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| spaceladybaby |
Posted - 03/28/2012 : 05:25:26
Hello there.
I am a 35 year old woman who is delighted to have found this forum. I have being suffering chronic pain for over 5 years now and I recognise myself so much in Dr. Sarno's book both in personality, symptoms, all the treatments that I tried and avenues I've went down but the pain always returns. I started to read Dr. Sarno's book last week and got very excited at the prospect that I finally may be onto something as it made so much sense. I also have other symptoms such as TMJ, neck, shoulder, lower back, performis pain and reflux! And last week I was amazed I got so much relief it was unblievable. But it has all come back with quite an intensity this week much to my disappointed. I'm still reading Dr Sarnos book, I'm doing some meditating, I trying to talk to my subconscious to let it know I know whats going on and just quit it but the pain is still quite intense. It feels maybe its trying to persuade me this will not work and I should go back to my old ways. Can anyone suggest how I continue? ?
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| spaceladybaby |
Posted - 04/02/2012 : 13:47:45
Salut TT, thank you for the heads up on the art of journallying! I will look into it. I will keep you posted on my tennis progress. Bon courage, SLB
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 04/02/2012 : 08:42:59
Hi SLB,
Glad you enjoyed the tennis. Yes there's lots on journaling. Check the tmswiki for journaling. There's a section on it. I'd link you to it but I'm on the road and don't have a proper computer to do it. |
| spaceladybaby |
Posted - 04/02/2012 : 06:07:40
Hard courts which are new to me. It was such a tonic to get out on the court. I am really looking forward to it this week. We even had a small glass of vino after!!
I still have a burning pain in my shoulders and neck. My throat feel very sore too but I know thats from the muscles in my neck and jaws. What is quiet scary at times is the pain down my sternum that spreads into my chest. It especially loves to take over when I am sitting in front of my PC trying to get some work done. Charming! But though I have this pain it is usually at its most intense when I am not physically active like right now when I type this I can really feel the intensity but if I were to do something active it tends to to go more into the background which to my mind proves to me it has to be TMS and not a physical problem.
Has anyone advice on journaling? I am reluctant to start. I dont want a journal where there is the possibility of someone reading it. I think thats what stops me. Are there any guidelines on how to write a jounal? |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 03/29/2012 : 07:03:26
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Originally posted by spaceladybaby
...Tennis yesterday evening was great. I really enjoyed it.
...I also wasn't working before I moved here for a few years due to TMS and depression
...low-self esteem/worry
...Why won't I let myself do that!
Good job, SL! Were you playing on red clay or hard courts?
Depression IS TMS, it's an affective form of it.
Low self esteem is a common trait of the TMS personality, part of the universal inferiority complex, don't worry about it, your in good company, the majority of the planet.
Your TMS gremlin is unhappy with all the changes giving you symptoms in rebellion. You're connecting the dots well. Check out the Rahe-Holmes chart in my sig for the TMS scientific proof.
Allez
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| spaceladybaby |
Posted - 03/29/2012 : 02:42:01
Tennis yesterday evening was great. I really enjoyed it. Slept like a baby though I was quite stiff this morning but who cares! I think it did me the world of good mentally and physically.
I think you may have a valid point Irish. I moved to a new country that speaks a different language to mine, different climate and different culture 11 months ago. It has been a huge transition and the pain skyrocketed here too. Though it is lovely here, I feel I can't make the most of it because of the TMS holding me back. I miss my family at home and especially my dog who my parents look after. I cry alot. My boyfriend finds it difficult to understand the TMS and he gets excasperated at times if I feel unwell and want to bail out of things we have planned. I take my frustration out on him I think and our arguing is increasing. I have been thinking about it this week and maybe unknown to myself I resent him that we chose his country instead of mine and that I had to make alot of sacrifices. I think he was expecting me to be more outgoing and active (which I am normally)so I feel I've let him down. I also wasn't working before I moved here for a few years due to TMS and depression and I work here now full time in a profeesional capacity! I have a fear that people will see through me as a fake and realise I'm poor at my job. In a way I think that can be a self-fulfilling prophecy and the low-self esteem/worry will result in me not performing as well as I could and insteading of just being relaxed about my job. So yeah...huge emotional transition at the moment!!!!!
