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| sdiddy |
Posted - 07/16/2012 : 23:27:31
I haven't had an episode of tms in years, and was totally cured of many years of tms back pain. Now i am wondering if this new pain in my shoulder is just that. I dont recall a single injury on the shoulder though I was playing basketball about 3 days a week and i play very aggressively, jumping, blocking, etc, and a couple times recall a sharp pain in the shoulder. Had MRI and it ffound tendinitis and small tears. Pain seems to be moving and getting worse even though I stopped all sports and just rest it and ice and heat it everyday. Also went to physical therapy a few times which seemed to help nominally. I am scared to use it for fear of a severe tear, which people say is bad. But how do I know what it is? I do have stress in my life right now. Lost money on Facebook IPO, not doing great at work, and very stressed about pressure to have kids now that I am getting older. Please help thank you. |
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| sdiddy |
Posted - 06/03/2013 : 11:51:33
UPDATE from OP: Well I cant believe how time flies. It has now been about 7 weeks since I committed to TMS therapy for my shoulder. I dont touch it anymore, and try my best not to live in fear and focus on it. I have seen quite a bit of general pain relief during the day, as in it doesnt throb and hurt during the waking hours of the day like it used to.
However, it still does hurt during some specific movement, and hurts MUCH more at nighttime and when I first wake up. Any ideas as to why?
I casually shot some baskets recently, something i havent done in along time, without any pain, which was promising. But when I tried to do a golf swing it hurt during the movement.
I honestly cant believe its been more than a year now with this affliction. I just want it done....I want to play sports again....actually, i NEED to play sports again. At what point do I have the courage to say, now "I KNOW for sure this is TMS and not a tear" and go ahead and play again? I am still scared.... |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 05/04/2013 : 18:41:50
Don't touch it ! Treat it as normal as you can. |
| sdiddy |
Posted - 05/04/2013 : 15:42:39
UPDATE: its been about 3 weeks since i started TMS "therapy". The first 2 weeks were pretty brutal...a LOT more pain than normal, especially new and strange pains like soreness down my arm, shooting and throbbing pains. Before it was just the very specific sharp pain with specific movements. After about the first two weeks though, a lot of the shooting and throbbing has been mitigated, but I am still having sharp pains in the deep rotator cuff region (side of the shoulder). If i touch and push in there and also the back of the shoulder, its incredibly tender and painful, yet also provides relief if I massage it. Should I stop touching there? My fear is that the deep rotator pain is a tear, an actual tear that originally happened when i played basketball, healed, and then re-tore when i started lifting weights and playing basketball again. And the surrounding pain like soreness, shooting, etc is the TMS. My fear is the underlying issue is not TMS, BUT that being said I am committed to TMS and seeing this through. Any advice is appreciated from you guys, since I have no one else to help me through it. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 04/28/2013 : 18:49:15
If it's TMS, it will last as long as the emotional stressors continue, that are invoking the TMS symptom, for a protective psychosomatic defense mechanism. I've had arm/shoulder symptoms, once years ago before knowing of TMS, in the right arm and more recently in the left arm. I woke up this morning and it occurred to me, that my arm didn't hurt. It just slowly fades away, as either the TMS tension lessens--or another symptom substitutes, to take its place as a distraction.
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox
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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod =================================================
TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
| sdiddy |
Posted - 04/18/2013 : 18:57:29
curious...when i did the cortisone shot the pain went away for 2 months. if this is tms, why did that happen? just curious about the science here.
UPDATE: I am wondering because its been 2 weeks since i started focusing on tms therapy but the pain has actually gotten worse, throbbing and shooting down my arm now in addition to the movement-specific pains. it used to be that it only hurt when i moved it a certain way. now it hurts all the time. the only thing im doing different is no stretching anymore and focusing on tms, but with my back i had relief from pain almost immediately when i realized i had tms years ago. Is this normal for the pain to worsen like this? Any advice? Thank you. |
| sdiddy |
Posted - 04/14/2013 : 12:38:17
yes i am doing mental work like journaling and relaxation and stress relief. thanks for the advice i will try my best here. you guys are really helpful. |
| pspa123 |
Posted - 04/14/2013 : 08:03:40
Sure wish i had all the money i spent on acupuncture back. Its allure, 5000 years of wisdom and all that, is powerful. But there are hundreds of modalities with seductive sales pitches out there ready to take your money and time. It takes a certain degree of confidence to call BS on them. And people in pain generally lack that confidence. |
| art |
Posted - 04/13/2013 : 21:53:49
quote:
Originally posted by Ace1
Well sdiddy it is that impatience that is the main cause of your tms with everything else compounded on top of that. I don't think one month will be enough for you to make much progress. The ones that get better fast usually are not the impatient, always in a rush type of person. Good luck to you.
