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| glowgirl |
Posted - 01/05/2012 : 12:32:01
i have a major decision to make by tomorrow
should i cancel my trigger point evaluation?
i just got the mindbody book by dr. sarno in the mail
he says that symptoms just jump around from place to place until you deal with the underlying causes
trigger points of course are fixed points (or so i think)
anyway since reading all this stuff (and being amazed at what i've learned) - and moved - it leaves me strongly wondering whether to cancel my appointment on Tues
this is all so new to me so please don't be too hard on me, i just found this site, like a week ago so... new.
but resonant. but it really has put a detour in my plans and thinking.
but i can't help but wonder.
on the one hand i am curious to see if i do in fact have any that a simple massage can help just release the point and end the pain?
on the other hand... according the dr. sarno... if i do this... the pain will just find another way to manifest itself, right? until i deal with my mind and the underlying causes and i am also saying, why not give this a chance? maybe getting another diagnosis just "locks in" the dysfunction, ie does more harm than good.
would really appreciate feedback for this sincere newbie.
also... thoughts on using a heating pad? or getting a simple massage? not necessarily trigger point. in fact, yuk! just one to feel better, or enjoy myself.
many thanks,
glowgal |
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| Gail Kenny |
Posted - 01/31/2012 : 15:48:47
Trigger point therapy has helped me greatly to heal from chronic pelvic pain and chronic myofascial pain. I learned to treat myself and have used it regularly over the past 4 years. Mind-body tools along with yoga and trigger point therapy have made me a much happier person than I was. I can do way more things now than I was doing in the years before. So I encourage you to use all your resources. You will find the unique combination that works for you to relieve your pain.
Gail Kenny Life Coach
www.pelvicpaincoach.com |
| ozagnes |
Posted - 01/28/2012 : 18:51:29
Hi Glowgirl,
Glad you're in!
In regards to trigger points, I have done it, I have them EVERYWHERE, I can even deactivate them myself (the superficial perineal ones, at least...). Of course all pelvic pain physio swear by it and told me that this is the reason for my pelvic pain. But the pain relief (if any) never lasts and my PT does not know why they always come back. She gave up on me.
The reason why they come back? simply because I beleive they are just a physical manifestation of TMS, and fits in Sarno's theory.
Trigger points are some muscle fibers that are tight and lack oxygen/blood circulation. Rings a bell?
It is just that instead of being the entire muscle (like a spasm), it is a couple of muscle fibers in the muscle that are involved. If you stretch them/unactivate them, unless you have worked on the real cause which is psychological tension, they will come back.
For the records, I have trigger points in the pelvis, but also in the back, the shoulders, and everywhere TMSers typically have pain on pressure.
I hope this helps
:)
agnes |
| honeybear |
Posted - 01/26/2012 : 21:40:58
I had done trigger point therapy for several years. It seemed to help at first, but then stopped working. Now I am in worse pain than ever and my pain has, in fact, spread.
I just heard about Dr. Sarno a couple of days ago and am certain that TMS is my problem. I have ordered a couple of his books and can't wait for them to get here on Tuesday. I think you were right to cancel that appointment.
We are both in the right place! |
| tmsjptc |
Posted - 01/06/2012 : 08:01:46
my wife gets a lot of relief from a heating pad. i believe it helps the blood flow better. |
| glowgirl |
Posted - 01/05/2012 : 20:52:10
Thank YOU everyone~!
the minute i hung up from cancelling (i realized i could have cancelled on Monday) i freaked a little... i have had this appointment for weeks... it was supposed to give me all my answers.
hey it was finding this forum that turned my thinking around.
so i was so wonky for a while and i had to use my mind management and tell myself... i DON'T want a diagnosis, a synodrome, etc, and if someone goes digging, of COURSE they are going to find something.
i realize how desperate i am/was for an answer to my problem. but desperation does not mean that any solution is correct. it's like the old joke of looking for your lost keys under the lamppost, even though that's not where you were when you lost them. when asked by an innocent bystander what you are doing you say, i'm looking for my keys. Did you drop them here? No? So why are you looking here? you say, because that's where there's light (not because that's where you were last when they were missing)... ie you gravitated to a solution, but not the source.
