/2012 : 12:25:50
Thanks for the kind words Eric, I hope you got an early present this year? I'm happy to hear that my posts and book helped you to heal. It's because you didn't fight the message, as Dr. Sarno said, "one must be open."
Tom, thank you for all your help with this TMS message this year, You've been priceless with your help. I hope this new year finds you well with a new spring in your step (s).
Merry Christmas to one and all,
SteveO |
| eric watson |
Posted - 12/21/2012 : 12:18:01
quote:
Originally posted by tennis tom
Thanks for the kind words SteveO, they are greatly appreciated!
Merry Christmas,
tt 
Tennis Tom i want to thank you to for all youve done here
thanks for your wisdom and direction
thanks for this thread that will last forever
and thanks for being a friend-when we first enter into this world at tms help some of us are really wanting to be acceoted -i know
i was one of them and you accepted me tom and guided me-
from your storys to your guidence it has all been of great wisdom leading us to the brook of freedom-were traped and a kind jolly word of encouragement and were the next ralph waldo emerson-
i know you know the perceptions we perceive as you read our post
and thanks for directing us to the true champion that lives in us all-
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 12/21/2012 : 11:35:33
Thanks for the kind words SteveO, they are greatly appreciated!
Merry Christmas,
tt |
| eric watson |
Posted - 12/20/2012 : 20:35:32
quote:
Originally posted by SteveO
Catmac, You'll do ok. Dr. Sarno explained nicely that we don't need to be afraid of our pain, that we're ok physically. He also tried to explain the mechanism of TMS and how the symptom had a purpose. I wanted to know where this anger was coming from. The deepest anger comes from separation, most of which we have no control over, thus our fear. So I spent years communicating with Dr. McKenzie on the mechanism of separation rage. The more important ones, (closer the relationship is) the deeper the pain and so the deeper the rage of loss.
sreveo your like the dr.zafaridies of tms help and ppd/tms wiki-i hope you stay young thru all this tms stuff-uh like sarno so we cann keep ya around another 40 or 55 yrs -
steveo i want to say personally from everyone at tms help -with tennis toms approval and ok with ace1 but merry christmas big guy-you go steveo-your the roca rolla -iatola
stay with the studies-your so far ahead of your time now-
We can see it again in the Newtown shooting, not only in the deep suffering of those poor parents, but the killer himself went straight for the ones he saw as stealing his mother's attention from him. I talked immediately with Dr. McKenzie about this, and today they announced it on the news. He saw the first graders as separating him from his mother, and there's few losses in our lives as painful as the loss of mother. She is God to a child.
ShawnSmith, you're not alone, there are millions of us like you. And don't forget that people are alone even in crowds, famous people who many would feel are never alone. One of the coolest things about writing the book is the famous people I admired and idolized as a kid who read it and then contacted me. Plus, all of unbelievably beautiful stories that people wrote to me about their lives. Most people feel alone at times, but many feel alone all the time, and it has to do with that same separation fear, or isolation. When we fall into anxiety it reminds us of our earlier periods of fear and isolation in the Two Trauma state.
Alix, thanks for coming back and showing people that they can heal. I'm happy that I wrote something that helped you heal here. You and Balto should go in and split the cost of one of my books. But then again, you're there. Congratulations. I hope you keep telling your story forever.
As I look back over this past year it was quite a year. I released my book 12 months ago now, right before Christmas last year. I was excited to bring this good news of healing to people all over the world. I spent 10 years researching and writing and speaking to psychiatrists and doctors, philosophers and gurus of all sorts of disciplines. I had helped countless people to heal before and was excited to be able to do it on a greater scale through a published work. But the book opened with a big thud, I could hear crickets chirping the first month after releasing it. People can't buy what they don't know exists, good business rule.
But then people began to pick it up and read it. Very slowly I began to get feedback, and sales increased every month breaking the previous months sales for 12 months. It was read by doctors and filmmakers, a senator, college football and basketball coaches, musicians, artists, teachers of all grades, and everyone in between. The life stories I've heard have been humbling and moving. I've been blessed beyond my imagination, not only by the pain that I had, and finding Dr. Sarno, but by being able to help people who are hurting. Nothing is as powerful as helping someone live a better life, and each time I hear it, I'm just as happy as the first time.
