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| dgreen97 |
Posted - 12/04/2011 : 11:55:39
My first chronic pain condition started in 2005 with foot pain which doctors deemed as plantar fasciitis. I did all of the physical treatments until the only thing left they could recommend was surgery and they seemed clueless on why I wasn't getting better. Still to this day if I walk on my feet for a prolonged period of time the symptoms start coming back. I quit my job that involved standing (I previously had a job standing at Menards which was about 32 hours a week and had no symptoms of foot pain) but then I started a job at Fedex which was only 12 hours a week and then the severe foot pain started. I was doing less work on my feet but getting way worse symptoms it didn't make sense at all. In August of 2008 I finally got out of standing up jobs and began working as a web designer part time about 20 hours per week.
I've been working on computers for around 17 years and I only started getting eye strain problems 3 years ago which became chronic and have had them ever since. I too went through the entire list of physical treatments for this as well (vision therapy, a ton of different glasses prescriptions, home vision therapy, eye exercises, etc) and still have the same symptoms as when I started. The doctors are also kind of baffled as to why I'm having symptoms. The vision therapy doctor I see found a visual space perception problem but said it was mild to moderate. I don't have any eye turns or anything and my pain seems really out of proportion to why my diagnosis was structurally. I'm really thinking this pain is psychosomatically generated. I have a history of dealing with somebody with chronic pain (my dad has had chronic back pain since 1993) so I grew up with somebody who was in pain all the time. I also think this has something to do with my condition.
So I've heard of chronic pain being generated by the mind but have you heard of chronic eye strain being generated by the mind? I started getting pain when I was 18 years old (I'm 24 now) and I think it has to do with stressful events of some kind of some type of psychologically generated problem. There's just no way that doing all of these physical treatments would produce barely any results at all. Any type of pain relief I did get from treatments was very much short lived. I appreciate any feedback you may have.
Thank you
Alex
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| dgreen97 |
Posted - 05/16/2013 : 09:34:10
wavy so TMS has the power as well to create double vision in your eyes? I've noticed this too and obviously when I start to concern myself with it it gets worse. |
| dgreen97 |
Posted - 04/28/2013 : 13:37:46
Also speaking with him on skype he said that 85% of all eye problems are caused by emotional issues. |
| dgreen97 |
Posted - 04/28/2013 : 13:34:43
persistence is definitely the key. speaking with kaplan on his forum he wants to do an iris decoding interpretation. not sure what this is trying to find out from him. |
| Wavy Soul |
Posted - 04/27/2013 : 17:38:06
Thanks, friends, for reviving this thread. I just got back from England where I was in a contentious legal situation that involved being attacked from beyond the grave by quotes from family members. When one of those family people was dying and I went over there, my dry eye problems began, and a very slight double vision quite quickly became dangerous to drive without special glasses.
Now I'm back from this - ah - "stressful" experience and noticing that although my conscious thoughts are quite jubilant ("ThankGawd it's over," etc.), my eyes are killing me. Hmm, Katie, interesting choice of words.
The other night I woke up and to get back to sleep I put a YouTube video by David Hawkins on my iPad. At that exact moment he had just been telling a class how he had cured himself of about 20 major illnesses by realizing they weren't real, etc. (his book "Healing and Recovery" is one of the best non-TMS TMS books I've ever read).
But then someone in the audience said, "Awright, David, then if you've got rid of all these symptoms (including every possible allergy, back pain and 5 fatal illnesses), why are you wearing trifocal glasses?" He then had a big aha, took them off and never put them back on - although it took about a year for the eyes to catch up.
Just saying..
I'm going to read Kaplan, thanks Tom.
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 04/25/2013 : 19:55:45
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Originally posted by dgreen97
...what was interesting is that i caught him on skype today and asked him about his site.
KOOL! Persistence is the the TMS gremlin's foe. Folks who make it here did so not by accident but by persistence.
Cheers,
tt/lsmft |
| dgreen97 |
Posted - 04/25/2013 : 18:03:02
i hope he does too. what was interesting is that i caught him on skype today and asked him about his site. he said he was in fact on a trip and just got back so hes looking into whats going on with it. he also mentioned another site that im going to post on about this that he runs.. something with eyecode where he answers people's questions. im going to post in there too and point him to this topic so hopefully he will follow up on here as well. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 04/25/2013 : 12:24:50
Y'welcome Dgreen, his schedule at his site shows he travels abroad to lecture a lot, he may be headed to Vienna. Hopefully he'll check in someday, since your issue is eyesight, his book should be very helpful to you. |
| dgreen97 |
Posted - 04/25/2013 : 08:46:46
Thanks Tom that was very nice of you especially showing him this thread and leaving him a phone message. I would love to see what he has to say about this hopefully he responds. I looked up the book on amazon and bought The Power Behind Your Eyes from the short description it looks like the book that is TMS complementary. Yeah right now I'm going back through individual chapters of Steve's book tons of great information in there to recap on. Thanks for the reocmmendation on the books too Im looking forward to reading through it. I'll contact Dr. Kaplan too again to see if his site is down. He posts on twitter frequently so Im trying to reach him through there too. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 04/24/2013 : 17:53:05
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Originally posted by dgreen97
...have you read these two books already tennis tom? is there anything you could tell me about them and how they are similar to sarno's mindbody ideas? i think the two books you're talking about are concious seeing and the power behind your eyes right?