after a few shaky minutes, i realized i need to get on with my day. it took a few hours to resolve not to call back and reschedule.
my Mindbody book came today. I'm in, folks. I don't know what else to say. but i feel something in my heart, about what's true for me, my truth. maybe that's the best. i don't want a lifetime of syndromes and other people telling me what's wrong with me. i want to unravel my own story. i have had one thing after another after another and i want to go to the source. i want to be a success story and come here and inspire others and live my life. i want my life back! NOW!
but i do appreciate all the help i can get. i am trying to absorb as much as i can. these have been major changes in a week.
thanks to all. you have been so generous. i realize dr. sarno doesn't really address what i seem to be experiencing entirely ( strange anoreactal spasms leftover from a fissure and a fall) but... what the bleep. thank you. i know we each take this journey on our own but i still feel a little shaky. but there is a kind of different feeling, becuase i have certainly never done this before. i may have questions in the future. like, does anyoone ever get phsysical therapy for anything to build up stregth? or use a heating pad?
etc/.
i am doing my best to learn as fast as i can.
take care all.
taylorjoy i will pm you, thanks.
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| tmsjptc |
Posted - 01/05/2012 : 17:24:49
glowgal, I don't have trigger points but I understand them to be knots that spasm in your muscle tissue. I believe they are just another thing doctors try and point to in order to explain pain that is unexplainable to them. The body can do some pretty interesting things to itself to keep you away from figuring out the true root cause. I look forward to hearing about your progress with TMS. |
| TaylorJoh |
Posted - 01/05/2012 : 17:22:21
I just realized I can email you, there is something else I did, which may be a little to graphic for an open forum, or just embarrassing. I'm going out to dinner in a few, but will email you later tonight.
Hang in there, I promise you, it does get better! |
| TaylorJoh |
Posted - 01/05/2012 : 17:18:29
Hi glowgirl,
So sorry I didn't respond to you yet. I do graphic design and had a client breathing down my neck the last day.
Anyway, my thoughts on it. I just think right now, since you are getting a little bit better (YAY!), going for the type of trigger point therapy for pelvic pain, may not be the best idea. If I understand it correctly, it's a whole nuther' beast then say just getting a back massage. Which I've done to relieve pain.
You may be different than me but I'm REALLY modest and to have a stranger massaging the inside of my vagina, I think would stress me out to the max. But that is just me. And muscles have memory, they tend to bounce back to the original tightness quickly if you don't keep going back and also manage your stress/anxiety.
How I have managed to keep that type of pain away is to make sure that my muscles are constantly relaxed. If you went into a total state of relaxation at this very minute, you will realize how tensed up you are right now reading this. I was so tense that actually relaxing was painful. But I kept at it.
Even when I walk (not out in public) I look sort of like a Neanderthal lol. My shoulders are down, I walk slow, my body is completely relaxed. I check in every now and then to see how tense my body is, if it is, then I just simply relax it.
As far as the psychological aspect, which is the most important obviously, I really just tell myself what will be, will be and I'll deal with things as they come. I just won't worry about things in advance anymore. "Worry never robs tomorrow of its sorrow, it only saps today of its joy. " Leo Buscaglia I always think of that quote when I start stressing over things that haven't even happened yet.
If I start getting pain, I just it's cool, stay relaxed and it will pass. I go on in my meditative state throughout the day, keep moving forward, playing with my girls (dogs), doing what I love as a career, being around family and friends etc. I just won't allow TMS to rob me of a life anymore. It's robbed me of two years and I can't let it take another day from me.
Oh, one other thing I did to alleviate the physical pain. When you're so tight down there, sitting really hurts. I have to sit, I don't have a choice. What I would do is take two towels fold them until their about 2 inches thick, put it long ways on both sides, so it's going up and down my thighs. That way, there is a space in the middle so you're not sitting directly on your vagina or anus. That really worked like a miracle for me and I could sit much more comfortably.
Let me know how you're doing!
Taylor |
| glowgirl |
Posted - 01/05/2012 : 15:46:28
well, i did it, everyone, anyway... had to.
i cancelled the appointment.
i guess it was a matter of my conscience speaking to me.
i am still curious becuase i haven't seen dr. sarno discuss trigger points. oh yes, i have "the divided mind".
thanks. |
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