This first year was the planting of the seeds of TMS, this next year will be watering and weeding. Each time someone from this group and the TMS Wiki tells someone else about TMS it helps everyone. Even the darkest night is lit by a single candle.
Dr. Sarno is a better human being than he is a doctor, and he's America's best doctor. He also paid a heavy personal price for taking a stance for the truth about pain. Within his own circle of colleagues he was shunned and mocked. They pushed him out of teaching at NYU for his heresy. If they could have taken his medical practice from him they would have. After being tagged as a doctor who wouldn't play the "medical game," he began to get dis-invited to events, and eventually he chose to quit eating in the cafeteria at NYU because of all the cold shoulders. He paid a heavy price for telling truth, and for that I admire him even more. As Ted Siedel wrote in Forbes, he is a pioneer.
This site was a nice platform to see what people were saying about TMS. Tennis Tom has helped me spread my message in ways I can't explain, and he's too modest to tell people about it, so I will. Behind his intellect and quick humor is a man who really cares about helping people.
So as this year ends I hope people sit back and reflect on how much Dr. Sarno has helped them. Also go look at those relationships, past and present, and follow the trail right back to your pain. Then take the good doctor's work and heal. Don't fight his message, it works. You may be seeing it too narrowly if you aren't healing as you want. But you will heal, in your own time, not according to anyone else. Your pain is personal to you. Keep on learning and growing. And as Dr. Zafirides says, never underestimate how powerful you are. I never ever ever thought I would heal, and yet I did. You have to see it, and then it will manifest.
Steve
steveo your like the dr zafaridis of tms help....oh but we have him
no your steve ozanich extroanaire
we appreciate your hard work-never stop your studys
hope to see ya live another 50 to 60 yrs
and beyond if you like.
you teach us direction steve and how to stay the course
im for real-your like a mentor to me and us all-its like that commercial
when steveo talks we listen
you have truly healed my friend-(im healed because of your post and your book)you stick all the peices together like glue
not a part time healing either ,this is full time power healing
oh ok i gotta calm doun that was preachin
anyways i wanted to also say thanks for all the help you give to the tms site -and(Have a Happy Merry Christmas Steveo-)you deserve it,)
the bible says we reap what we sow-well your going to reaping a lot of healing-and i speak health in all your being
now (after the holidays theres more waiting) for ya my friend-
and (thanks to dave the moderater) for being the only one guy that could have put this all together .
and merry christmas to all the tms help members that have helped or been helped in any form or fashion-when we come together-
Majick Happens
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| SteveO |
Posted - 12/20/2012 : 17:40:34
I was just jabben ya Alix, I needed to tease Balto too so I hit 2 TMSers with one stone.
I know exactly what you mean about too much information. We're heading that way now. Dr. Sarno was the only one when I started healing and I think that helped me heal better.
Steve |
| alix |
Posted - 12/19/2012 : 22:22:36
Steve,
I am not that cheap! Now, I am very interested in reading your book.
When I rediscovered Sarno, I did not want to fall into my initial fatal pitfall of going from books, to worksheets, to tapes etc... and getting confused and overloaded so I tried to keep it simple then.
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| SteveO |
Posted - 12/19/2012 : 22:01:10
Catmac, You'll do ok. Dr. Sarno explained nicely that we don't need to be afraid of our pain, that we're ok physically. He also tried to explain the mechanism of TMS and how the symptom had a purpose. I wanted to know where this anger was coming from. The deepest anger comes from separation, most of which we have no control over, thus our fear. So I spent years communicating with Dr. McKenzie on the mechanism of separation rage. The more important ones, (closer the relationship is) the deeper the pain and so the deeper the rage of loss.
