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| tmsjptc |
Posted - 01/09/2012 : 15:31:38
All, I read a lot in these posts about people saying it is a process and can take days, weeks, months or even years. Seems like most people have read the books but I don't see a lot that have seen Dr. Sarno or one of the TMS practitioners. In Dr. Sarno's book, he talks about 4-8 weeks and a very high and permanent success rate. Here's my question:
Is it more effective to go see a practitioner if you are able to?
I've read Healing Back Pain and Mind-Body Prescription and made good progress over the past few months. But, half the symptoms are jumping around and only half are going away. I totally agree that I have TMS and believe what I read in the books. But, I'm wondering if I should go see a practitioner since there is one in my area and I can afford to see them. Thanks! |
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| tmsjptc |
Posted - 02/10/2012 : 13:31:05
Posting again just to say that I met with him. He explained how he came up with the course that is helping Marines with PTSD. He also explained how much resistance he gets because of people not understanding it. Sounded so much like TMS, it was amazing. One thing he stated was interesting to me - that we have an innate need to see ourselves as sane, so our conscious rational thinking mind will keep us from listening to or accepting ideas that challenge this. For instance, when people thought the world was flat, sailors would observe that the first part of a faraway ship they could see was the mast. But, their minds wouldn't allow them to challenge the notion that maybe this meant the world was round.
Anyway, the visit was helpful. We didn't even get into my own issues. But, simply hearing someone explain everything so calmly helped me more fully accept TMS. He said that whether you see a practitioner, talk to a friend, read a book, or whatever, the key component was buy-in. You have to stop blaming other people or things and stop thinking someone or something else will heal you. You have to realize, accept, and fully believe that you have it within yourself to get better.
He gave an example of buy-in that I found interesting. He said he had gone to a conference where there were 1500 Marines and federal civilian employees. One speaker started his speech by asking how many people had rented a car. Nearly everyone raised their hand. Then he asked how many had ever washed/waxed that rental car. No one raised their hand. Quite simply, we just don't have buy-in or ownership of a rental car.
He said if you are looking for someone else to fix you, then you are not realizing that your mind and body are connected and that your body is like a rental car.
Interesting stuff! |
| tmsjptc |
Posted - 01/20/2012 : 11:07:59
Forest, thanks so much for posting that question and the link to the answer. I really liked his comment, "being your own therapist is a lot like cutting your own hair: it's possible, but a lot easier if someone else is doing it". He also said some get relief from reading the book and some have to take it to the next level which could be a practitioner and the way that you know this is by whether or not you still have pain.
As for me, I've been pain-free for the last week or so. But, I'm going to see a therapist anyway. He isn't a known TMS practitioner. But, he's an available resource to me (free of charge via my employer) and he's had a 90+% success rate with helping Marines that had PTSD and I know he understands/believes in the TMS principles.
Thanks again. I'll post back eventually once I have had time to meet with him.
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| forestfortrees |
Posted - 01/19/2012 : 11:43:57
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Is it more effective to go see a practitioner if you are able to?
This is a really good question and for the most part I think it depends on the person. Of course, as Tennis Tom pointed out having a practitoner actually diagnose you with TMS is huge and can really help you accept that you have TMS.
I actually sent this question to TMS practitioner Alan Gordon who had a pretty interesting response. His general opinion was that the books can help people learn about TMS, but that a practitioner can help people connect the dots between their symptoms and emotions. Anyways, I thought it was a pretty good response and if you want to check it out it is at http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Q%26A:_Is_reading_a_TMS_or_PPD_book_just_as_effective_as_going_to_a_practitioner%3F_Should_I_do_one_over_the_other%3F
Forest
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 01/13/2012 : 10:20:24
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Originally posted by tmsjptc
...I'm wondering if I should go see a practitioner since there is one in my area and I can afford to see them. Thanks!
By all means, if you are fortunate enough to have a TMS practitioner in your area, SEE ONE! The white-coat imprimatur is one of the most powerful powers on the planet, medical doctors are our modern day shamans. And, a TMS practitioner would probably be very happy to see you too, since TMS savy patients are such a small part of their patient base.
In the long-run a TMS practitioner can save you a lot of time, money and worry by correctly DX'ing what is TMS and what is not. I wish I had one close enough to see as my primary physician. The placebo that a white-coat can bestow, is a very powerful effect that can hasten the path to healing--or not--as in the case of the nocebo effect. Good luck and if you see a TMS practitioner it would be great if you would share your experience/adventrue!
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| art |
Posted - 01/12/2012 : 09:17:18
For the vast majority, seeing a TMS doc is not necessary. The books and the forum prove to be sufficient. |
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