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| Badd825 |
Posted - 06/22/2012 : 18:24:48
I've had constant rectal pain since having clots removed from hemorrhoids. I still have the hemorrhoids but I'm sure my pain is coming more from spasms than from the hemorrhoids. I believe these spasms are tms since I've had a history of tms illnesses and have healed reading sarno's book and thinking psychologically. I've been prescribed Valium for spasms and I feel better when I sit on a heating pad. My questions is why can't things be done to alleviate the pain and still be accepting of the TMS diagnosis. I'm sure my surgery triggered the spasms back in December but I'm also sure that TMS has taken this opportunity to keep me focused on pain. Im just not clear on how taking measures to ease discomfort can prevent me from healing from TMS. I'm seeing a therapist to deal with my emotional issues and I accept this pain as tms in the meantime I feel that I should be able to do things to make myself more comfortable. I read to throw everything away and focus on TMS only. But can't one heal from TMS and still do some stuff to not suffer so much along the way. I think my hemorrhoids will heal once spasms stop. Which I hope will be soon with all the psychological work I'm doing but can a heating pad and a small dose of Valium really
hinder my healing? |
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| glowgirl |
Posted - 07/04/2012 : 15:01:54
investigate o'reagan microbanding
dr caroline million in san francisco is great but there must be others who do it. |
| Badd825 |
Posted - 06/29/2012 : 14:28:43
I agree. I eliminated all treatment years ago when I realized that my aches, pains, fibromyalgia were all tms. Unfortunately I feel this time is different. I had clots removed from hemorrhoids and also was diagnosed with a fissure. The theory is that this soft tissue trauma has triggered spasms. I believe that tms has taken this opportunity to attack me through the spasms which are preventing me from healing the soft tissue. I ordered unlearn your pain from Dr Schubiner and expressed my concerns about treating the soft tissue even though I believed tms was a contributor in my pain. He assured me that tms does not cause hemorrhoids or fissures and that I should treat the soft tissue problems. It has been recommended that I remove the hemorrhoids but I'm afraid of that surgery and even more afraid that the spasms won't stop because of tms. Dr. Schubiner told me he wasnt as concerned with treatment while working on psychological stuff. I am starting to feel a little better so something is helping. Believe me I know I am a classic tms sufferer and I know that my subconscious is using this whole problem to keep me focused on pain. I just can't ignore that there is something medically go on. It's not like every test I've had is negative and there is no cause for my pain. Anyone who's had hemorrhoids or fissures can vouch for me. The pain is excruciating and real. I do however hope that breaking the spasms will be the answer. The question is do I need to address the soft tissue problems to heal so spasms will stop or focus on tms so spasms stop and maybe I'll heal! I appreciate the advice given so far. I'm confused and it just isn't as clear and cut and dry as it was last time I used Dr Sarno's methods. I just keep affirming every day in everway I'm getting better and better (John Kehoeism) |
| drh7900 |
Posted - 06/26/2012 : 13:04:36
Just chiming in to echo Dave. In HBP he talks about how even though he had physical therapists with whom he worked closely and he had the therapists explaining to the patients the importance of thinking psychological instead of physical, progress was slowed when physical therapy was part of the regimen.
Now, that said, I've seen it stated here a few times that someone once asked Sarno what to do if flare up was real bad and they couldn't stand it and he replied something along the lines of a bottle of wine and go to bed...I'd take that to mean that if the pain is SO BAD that you cannot focus on anything else...do what you need to do to ease your suffering...and when you're past that moment, work on the TMS approach...just don't become to reliant on physical treatment or you'll defeat your own purpose of healing.
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Dustin |
| Dave |
Posted - 06/26/2012 : 10:09:18
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Originally posted by lynnl
To the best of my recollection, Dr Sarno never really elaborated (in his books) on his rationale for foregoing all other treatments or therapies.
He discussed this in Healing Back Pain.
Early in his career he prescribed physical therapy, assuming it could not hurt to treat the physical symptoms while simultaneously treating the psychological.
He found that it was counterproductive, and when he stopped physical treatment, his success rate increased significantly.
TMS is an unconscious process and what you believe on a conscious level has to seep in before it is effective. Even if you "believe" consciously that the pain is benign and due to emotional and not physical causes, pursuing physical treatment sends the opposite message. It says that your belief in the diagnosis is not 100%, that there is a part of you that believes there is a physical problem that needs to be treated. Even if you tell yourself otherwise, actions speak to the unconscious mind louder than conscious thoughts.
Even if you "believe" the physical treatments are only treating the symptoms, they force you to focus on the physical realm, which is contradictory to TMS treatment.
TMS symptoms only disappear once they are fully disarmed; once they no longer distract you, no longer create fear that something is physically wrong, no longer cause frustration when they don't go away, no longer compel you to seek treatment to "fix" it. It is a fundamental change in thoughts, and more importantly, behaviors, that must become a part of your life. |
| lynnl |
Posted - 06/23/2012 : 23:44:52
To the best of my recollection, Dr Sarno never really elaborated (in his books) on his rationale for foregoing all other treatments or therapies. To me, the one big reason would be that it may tend to obscure in your mind the true source or reason for recovery or improvement once you do adopt and practice the psychological thinking.
Regardless, I would certainly not hesitate to seek relief in whatever form available during times of intense pain, while keeping in mind the above concern.
In my case there was never any mistaking the results of my psychological efforts vs pain medication.
