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| johnny76 |
Posted - 08/16/2011 : 13:48:37
Hi to all,
i'm very happy to have found this forum.
First of all sorry for the language mistakes and for my english. 
I'm a 34 guy from italy, suffering from 6 weeks of continuous back pain, triggered by a movement at the gym.
I'm not new to this kind of pain, had some other "incident" in the past, but in a couple of days the pain disappears.
This time was different, since the pain seems so stubborn, i've been through many doctors&back expert with the only result to become very depressed.
A practinior also said me that my back, with that structural abnormality, will never be pain free; this crushed me completely 
I've discovered Sarno's theory, purchased both books, and i'm starting the second time reading of "healing back pain".
I find myself in many, many things/behaviour he describes in the book, especially by the psicological point of view.
I suffer from IBS too.
All these analogy excited me so much and since 8 days i'm trying to follow strictly what the book recomend.
But i have a big doubt the make me a bit hesitant in the COMPLETE acceptance of TMS diagnosis because i have:
- disc bulging L5S1 (
- kyphosis + lordosis from when i was teen ager (i wear also a corset for some month when i was 13).
So, whereas the bulging is well covered in the books, i don't see any mention to the kiphosis and/or lordosis.
So i'm hesitant because a part of my mind is still thinking that this bad combo is the cause of the pain.
What do you think?
If you need more information about me, feel free to ask!
thanks indeed for any kind answer
cheers from italy
Johnny
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| johnny76 |
Posted - 08/18/2011 : 13:09:43
JJ, Dave, thanks indeed for your words.
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That is your first indication that there is no structural reason for the symptom. If the symptom is moving around, it makes more sense that it is TMS since TMS is a regional process. And you might ask yourself how you can go from pain free, working out in the gym, to a doctor who says you will never be pain free. Obviously you were doing fine before with the "structural abnormality". Why does the doctor think that all of the sudden at age 34 the "structural abnormality" is causing the problem?
he said that it's only a matter of time, that the kiphosis worsen more and more the lordosis, and so all the muscles/nerves around the tailbone/lower end will be under constant stress.
I'm quite hopeful that now there's nothing serious, i've done many tests, included the manual "nerve-sensitivity" to both legs (sorry but i do not know the correct term to describe those tests).
I know my back is not a jewel, but i also know that the pain occurs just with some triggers event and not appears naturally.
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What you are describing sounds like TMS, and it seems like the book resonates with you.
Your mind will make it very difficult for you to fully accept TMS. It will not give up without a fight. It will sieze any opportunity to perpetuate your belief that the symptoms are due to structural problems.
My suggestion would be to re-read Dr. Sarno's books and follow the treatment suggestions. Despite the childhood diagnosis of kyphosis + lordosis you can still treat the pain as TMS. If the symptoms improve then you will gain further confidence that TMS applies to you.
Take a long-term view of recovery -- you need to change the way you think about and react to the symptoms. It will take time, and there will be a battle. The pain will move around, and it may get worse before it gets better. Trust that over time, you will have success.
Yes, i want strongly believe that TMS is the correct diagnosis, but i feel that sometimes a part of my mind rethink about the words of that f*****g doctor and deviate the toughts into the wrong direction (structural problem with no way out).
Anyway, i'm in the middle of the fight, i have started the 2nd read of HBP and keeping a journal in wich i wrote thoughts, emotion linked to what i suspect to be the repressed anger.
I have started to resume phisical activities, bike and gym workouts with light weight and a very slow execution form.
I know i need to approach TMS in a long-term view: for this reason i take the opportunity to have an useful insight into myself and into all the unsolved things in my life.
Michele |
| Dave |
Posted - 08/17/2011 : 16:31:40
What you are describing sounds like TMS, and it seems like the book resonates with you.
Your mind will make it very difficult for you to fully accept TMS. It will not give up without a fight. It will sieze any opportunity to perpetuate your belief that the symptoms are due to structural problems.
My suggestion would be to re-read Dr. Sarno's books and follow the treatment suggestions. Despite the childhood diagnosis of kyphosis + lordosis you can still treat the pain as TMS. If the symptoms improve then you will gain further confidence that TMS applies to you.
Take a long-term view of recovery -- you need to change the way you think about and react to the symptoms. It will take time, and there will be a battle. The pain will move around, and it may get worse before it gets better. Trust that over time, you will have success. |
| jjh2go |
Posted - 08/17/2011 : 15:43:46
That is your first indication that there is no structural reason for the symptom. If the symptom is moving around, it makes more sense that it is TMS since TMS is a regional process. And you might ask yourself how you can go from pain free, working out in the gym, to a doctor who says you will never be pain free. Obviously you were doing fine before with the "structural abnormality". Why does the doctor think that all of the sudden at age 34 the "structural abnormality" is causing the problem?
I wish I had an MRI before I had my major symptoms. Because it would have proven that the MRI after the symptoms was identical to the MRI before the symptoms. Doctors do MRI's, but they generally don't know what "normal" is supposed to look like. They only know what "young" looks like, or what "perfect" looks like. That's bad medicine in my opinion.
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| johnny76 |
Posted - 08/17/2011 : 11:16:56
Hi jjh2go,
first of all thanks for the time you take for me.
Your experience is a confirmation that the pain i feel may be TMS, for real.
I forget to mention that the pain is quite "movable": during the same day it may be on a very small area in the tailbone, then moves in the side lumbar area (just one side or both), some times the upper buttock.
About the bulging: i'm convinced that it's not the cause of the pain, i'm just hesitant about the kiphosis/lordosis.
Thanks for the website you reported, very, very interesting source of information.
Michele |
| jjh2go |
Posted - 08/16/2011 : 14:38:26
Welcome,
Just a few points to maybe help you. My wife has scoliosis. She has NEVER had any back spasms in her life, and she is 39. She has an occasional sore back, but it goes away within 1 day every time. On the other hand, my spine is nice and straight. I've had horrible spasms over the years, the kind that keep you flat on your back for days. So, does the curvature cause the pain? Not based on my wife's experience. You also mentioned the bulging disc. I don't know how that can cause any pain. There is too much medical evidence that shows bulging discs don't cause any pain. If you want to read about it, go to the "medical evidence" section of the TMSwiki at www.tmswiki.org |
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