We can see it again in the Newtown shooting, not only in the deep suffering of those poor parents, but the killer himself went straight for the ones he saw as stealing his mother's attention from him. I talked immediately with Dr. McKenzie about this, and today they announced it on the news. He saw the first graders as separating him from his mother, and there's few losses in our lives as painful as the loss of mother. She is God to a child.
ShawnSmith, you're not alone, there are millions of us like you. And don't forget that people are alone even in crowds, famous people who many would feel are never alone. One of the coolest things about writing the book is the famous people I admired and idolized as a kid who read it and then contacted me. Plus, all of unbelievably beautiful stories that people wrote to me about their lives. Most people feel alone at times, but many feel alone all the time, and it has to do with that same separation fear, or isolation. When we fall into anxiety it reminds us of our earlier periods of fear and isolation in the Two Trauma state.
Alix, thanks for coming back and showing people that they can heal. I'm happy that I wrote something that helped you heal here. You and Balto should go in and split the cost of one of my books. But then again, you're there. Congratulations. I hope you keep telling your story forever.
As I look back over this past year it was quite a year. I released my book 12 months ago now, right before Christmas last year. I was excited to bring this good news of healing to people all over the world. I spent 10 years researching and writing and speaking to psychiatrists and doctors, philosophers and gurus of all sorts of disciplines. I had helped countless people to heal before and was excited to be able to do it on a greater scale through a published work. But the book opened with a big thud, I could hear crickets chirping the first month after releasing it. People can't buy what they don't know exists, good business rule.
But then people began to pick it up and read it. Very slowly I began to get feedback, and sales increased every month breaking the previous months sales for 12 months. It was read by doctors and filmmakers, a senator, college football and basketball coaches, musicians, artists, teachers of all grades, and everyone in between. The life stories I've heard have been humbling and moving. I've been blessed beyond my imagination, not only by the pain that I had, and finding Dr. Sarno, but by being able to help people who are hurting. Nothing is as powerful as helping someone live a better life, and each time I hear it, I'm just as happy as the first time.
This first year was the planting of the seeds of TMS, this next year will be watering and weeding. Each time someone from this group and the TMS Wiki tells someone else about TMS it helps everyone. Even the darkest night is lit by a single candle.
Dr. Sarno is a better human being than he is a doctor, and he's America's best doctor. He also paid a heavy personal price for taking a stance for the truth about pain. Within his own circle of colleagues he was shunned and mocked. They pushed him out of teaching at NYU for his heresy. If they could have taken his medical practice from him they would have. After being tagged as a doctor who wouldn't play the "medical game," he began to get dis-invited to events, and eventually he chose to quit eating in the cafeteria at NYU because of all the cold shoulders. He paid a heavy price for telling truth, and for that I admire him even more. As Ted Siedel wrote in Forbes, he is a pioneer.
This site was a nice platform to see what people were saying about TMS. Tennis Tom has helped me spread my message in ways I can't explain, and he's too modest to tell people about it, so I will. Behind his intellect and quick humor is a man who really cares about helping people.
So as this year ends I hope people sit back and reflect on how much Dr. Sarno has helped them. Also go look at those relationships, past and present, and follow the trail right back to your pain. Then take the good doctor's work and heal. Don't fight his message, it works. You may be seeing it too narrowly if you aren't healing as you want. But you will heal, in your own time, not according to anyone else. Your pain is personal to you. Keep on learning and growing. And as Dr. Zafirides says, never underestimate how powerful you are. I never ever ever thought I would heal, and yet I did. You have to see it, and then it will manifest.
Steve |
| alix |
Posted - 12/19/2012 : 18:10:53
I did not read your book Steve but there is one thing you posted that helped me a lot:
"4) Whenever you do anything, force your mind's eye on another body area that feels good, hold all your attention particles on the feel-good area. Never allow your brain to fall back into its comfort zone of pain. Deny it safe haven."
That helped me in the recovery phase when I had a few hours of pain relief. At first, when I experienced pain relief, I was like "Wow! I can't believe it is happening so what do I do now?"