Lynn |
| Badd825 |
Posted - 06/23/2012 : 12:11:17
Wow Balto. You are truly special. After reading several of your posts I'm waiting for you to write your book! I'm not relying on any of the treatments I'm doing to provide me with a cure. I'm just trying to alleviate symptoms while thinking and working on the psychological. It will be easier now that I feel very reassured that it's ok to turn to some relief thru meds while still accepting tms. Thank you all for your responses and comfort. I finished Kehoe's book, mind power so I'm going to look for other books to help me continue with my psychological thinking. I read Sarno's healing back pain and mind body a while back but I may need to reread. I am blessed in so many ways and I'm so happy and grateful for all I have. This has really thrown me for a loop. Especially that I felt I had left past hurts in the past. I guess my subconscious has other plans. But I'm teaching it that I'm in charge!!!!!!! My subconscious mind and I are partners in my healing(Kehoe's affirmation) |
| balto |
Posted - 06/23/2012 : 07:57:58
Hi Badd, Dr. Claire Weekes wrote in one of her book (her book is often recommended here) that it is ok to take some anxiety pills to help when you are in so much panic. Just don't depend on it for a cure. Don't think of medicine as your solution. It is like when we have a broken leg and need crutchs to walk around while waiting for our leg to heal. Medicine help us to function a little better while we gather our thoughts together and heal our mind. Once your mind is healed and you've took back control of your thoughts, you will heal.
don't let your mind wander aimlessly, it will only look for the worse. Be persistent and take back control of your thought, your mind. Don't let any thought "appear" without your control. Tell your mind what to think, and think positive, think compassionate, think forgiveness, think that everything is possible, you will get your health back, think of a wonderful life... When all those thoughts became a belief, you will be cure.
Try not to look for what is causing you pain. That is too negative, too stressful reliving all those memory I think. Just accept what life gave you and tell yourself that whatever happen to me just make me stronger. What happened to me is just part of life. It could and it did happened to many. We just have to move on and not look back. Life is like a river. Sometimes it flow calmly, sometime it become a rapid, and sometimes it even have to go over a waterfalls. Accept them all and move on. We will all end up in the ocean together. Life is wonderful with all the up and down. Take the goods and say goodbye to the bads. Focus on what make life wonderful and it will be wonderful.
Some great teachers said life is all about perception and acceptance. "two prisoners looked out the prison bars. One saw the stars the other saw the mud."
Goodluck Badd825. |
| Badd825 |
Posted - 06/23/2012 : 03:48:57
I can not thank you both enough for your response. I've been stressing that treatment with heating pad and Valium would somehow hinder my recovery. I feel better using these things in combination with accepting TMS. I read conflicting info about doing nothing if you truly accept TMS and this has been a great source of confusion for me.
I've had the most difficult 7 months and have added depression and anxiety to my list of ailments. Once I started to feel better which coincided with my visit to 3rd colorectal surgeon who prescribed Valium and recommended heat, I've been so much more like myself which is usually happy and not anxious. I know that therapy is also helping because I'm working on some childhood traumas and my subconscious can't trick me into focusing on just pain! I find it interesting that I've recovered from TMS ailments in the past and felt that I've confronted my issues and yet here it is again. It seems that tms is a lifelong journey. My therapist says even if you work on your issues, if the people responsible for those traumas are still in your life your subconscious still has a lot of unresolved anger. We are amazingly complex. Im reading MIND POWER and I'm off to do my daily affirmation: every day in every way, I'm getting better and bette! |
| mala |
Posted - 06/23/2012 : 02:37:19
Badd825. Taylor is right. I too think you can & should make yourself comfortable & at the same time think TMS. A heating pad & a valium is absolutely OK especially for someone recovering from the aftermath of surgery.
This conflict that you are going thru is puttiing a lot of pressure on you. In fact I put it to you that if you are comfortable, you will be able to focus more on the psychological work. And anyway its not like you are going to a chiro or physio which is what I think Sarno means.
I hope you are better soon.
Good Luck & Good Health
Mala |
| TaylorJoh |
Posted - 06/22/2012 : 20:59:24
Hi Badd825,
You've gone through the second most painful surgery known to man, not once but three times! I can't imagine the emotional trauma that has put you through.
I had ani levitor type symptoms, which was basically TMS. My rectal muscles were ridiculously tight and I had horrible spasms. I've never had any type of surgery there but I had an irrational fear of getting hems and having to have the surgery. I had gone through two surgeries in one year I started getting phobias and that was one of them lol.
It was excruciating sitting on a chair because it would put pressure on the anus. So I would fold two towels and put them long ways under my thighs so it would lift my butt and take pressure of my anus. It helped so much that there was no way that I wouldn't do it. I did do the heating pad but it caused me to swell so I stopped
I don't think that there is anything wrong in taking something or doing something to alleviate pain as long as you don't focus on it. Just do it and forget it. A poster here who had ani levitor symptoms really bad used to put a heating patch in her underwear. And she fully recovered.
So, I would do things that made me feel more comfortable but I wouldn't think about it after it was done. I just did it and moved on mentally or physically.
I'm not going to intentionally allow myself to suffer if there is something around to make me feel more comfortable and put my mind ease so that I can deal the psychological reasons for my pain.
Perhaps for some it may be a stumbling block. But for me it wasn't. I just kept it in perspective.
Good luck and don't ever doubt your bodies amazing ability to heal even under the worst circumstances.
Taylor
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