But I know in the back of my mind I could be very happy here and have a great quality of life, learn a new language, experience new and wonderful things. Why won't I let myself do that! |
| Irish |
Posted - 03/28/2012 : 21:39:24
Hi spaceladybaby,
From the little I know, it seems that when physical symptoms flare I'm either tired or emotional stuff is happening but I'm not dealing with it well. Maybe your body is trying to tell you something about what is going on in that moment? Emotional stuff you may not even realize at the time but bothering you nonetheless? |
| lynnl |
Posted - 03/28/2012 : 14:30:34
To any tennis fan, Rafael Nadal is the embodiment of persistence and perserverance. "Quit" and "give up" are not words in his vocabulary!
Rafa's is exactly the attitude every TMS'er must apply to their struggle. It WILL pay dividends.
Lynn |
| happystar |
Posted - 03/28/2012 : 13:43:39
Sweet spacebaby,
Yes! I am like you! Trying to be nice to everyone around me forgetting about myself. And really never getting angry... well guess where the anger is??? Repressed! Causing me all this symptoms! I will work hard, and you should too! We will succeed. I am here for support if you need me.
Light and love
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| lynnl |
Posted - 03/28/2012 : 11:27:32
One mental manuever that helped me a lot: After reading Sarno's concept of the unconscious purposely causing the mischief, I started viewing myself as two distinct people, much like twins. I didn't view my unconscious self as an enemy, but more as a teammate that was going astray in achieving our joint goals (i.e. life).
After a short while, I felt like I had made friends, or renewed an old friendship. As time went on, I actually felt that I could "see" this other person standing on the other side of a thin veil; someone who'd always been there, but who I'd never taken the time or made the effort to notice.
(Obviously I'm using "see" metaphorically, it wasn't a visual sense but rather a conscious awareness.)
I also had the distinct sense that this other me, while unable to communicate to me in language, could very well understand my communication to him, via the thought process.
Sounds silly I know, but it worked well for me.
Lynn |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 03/28/2012 : 11:24:44
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Originally posted by spaceladybaby
...Right now I feel quite tired and I have pain and I'd rather go home but I'm just going to go.
(BRAVO FORMIDABLE!!! I'M GOING TO USE CAPS FOR "ME" SINCE THE "FORMAT" STUFF ABOVE DOESN'T WORK FOR ME ANYMORE--IS IT JUST ME? I USED TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS ALL THAT FANCY STUFF, THE WOES OF BEING AN ANARCHIST/LUDDITE.) YES, JUST DO IT!!! MINDBODY HEALTH REQUIRES THIRTY MINUTES A DAY OF EXERCISE TO MOVE STUFF AROUND AND GET THE CRAP OUT. YOU FEEL TMS TIRED BECAUSE YOU AREN'T MOVING YOUR BODY AS IT WAS INTENDED TO IN NATURE. SITTING ON OUR ASSES WAS RESERVED FOR THE KING, NOW WE ARE ALL KINGS & QUEENS. YOU WILL FEEL ENERGIZED AFTER YOU EXERCISE, YOU WILL HAVE THE ENERGY AND SELF-CONFIDENCE TO DEAL WITH THE TMS GREMLIN'S ****. AFTER TWO WEEKS OF MOVING YOU WILL FEEL TRANSFORMED.)
...I will try take it moment by moment
(THAT'S GOOD THAT'S THE MEDITATION THING--BE IN THE MOMENT AND ALL THAT.)
...Its will be great to hit a few balls and run around a bit...
(LET ME KNOW HOW IT GOES.)
...I now have to do some research on french vocab for all things tennis..
(TRES BIEN, l'oeuf, quinze, trente, quarante-cinq, avantage, matche -- BUT DON'T QUOTE ME.)
Au revoir mon petite chou |
| Back2-It |
Posted - 03/28/2012 : 11:10:15
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Originally posted by spaceladybaby
Hello there.
I'm still reading Dr Sarnos book, I'm doing some meditating, I trying to talk to my subconscious to let it know I know whats going on and just quit it but the pain is still quite intense. It feels maybe its trying to persuade me this will not work and I should go back to my old ways. Can anyone suggest how I continue? ?
Don't forget to read the reviews of HBP on Amazon, contributed by hundreds who never made any postings here or elsewhere. It's pretty powerful.
"Bridges Freeze Before Roads" |
| spaceladybaby |
Posted - 03/28/2012 : 09:01:24
Speaking of tennis, Tennis Tom ..I used to play and guess what... I am starting training in a club this evening after work. Right now I feel quite tired and I have pain and I'd rather go home but I'm just going to go. I will try take it moment by moment and not pre-empt anything. Its will be great to hit a few balls and run around a bit....Thanks for the links..I now have to do some research on french vocab for all things tennis..