I left Dr. Kaplan a phone message, http://www.beyond2020vision.com/contact/ and told him about this site and the vision questions that came up, hopefully he'll respond. I read his books about a decade ago, and recall they were very TMS complementary. I think "The Power Behind Your Eyes" would be a good one to get. I'm sure you can get it on Amazon. SteveO's "Great Pain Deception", is a great comprehensive text and distillation of TMS knowledge and lore in the fashion of a James Michener saga.
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| dgreen97 |
Posted - 04/24/2013 : 08:57:52
its not a problem to get to them first of all i can't buy them from his website his paypal isn't working and i contacted but never heard a response. i'm reading great pain deception, hope and help for your nerves right now so i will be getting to those by kaplan. have you read these two books already tennis tom? is there anything you could tell me about them and how they are similar to sarno's mindbody ideas? i think the two books you're talking about are concious seeing and the power behind your eyes right? |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 04/23/2013 : 10:44:50
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Originally posted by dgreen97
Yeah I'm having that problem too so many books its too hard to keep up with all of them.
It's interesting to me, that the two books that would address your vision problem directly, by Dr. Roberto Kaplan, in a Sarno MINDBODY fashion, are now a "problem" to get to. The gremlin does work in mysterious ways.
G'luck
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| dgreen97 |
Posted - 04/23/2013 : 08:29:28
ace I printed out your keys to healing thank you for this. God its hard in the beginning when you're making these changes not to have anxiety and calendar watching. I know it sounds ridiculous but I've been consistently working out every day for the last week, doing relaxation each day for the past couple weeks, started doing affirmations each day about a week ago, and my anxiety levels increase when things aren't seeming to get better. I know this that it takes time for the body to change its very hard in the beginning to not get worried however. Its that thought "Im doing the right things but I'm not getting better, what's going on?"
Again I believe anxiety and fear, TMS equivalents, are the other root causes to my problem besides the feeling rushed all the time (like you). I never thought that feeling rushed and pushing myself to go faster could cause symptoms like this. How long did it take for your symptoms to start calming down and for you to start reversing TMS?
Another thing I realized when I was on vacation was that I could not for the life of me stop thinking about my symptoms. I remember when I was at a waterpark for 3 days and the only thing I could think of the whole time was "Ok I'm on vacation, i need to relax and use this time the best I can to get rest and not be in pain before I go back to work." I was on the lake doing kayaking and instead of viewing all of the scenery and enjoying myself I was thinking "My eyes hurt, my eyes hurt" this thought just kept repeating through my mind. It's not wonder that my eyes hurt the entire time I was on vacation. The fact that I have OCD doesn't help either. Combine the OCD with anxiety and I begin to worry that my eyes hurt, then I obsess about it creating a cycle. I'm going to be seeing a new psychotherapist next Tuesday I really hope she believes in mind body syndrome and the fact that anxiety can generate pain in the body. You would be surprised at how many psychotherapists say they believe this but when you start talking about mind body disorder they kind of shrug it off. |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 04/22/2013 : 15:28:03
Yes what is listed in my keys to healing is what it took to resolve my my problems and help my eyesight, and but also i stopped wearing glasses for the most part and gave it the time it needs. You had symptoms even when you weren't busy because your strained habit of rushing wasn't gone, also there is an aspect of conditioning. Once agin all listed in my keys to healing. Even after changing habits, it takes a while for your body to respond to the new behavior. Straining any body part to have it try and work beyond its capability in addition to the mental strain is a recipe for disaster. To think you cannot help yourself with the TMS method in some aspect may impede your progress. |
| dgreen97 |
Posted - 04/22/2013 : 10:25:06
Yeah I'm having that problem too so many books its too hard to keep up with all of them. I never wore any glasses before I started getting eyestrain and I worked on computers a lot. When I first began getting the eyestrain I went to the optometrist to get checked out and I had slight astigmatism and farsightedness in the my left eye and they blamed the eyestrain on that. I've worn probably 6 different lens prescriptions and none of them did anything.
I changed my affirmations you were right they were a bit wordy. I've definitely calmed myself down from rushing all the time I just consciously tell myself to slow down and not be in a hurry. Is it really as simple as using affirmations, doing deep relaxation each day, exercising, obviously acknowledging the psychological cause, to cure this problem?