By ignoring the bothersome area of my body and instead focusing my attention on something else, it allowed me to extend those periods more and more.
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| shawnsmith |
Posted - 12/19/2012 : 16:58:00
quote:
Originally posted by SteveO
But the Type T tends to be socially isolated and therefore has no outlet for expression.
That's me exactly. You hit the nail right on the head and more needs to be written on this topic. I have been socially isolated all my life, even as a child, and honestly feel I have never properly fit in anywhere or have the freedom to speak my mind without being misunderstood. A huge part of me, however, actually enjoys this social isolation, so I am paradoxical. I loathe responsibility or the obligation of maintaining close friendships. |
| catmac |
Posted - 12/18/2012 : 18:01:44
[quote]Originally posted by SteveO
TMSers have so much trouble letting go of resentment or fear. If they let go, what will they have to hold onto? This is where purpose in life solves all problems. If you shift your fears and anger and attention to something good and meaningful, you can't hold your attention on your body any more. It's also why so many TMSers are not in the workforce or in careers that fulfill them deeply.
I cited Carolyn Myss in my Trouble Healing chapter. One of the questions she asks her trouble healing clients is "do you see yourself alone if you would be healed?" The greatest fear is isolation, by far. We can handle almost anything when in the deepest despair if people are connected to us. You can see the strength people have at funerals while surrounded. But when they get alone it all falls apart.
So the first page of my book I wrote, "everyone needs to be heard in life--to be joined--their stories told." This keeps people connected and away from isolation. It relaxes them and soothes their fears, and anger.
When we're being heard the pain tends to resolve quickly which is why "the talking cure" is still the most powerful and direct way out of pain. But the Type T tends to be socially isolated and therefore has no outlet for expression. So the personality develops which sets up the future pain. When writing it's not possible to know which parts of a book will connect with people; which parts they will fully understand or interpret correctly. But that part I put in about the Type T being the one at a party with one eye on the door has gotten me quite a few emails. That one struck a chorus with many people who have contacted me. They are isolated even amongst people.
This comes from not being heard, as they see it in their eyes. And why pain is the virtual language of the unconscious. The pain is the unconscious speaking through the body because the person has never been able to fully express him or herself. So the body speaks were the person doesn't know how to, won't, or can't.
You can cut to the chase if you let go of all fear. Then isolation means little to nothing. But who has that much courage?
There Balto, one less page you have to purchase! : )
Steve
Fantastic post Steve...........all makes perfect sense. I cant let go of the fear of losing somebody close to me who is ill. I know nobody cares/loves me in the same way that they do, so I worry that I will feel totally alone when they are gone. I'm positive that is why I am still in some pain. (although getting there). I'm struggling to see what my 'life purpose' will be when they are gone
It would be good if I could just let go of the fear and believe that no matter what happens then I will be fine!! Mostly I can do that if I stay in 'the now' and not think about the future, but sometimes it's difficult.
And yes the part of your post that says 'being at a party with one eye on the door' is def me too!!!
Oh and merry christmas to all on the forum and awrabest for new year.
catmac
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| SteveO |
Posted - 12/17/2012 : 19:16:38
Hey Jegol, how ya been? You know what I mean by separation anxiety and symptoms right? We've talked about this before.
When you asked me if I had experienced a sternum popping from dips I had to stop and think if there was something I hadn't been through, or experienced? I know childbirth is one, but it's hard to think of another.
I remember going so heavy on dips my palms bruised and I couldn't bench for 6 weeks. The lifting was TMSing for me.
How's the gouty symptoms?
Steve
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| jegol71 |
Posted - 12/17/2012 : 15:39:28
Hey Steve,
Have you ever dealt with the dreaded sternum pain/popping from heavy dips? |
| SteveO |
Posted - 12/17/2012 : 15:36:07
Exactly Bugbear, what would happen if you were to let go? Imagine the feeling as a baby being separated suddenly from momma. It panics. The only thing it has to hold onto is its body--and self-awareness is born. So when we panic we turn to our bodies as a conditioned response.