I second this excellent comment. Passive, preferably joyful acceptance of all contingencies is the best approach. If you can't manage joyful, and I appreciate that's a tall order for a newcomer, you must at least stop worrying... |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 04/13/2013 : 20:54:11
Forget the acupuncture, big waste of money. I did too many to count, it was only good for brief time-outs for some relaxation. Legitimate studies have disproven it, it's a placebo, voo-doo and your literally the voo-doo doll. If you need some relaxation get massages, at least you get some bang for your buck. Stretch if you feel like it but not with the mindset that it will cure TMS issues.
G'luck!
tt
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
==================================================
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox
======================================================
"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod =================================================
TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
| Mom2two |
Posted - 04/13/2013 : 17:10:26
Try not to put any time limits on it. That will negate any mental work you are doing. Actually are you doing any mental work like journaling, affirmations, relaxation? Also cancel those appointments. If they are not having any positive effect just stop them. It will just keep you focused on the pain and "checking to see" if it is having any effect. |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 04/13/2013 : 15:41:19
Well sdiddy it is that impatience that is the main cause of your tms with everything else compounded on top of that. I don't think one month will be enough for you to make much progress. The ones that get better fast usually are not the impatient, always in a rush type of person. Good luck to you. |
| sdiddy |
Posted - 04/13/2013 : 14:44:15
Thank you all for your positivity and advice. I am definitely coming to terms with my fears and other stresses (job, health, my parents health, having kids sometime in the near future, etc). I have accepted that I will give it a 100% commitment for one month that this is TMS, to gauge if I get results. I have cancelled my doctor appointment and will continue to think positive, release fear.
Should I also cancel the accupuncture appointments? Should I stop doing the stretches I learned at physical therapy and also stop using a heating pad?
I will update you guys on the progress. The hard part is I am a very impatient person in general...i move fast in all aspects of life and cant even watch TV or take a bath without multitasking multiple things at the same time! So its really hard not having results after a few days of positive thinking. My question to you....how long should I expect it would take to see some positive results, now that I have committed to the notion that it IS TMS. thanks! |
| eric watson |
Posted - 04/12/2013 : 06:10:46
sdiddy)- how do i know if its inflammation, tendonitis, a tear, bursitis, or just TMS?
Eric)- I had all of the above and till I applied tms healing therapy
I was stuck, after the tms therapy, 20 yrs of pain almost instantly left. you have to accept the diagnosis 100% with your mind first though. if your going to be thinking about mris, youll never recover 100%- you did it with your back - I love your success story, now apply the same to your shoulder, just don't work against pain -let it subside by dealing with anxiety anger and stress that happened around the time this pain came on also its our day to day thoughts of fear.
as you know you don't have to know the exact repression
sdiddy)- How do i test it?
Eric)- if it hurts and its been past the allotted time it takes to heal, which should be no longer than 6-8 weeks then if its still hurtings- its tms
sdiddy)- I am really afraid to "play through the pain" because i am scared it is a tear that would get worse. but do i need to try this to know for sure??
Eric)- don't work through the pain to prove anything ok, you need work on the emotional issues to get the pain to subside and in the divided mind sarno does say after you do the emotional issue work and the pain is gone, then proceed
someone quoted the healing back pain subsideing and said this is the way
and it is there too- I like either suggestion, although some really need to go by the no pain rule before going back out there because we have it in our minds im going to work this pain out physically and really you have to work out the emotional issues
sdiddy)- i keep telling myself in the last week that it is TMS and i also went for acupuncture once. but no relief yet. I know the mantras for TMS and everything, but the biggest thing is I am always "hesitant" to use it in motions that cause significant pain, and always overly cautious, and on top of that, just scared about being healthy as i grow older. I am afraid of not being able to play sports again and its really frightening to me. Any specific advice? Should I be massaging it? icing? heating? Thank you.
Eric)- you just asked two questions
and told all or the repression that are probably making you hurt
reverse everyt thought of doubt and fear you can so you can heal better
aces keys and sarnos reminders will help you here- you have to do the suggestions on purpose as you know till your mind and body are conditioned or forms a habit of thinking in a better way.
no massaging. just journaling, awareness, accptance, calming and so forth- although as I said you mentioned all your stressors in your last paragraph- work on accepting those and reframing them in a better light ok- then you should be well on your way to feelin better in about 3 weeks- if you believe the tms healing therapy 100%
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| art |
Posted - 04/12/2013 : 06:10:42
SD,
YOur first post on this was 8 months ago. Small tears would have healed. My first reaction was as always, conservative. I'm no doctor and I'm leery of giving advice that can cause real damage.
Pretty clear now that you've got TMS. Two things, as I said, it should have healed by now. Second, your emotional response is classic. Worry, fear, obsession all keep these things alive.
There is a way out. To borrow a line from one of my favorite movies "Cool Hand Luke," you have to get your mind right.
What does that mean? It means you have to stop worrying. 99.9 percent that once you do, the pain will go away. Until that time, you'll likely be stuck.
