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| zmago123 |
Posted - 11/21/2011 : 11:06:12
Hi,
First of all i want to say that i am really glad that i found this forum.
I just finished mindbody prescription and it is a life saver. :)
Now my story.
For 2 years now i have low back pain. It all started after hard work out in gym. I was in my new gym for about 14 days. I started to do some new exercises for my back. Couple of my friends told me that these exercises are dangerous and that i could injure my back if i don't take it easy. 10 days after they told me that i developed low back pain. It didn't hurt much so i decided to ignore it. I had pain only when i bend over. Later i developed back pain also when i sit in my car.
But that was why i suspected that something isn't right.
I could sit anywhere else for as long as i wanted but i would get pains only in my car. That was strange to me. Then what i noticed, was when i was traveling or going with my friends somewhere in that same car and i was having fun, or i was going somewhere where fun will be, i had 0 pain. That was really strange although i didn't know about TMS.
Eventually i did MRI of my lower back and guess what, all clear. Docs couldn't tell me why i have pains. Later i did some research online and found about TMS.
But until i found about tms i found some other diseases that could be reason for my pain. Only after i read about them i developed symptoms that were mentioned in these diseases.
Now my questions are:
Could it be such a coincidence that i developed some real disease after my friends told me that i could get back pain, after i thought about it every day since they told me while i worked out??? I mean i got pain just after a couple days from our conversation???
Why do i have pain only in my car,not in any other type of chairs?Why my pain disappear in that same car when i have fun? Coincidence also??? Can it be that i sit in my car in some strange position???
Is it coincidence also that i developed some new symptoms after reading about some diseases and conditions, sometimes just couple hours after reading???
I think that in my story there is TOO MUCH COINCIDENCE, that some organic disease don't work that way. And since i read MBP it really seems that i have TMS.
I guess i just need opinions from some people that went thru same thing.
Sorry for a bit longer post. |
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 11/23/2011 : 16:04:30
Thanks for the replies guys, TJ, that was the citation I was thinking of, all my books are loaned out of course. Ace, I have a call in to the doctor's machine at Rusk, the message says he only accepts patients from the tri-states but will correspond. I left a message that I would pay for a consultaion over the phone. I'll let you'll know if I get a response from his receptionist. |
| TaylorJoh |
Posted - 11/23/2011 : 15:46:48
Unfortunately, my books are packed away, but those that are interested in Sarno's thoughts might want to read page 113. This is from Weatherman from a thread in 2007...
"Similarly, Sarno in "Healing Back Pain" - page 113 - starts out discussing osteoarthritis of the hip, saying "This is one of the great triumphs of reconstructive surgery." He then goes on to caution that not all hip pain is caused by degenerative changes. In the next section on chondromalacia, one sentence reads "Unlike what has just been said about hip osteoarthritis, this (chondromalacia) is a disorder that never, in my experience, causes pain." Inferring that the hip changes sometimes DO cause pain."
http://tinyurl.com/6sd597s |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 11/23/2011 : 13:55:39
Sorry I didnt answer the second part of the question. I believe unless it is dislocated and it is only pain that is a problem, it should of healed, despite the changes on the xray/mri |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 11/23/2011 : 13:50:40
I dont know why he talks about how good the hip replacements are in HBP,I did not specifically ask him that, but have you noticed he does not mention this in his recent book the divided mind? He also calls the MRI remarkable, but later says that most of the changes picked up by are not significant. So I didnt address it on my last post bc I didnt ask him. So the bottom line is as of a year ago I told you what he said. If you want to ask him the details of why he said something before you can call him and ask him. (I'm not being smug as it seems in print, just saying to call him if you have further questions) Good luck |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 11/23/2011 : 12:11:39
Respectfully doctor, you are not answering my question: If Dr. Sarno thinks hip arthritis is TMS, why does he extol the virtues of hip-replacements in one of his books? There is such a thing as "traumatic-osteoarthrits" due to injury such as can occur in sports and that is what I believe may have happened to my hip. Do you acknowledge there is such a thing as traumatic osteoarthritis that may require hip-replacement or arthroscopy? |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 11/23/2011 : 11:40:07
Dear tom, i am not his patient, but I went to study with him a couple of times and he graciously answered all of my questions and as I mentioned before, I asked him that question point blank and I told you what he said. I cannot prove this to you, how can I? I am not going to belabor the point by asking him the same question. I guess you can either beileve what I am saying (I have no reason to lie) or you can ask him directly. This man I can safely say is a genius, and he saved my life by his books. We also discussed that most non-traumatic/genetic human ills can probably be healed by this type of treatment (Refer to Louise Hay and her claims) I really cannot do anything more to prove this. Good luck! |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 11/23/2011 : 11:11:53
quote:
Originally posted by Ace1
I am a medical doctor.
Well that changes things! Are you studying TMS methodology with Dr. Sarno at Rusk? Are you a patient of his? The two doctors I was examined by and dx'ed with "significant arthritis", Dr. Bruce Eisendorf and Dr. Schechter, had both studied with Dr. Sarno. Are you saying they are in disagreement with Dr. Sarno on the efficacy of hip-replacement?
I also recall the quote from Dr. Sarno in one of his books, extolling the wonderful results of hip-replacement. Why would he say that if he felt ALL hip pain was TMS and could be treated non-invasively?
Since you as a doctor and perhaps one of his patients, as I assume most doctors who seek him out are, appear to have access to the Good Doctor, I would greatly appreciate some more precise confirmation of what you're saying. Even Dr. Sarno says that not everything is TMS, from what I gather about 80% is.