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| spaceladybaby |
Posted - 03/28/2012 : 08:50:34
Thanks for that nugget Lynn..it's great to get feedback!!!!
I have felt so alone with this over the years and extremely frustrated...it is a relief that others are experiencing what I am experiencing. I could never commit to anything due to the TMS i.e. plan something such as walk/swim on a saturday or meeting friends for dinner. I would often text friends at the last minute saying I couldn't make it as the pain was draining all my energy or just lie and make something up. I felt/feel so unreliable as a friend and embarrassed about this pain which I could not explain... I have actually started avoiding some people now..It has made me feel that I must be a very mixed-up person. I have alot of shame. I come across as quiet a cool customer but underneath I am coming to realise I am always doubting everything I do or I say. I am a real 'helper' of other people..always listening to collegues woes and generally being a very nice person and helping out alot if I can. It's annoying me lately because now I am aware of it and I'm thinking:
"Helping out my collegue with something when I should be getting on with my own stuff must be driving my unconscious banana's" or 'people won't ever respect me if I'm too nice...I need to be more assertive and less willing to help'..Dont get me wrong I am no Mother Theresa and I know it can be a lovely quality in a person but being like this I think results in me being very disappointed in how others treat me. I can be too open and honest too..I feel like I need to wise-up. Its hard to explain actually. Do any of you guys relate to the rantings of this irish woman!
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 03/28/2012 : 08:25:15
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Originally posted by Darko
Welcome SLB,
I have posted about all of this stuff many many times. It might serve you to go and read a heap of my past posts. I suggest you do this for a few people as there is some real gold in the past posts.
Good luck
D
That's a very good suggestion by Darko! Before I came on this board I read ALL the posts and then lurked some more, albeit there were a lot fewer posts back then. "SEARCH" your conditions to see that others have been "cured" by the TMS method. The best thing you can do is "DO!!!". Do, do, do, the things the gremlin is stopping you from doing. This is the best thing to do because it gives you back your self-confidence by reconditioning your mindbody. It took you many years to develop the Pavlovian thought conditioning that creates TMS psychosomatic symptoms. It is unrealistic to think you can do away with all that conditioning overnight. DOING the things you thought you couldn't is probably the best way.
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TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
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http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| lynnl |
Posted - 03/28/2012 : 08:06:00
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Originally posted by spaceladybaby
It feels maybe its trying to persuade me this will not work and I should go back to my old ways. Can anyone suggest how I continue? ?
Many thanks,
Eimear
That is EXACTLY what it's doing! Trying to persuade you that it will not work!
But you must persist, and demonstrate to your other self (unconscious mind) that "by golly it will work", because you WILL NOT give in. You will persist for as long as it takes. In doing this you are "conditioning" your unconscious self. It is a stepwise process. My experience was the same as yours; the pain kept trying to return, but I kept up my battle. And the pain gradually returned with less frequency and less intensity.
There may be others whose experience differs, but I doubt that winning the battle is ever as simple as a one-time shot, that ends the pain forevermore.
You say "And last week I was amazed I got so much relief it was unblievable.
That means you are doing it right! Just keep doing it.
Based on my experience, don't be surprised if it takes many months, upwards of a year for a complete victory. Though probably long before that you'll view the symptoms as nothing more than a minor nuisance.
Lynn |
| spaceladybaby |
Posted - 03/28/2012 : 07:32:01
Hi darko and happystar. Have you noticed all our profile names are related? 
Thanks for replying. Patience is not one of my strong points but I will persevere. I just doubt my methods! But I need to relax about it and things will unfold as they should. I will indeed read all the past posts - thanks Darko. I suppose I have been doing alot meditation and CBT too over the years (for depression) and this week I figure my unconsious must be jammed packed with rage 
Keep in touch and let me know your progress happystar..
Eimear O'Grady |
| Darko |
Posted - 03/28/2012 : 06:32:50
Welcome SLB,
I have posted about all of this stuff many many times. It might serve you to go and read a heap of my past posts. I suggest you do this for a few people as there is some real gold in the past posts.
Good luck
D |
| happystar |
Posted - 03/28/2012 : 05:39:18
Hello space
I am new too. From what I read, Dr. Sarno talks about patience and perseverance. Maybe it takes more than one week. I would not give up!
Love and light to you
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