8 months is plenty of time for small tears to heal. In a way, you've conducted a real life experiment and the results are in
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| sdiddy |
Posted - 04/11/2013 : 21:24:49
Hello all thanks for the input. Here is the development:
it sounds like some of you have something similar to me. with me, the pain is only there with certain motions, like if i lift my elbow to parallel with the ground and THEN rotate my hand upwards....thats when it hurts the most and feels like its being "impinged". Is this similar to what any of you had? This might give me hope that its TMS and not a true issue. I just assumed that since the pain wasnt constant like when i had TMS in my back, then this MUST be something real like "impingement" or bursitis or whatever. how does one really know for sure?? In the MRI the doc said he sees something that looks like a slight tear but isnt positive because i did an open MRI (claustrophobic) which isnt as detailed. after my cortisone shot in november, i had no pain for 2 months, but also didnt play any sports or do ANYthing for that time. but when i started exercising again, it all came back again. how do i know if its inflammation, tendonitis, a tear, bursitis, or just TMS? How do i test it? I am really afraid to "play through the pain" because i am scared it is a tear that would get worse. but do i need to try this to know for sure?? i keep telling myself in the last week that it is TMS and i also went for acupuncture once. but no relief yet. I know the mantras for TMS and everything, but the biggest thing is I am always "hesitant" to use it in motions that cause significant pain, and always overly cautious, and on top of that, just scared about being healthy as i grow older. I am afraid of not being able to play sports again and its really frightening to me. Any specific advice? Should I be massaging it? icing? heating? Thank you. |
| Birdie78 |
Posted - 03/18/2013 : 02:38:00
sdiddy, I am in a similar situation: my ellbow started hurting very much and MRI showed a tear in my tendon and inflammation. This happened during a very stressful periode in my life last year.
Well, a tear just should have healed. But I am still in severe pain my my ellbow is complete stiff since 9 months, I am not able to do something like brushing my teeth oder eating with the right arm as I am not able to bend it over the 90 degree border in the ellbow joint. I although developped severe shoulder pain during the last months, I am barely able to put on a T-shirt, to lift my arm over my head and to do some other movements. When I rest my arm everything is ok, it only hurts when I do certain moves.
The MD diagnosed "impingement syndrome" and biceps tendinitis what I think is not true because the only "mistake" I made was to rest my arm way to long and now everything is shortended and tensed. I have lots of nasty little trigger points round my shoulder which are producing my pain. Treating them only brings a short term relief, they're coming back after several days or even hours. None of this suprises me because trigger points suffer from a lack of oxygen...and when my unconscious restricts the limit of oxygen that flows into my right arm ...how should these trigger points disapear? I really did not injure my shoulder but I remember having had thoughts like "I hope I will never get shoulder pain because a frozen shoulder is one of the worst conditions a person could have". I have "overdone" my ellbow physically a little bit last year in an extreme stressful situation. But even if there was some inflammation it should be fine again now, but it hurts like hell when I try to bend it.
Evertyme I notice some negative thought about my arm pain now I stop it immediately, take a deep breath, tell myself that I will use my arm as normal and with ease and then I visualize myself for a few seconds feeling great and moving my arm painfree. Hope that will help!
Did you read the divided mind? Lot of interesting stuff in there about some common shoulder diagnoses like impingement, tendinitis, rotator cuff tears and so on given my non-TMS-doctors and why in the most cases they're wrong.
Wish you all the best!
Kind regards from Germany sends Birdie |
| eric watson |
Posted - 03/17/2013 : 17:39:42
yes as art said after the rice, a couple weeks to heal-and yes as ace said too , see my rotater cuff only hurt when i worked out with benching and overhead presses or throwing the football and such- i just got done benching over 400lbs and no problem now- get back to it, but dont think that its going to tear or rip or hurt
and if it does hurt- tell it to stop- my shoulder hurt for over 20 yrs till i found out it was my focus on the pain that kept it there
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| Ace1 |
Posted - 03/17/2013 : 15:51:09
Tms can present in any pattern |
| sdiddy |
Posted - 03/17/2013 : 15:08:21
hello all so a follow up on my status. i decided to get a cortison shot in november and then decided to jsut let the shoulder rest for a few months. no PT, no basketball, no golf. just running on a treadmill. the pain went away nearly 99%. but last month i started working out again and also shooting basketball and the pain has come back again. i really dont know what it is. i honestly dont feel like this is TMS. the reason i dont think so is it doesnt hurt when im sitting still, laying down, etc. it only hurts in very specific range of motions. in my past experience, TMS was more of a constant, random, throbbing pain. This only hurts when i move my arm in certain ways or lean on my elbow or something. any ideas? |
| art |
Posted - 07/24/2012 : 06:47:29
"I think that with this better and positive attitude, I will beat it. But yes I am human and TMS prone and the thought of never playing sports at a high level again is enough to make me want to jump off a building"
It's what we do...catastrophize. Very damaging. Very typical. |
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