I would love it if you would bring me evidence that Dr. Sarno does NOT believe hip-replacements are necessary to treat "significant arthritis". I am a TMS devotee obviously, and have used it to "treat" more maladies then I can recall, so I'm totally on-board with TMS thinking. It would be greatly appreciated by me, and I'm sure others if you could get a clarification on Dr. Sarno's views on hip-replacements, maybe they have changed since his last book.
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
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http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/page/Find+a+TMS+Doctor+or+Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 11/22/2011 : 14:37:46
Dont think that way, Think you healthy and strong and everything is getting better. Eliminate fear, Balto and hillbilly will explain this better as of now, but I have found this to be critical. I dont think this is done with relaxtion, but more so with confidence, but I am awaiting more clarification from Balto and Hillbilly as they have recovered 100%, I am getting there however and expect to be posting about it in the near future. (you see positive attitude) |
| zmago123 |
Posted - 11/22/2011 : 14:16:38
Thank you ace.
I wont go to anymore doctors, i was at too many already and nobody found anything. And since i learned about TMS it all makes sense.
You cant get some disease or symptoms just by thinking of them, RIGHT? :) |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 11/22/2011 : 14:04:45
Dont mean to confuse you. If it will comfort you, get your doctor to check the autoimmune serologies, but once you start to treat yourself, you will begin to see its tms and that will be your best confirmation. Yes Kesh pain from osteoarthrits is always TMS. Dysfunction from arthrtis (i.e loss of range of motion, unable to lift an arm from a torn rotator cuff (not bc of pain), is due structural change of old age). For example if your arm is out of its socket, it cant heal or function right, but a degeneration is part of life and not a cause for pain |
| zmago123 |
Posted - 11/22/2011 : 13:02:04
quote:
Originally posted by kesh2
quote:
Originally posted by zmago123
I am totally confused now. Do i need to check for autoimmune od cancer now????
if you had MRI they would see cancer. you probably had blood tests for autoimmune, or at least inflammation markers which often point to autoimmune.
True that about MRI, but i didn't had that inflammation markers checked.
And this whole post went in wrong direction.
I just wanted some opinions what you think about my situation based on what i wrote in the beginning.
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| kesh2 |
Posted - 11/22/2011 : 12:55:23
quote:
Originally posted by zmago123
I am totally confused now. Do i need to check for autoimmune od cancer now????
if you had MRI they would see cancer. you probably had blood tests for autoimmune, or at least inflammation markers which often point to autoimmune. |
| kesh2 |
Posted - 11/22/2011 : 12:53:29
quote:
Originally posted by Ace1
all the chronic pain syndromes are tms unless it is cancer or autoimmune in nature
do you believe all osteoarthritis is all tms? |
| zmago123 |
Posted - 11/22/2011 : 12:29:03
I am totally confused now. Do i need to check for autoimmune od cancer now????
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| Ace1 |
Posted - 11/22/2011 : 12:14:40
Oh and btw irritable bowel is classic tms |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 11/22/2011 : 12:12:24
Hi Marsha,
I am a medical doctor. I see all this stuff all the time first hand. zmago had classic sxs and like i said before unless he had a tumor or automimmune disease, it is tms. Actually in reality, all of the non-traumatic, non-genetic illnesses have the same basic cause of TMS (did you listen to the divided mind). I know becasue I have seen this with my own eyes and they all seem to have the same patterns. Dr. Sarno also has had first hand experience with many people to come to these conclusions. I can mention this bc I have seen this. What I am not ready to comment on yet is how to achieve 100% cure, meaning becoming a healthy person 99% of the time I have not achieved this yet and therefore, I defer in this resepect at this time to people such as Balto and Hillbilly. |
| zmago123 |
Posted - 11/22/2011 : 11:12:21
I checked. Doctors told me that nothing structualy is wrong with me. Is that enough? |
| marsha |
Posted - 11/22/2011 : 11:03:51
Ace 1,
Not everything is TMs. Dr. Sarno is pretty clear about getting a MEDICAL oponion first.
There are also some TMS related conditions that need medical attention. Heart disease, diabetis , thyroid disease,irritable bowel..and more. Never take it upon yourself to decide if you or anyone else has TMS. Always check with a physician first.
Marsha |
| Bugbear |
Posted - 11/22/2011 : 10:37:08
I agree, zmago123, too many coincidences. You strike me as someone very susceptible to suggestion. Thus if a friend says you will hurt your back if you do an exercise or the tv advert tells you about particular side effects, you develop back pain and those exact same side effects. From the sounds of it Fun = 0% pain. So go out and have more Fun.
There are times when we we have to do things we would rather not do or go to places we would rather not go. For instance if you hate your job, you may experience pain driving to work.
Personally I can relate to the pain in the car seat thing. I get that mostly when I am a passenger or even the driver of my husband's car. I used to blame the seats in that car. Now I know better. The truth is I am resentful that he bought this particular car, spent years paying it off, spent loads on repairs, it is not in great shape and has lost tons of value. I am just furious about it all, even more so now that we are in dire straits financially. This is what the back pain is about. There is nothing structurally wrong and I refuse to give in to any fears about sitting in those seats. |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 11/22/2011 : 09:48:34
seems like you clearly have the condition, Dr. Sarno states that all the chronic pain syndromes are tms unless it is cancer or autoimmune in nature |