You said affirmations were the #1 thing that helped you and that you don't get eyestrain at the end of the day anymore. Did you use these same techniques to get rid of your eyestrain as well?
Another thing I wanted to ask is that some people believe that if you think some of your pain is psychologically caused and some isn't that you're "on the fence" and you'll never heal from TMS. I believe 100% that my pain is caused by TMS and anxiety, you do see other people however who get eyestrain on the computer it just doesn't become chronic like mine is. Mine went from only being on the computer to being 24/7 even when I wake up.
That's a big debate I see going on is that some TMS people say that if you believe that one ounce of your pain is caused by physical causes you're screwed. Could TMS be amplifying normal use of the eyes on the computer to an extent of 24/7 eyestrain or does it have to be 100% psychological and no physical component whatsoever.
For instance my wife says she gets eyestrain on the computer if shes been on there for hours but the key thing is... IT GOES AWAY! What a concept. I went for 7 days with barely using the computer around Christmas time and my pain was just as bad as if I had worked a full 40 hour workweek.
So I have definitely slowed myself down at work before I was constantly rushing to get things done in fear of having to work overtime. I've slimmed that fear down considerably. |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 04/21/2013 : 06:27:14
Btw, that rush and pressure is definitely the basic cause of your symptoms. You must change tat to really get better. |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 04/21/2013 : 06:24:59
Yes ice, I believe everything, but trauma and occasional infections has TMS as its basic cause and dr Sarno agreed with me on this one.
DG, your affirmations are a bit too wordy in my opinion they are hard to repeat like a broken record bc of this. Just use the ones I used, they really helped me with this rush mode I was in. Yes you may be saying it almost all day, just do your best along with the work of trying not to strain. See, it is not rocket science, just takes a lot of determination on your part (without strain). Trying to correct the vision form a negative prescription like yours and mine is harder than correcting other TMS symptom in my opinion bc its like going against the habitual strain that your glasses led to over the years. I never read work by Kaplan, so I personally cannot comment, thanks for the link though Tom as it seems to talk more about the emotional portion. The only problem I face is there are so many books recommended on here that I can't buy and read them all. I may have to consider buying the book when I have time and letting you guys know what I think. The one that seems to deal with emotions is conscious seeing. Dr. bates' work is free online on central-fixation.com under library. The thing that helped me the most with my vision is that I used worsened/blurrier vision as my TMS sign to me to lessen my mental strain. It was obvious that the vision was blurrier when I was in a rush etc, so I tried to stop the bad habit and I did not strain more to try to see better. I also stopped wearing glasses. I cannot recommend stopping glasses for everyone bc I don't want anyone at risk of hurting themselves by not being able to see. Some people start out not wearing them except when driving where they use a slightly weakened pair. I did this at first till I was better. |
| icelikeaninja |
Posted - 04/21/2013 : 00:34:54
Well it made sense to me because I didn't have anything pink eye. One day I thought a piece of glass went into my eye from a strong wind. The next week both eyes starting hurting.
I felt a gnawing pain and extreme dryness even though I was tearing for no reason. Had no sticky discharge just alot of watering in the morning.
By the time I spoke to Sarno I was fine. But what interests me is the things he does t list in the book can also be TMS. There are literally tons of things.
I remember the desperation when I thought I would have chronic eye pain forever. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 04/20/2013 : 17:55:33
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Originally posted by dgreen97
Tom looking on Dr. Kaplan's website do you have any recommendations for what to read? Im seeing a lot of stuff about vision therapy which I already did for 6 months but I don't see the stuff pertaining to emotions and the eyes that would correlate with TMS.
The two books I read many years ago that gave me great "in-sight" to vison/VISION were these two linked below. After reading them, I now no longer worry about my eyesight. I did vision therapy at an eye-doctor's office in Novato, CA., and it was fun and I got some exercise tools to take home to practice with. I found for me the best eye exercise is watching the fuzzy yellow tennis ball traveling at 100+ MPH.
G'luck!
tt
http://www.beyond2020vision.com/e-store/products-for-helping-your-eyes-naturally/books/the-power-behind-your-eyes/
http://www.beyond2020vision.com/e-store/products-for-helping-your-eyes-naturally/books/seeing-without-glasses/ |
| Singer_Artist |
Posted - 04/20/2013 : 10:20:18
Wow Tom, Dr. Kaplan is very cool, fascinating!! |
| dgreen97 |
Posted - 04/20/2013 : 08:37:13
Tom looking on Dr. Kaplan's website do you have any recommendations for what to read? Im seeing a lot of stuff about vision therapy which I already did for 6 months but I don't see the stuff pertaining to emotions and the eyes that would correlate with TMS. |