Then you take it to the next level. What if we let go emotionally? We panic, because we are again separated, so we once again turn to our bodies.
TMSers have so much trouble letting go of resentment or fear. If they let go, what will they have to hold onto? This is where purpose in life solves all problems. If you shift your fears and anger and attention to something good and meaningful, you can't hold your attention on your body any more. It's also why so many TMSers are not in the workforce or in careers that fulfill them deeply.
I cited Carolyn Myss in my Trouble Healing chapter. One of the questions she asks her trouble healing clients is "do you see yourself alone if you would be healed?" The greatest fear is isolation, by far. We can handle almost anything when in the deepest despair if people are connected to us. You can see the strength people have at funerals while surrounded. But when they get alone it all falls apart.
So the first page of my book I wrote, "everyone needs to be heard in life--to be joined--their stories told." This keeps people connected and away from isolation. It relaxes them and soothes their fears, and anger.
When we're being heard the pain tends to resolve quickly which is why "the talking cure" is still the most powerful and direct way out of pain. But the Type T tends to be socially isolated and therefore has no outlet for expression. So the personality develops which sets up the future pain. When writing it's not possible to know which parts of a book will connect with people; which parts they will fully understand or interpret correctly. But that part I put in about the Type T being the one at a party with one eye on the door has gotten me quite a few emails. That one struck a chorus with many people who have contacted me. They are isolated even amongst people.
This comes from not being heard, as they see it in their eyes. And why pain is the virtual language of the unconscious. The pain is the unconscious speaking through the body because the person has never been able to fully express him or herself. So the body speaks were the person doesn't know how to, won't, or can't.
You can cut to the chase if you let go of all fear. Then isolation means little to nothing. But who has that much courage?
There Balto, one less page you have to purchase! : )
Steve
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| Bugbear |
Posted - 12/15/2012 : 09:14:14
Page 106: "Chronic symptom sufferers normally have much better capabilities to quickly recall past traumas or memories. In speaking with people who have few symptoms, it's quite clear they simply don't remember little things. This is why it appears that Type T individuals have more detailed memories since they don't let go as easily."
Yup, this describes me to a T (T personality). I don't ever let go. Perhaps it is conditioning and I just don't know how to let go. Or perhaps it is fear of the unknown. What will actually happen if I were to let go? Perhaps it is a bit of both. One of the first questions of the Structured Educational Program on the TMS wiki is asking what a life without TMS would mean to me. I never managed to do this program because I couldn't get past that first question. I don't know what it would mean. Not really. I could make something up but I want to be honest. I have been thinking about this question off and on for months and I cannot answer it.
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| SteveO |
Posted - 12/15/2012 : 06:31:59
Bugbear, remember, any conscious frustration/anger you feel is only the tip of the TMS-iceberg and not part of your TMS. If you feel it, then it's not producing symptoms. It's the larger portion beneath the conscious waters that is generating your symptoms, that part you do not feel.
Expression is the most powerful healing tool, behind true forgiveness. Forgiveness includes the loss of fear, and as Jampolsky's book title suggests, "Love Is Letting Go of Fear."
He is a psychiatrist who had terrible back pain, and once he discovered that it was an emotional process he healed in the late 1970s. I communicated with him for a short time, he's around Dr. Sarno's age and living in Hawaii, lecturing away on dissolving fear.
Fear is the driver, anger is the response.
Steve |
| Bugbear |
Posted - 12/15/2012 : 02:58:51
quote:
Originally posted by shawnsmith
I feel that I have been ignored by not only my family (they all think I am weird and do not understand anything about me), but almost all the people around me who I am incapable of connecting with on any serious level. This basic need has, for me, been stifled and yes, it has generated not only unconscious rage, but a huge dose of conscious rage also.
This parallels my own experience. I feel very disconnected from others. This is the result of lack of trust and fear of rejection. Going to a therapist where someone is watching the clock as you speak is even more infuriating. I tend to share bits and pieces with various people but no one person sees the whole picture. Perhaps this is what is holding me back from recovering further. |
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