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| healingback |
Posted - 01/25/2011 : 13:14:19
So my question is if you can physically see that you have posture changes, I.e hyper lordosis, kyphosis etc... can it still be tms? can tms cause posture changes... this year my posture has become increasing more curved... although I haven't been at the gym to do corrective exercises like I used to before I started having low back pain... its been a year... has anyone experience anything like this? Thoughts please?
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| Back2-It |
Posted - 01/28/2011 : 07:22:07
suegr98
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Dr John Sarno addresses this in Healing Back Pain. Kyphosis (or mild scoliosis, or whatever is found to be out of alignment) is not TMS
True. These are not TMS. However, when a person is under constant stress and duress and anxiety regarding the body, is it really possible to determine for yourself if you have an increasing structural problem? Especially when you "see" yourself every day? Maybe some can. Maybe it is true in some cases.
What I know is, that until the last two months or so I was in a constant state of anxiety and obsession with my body. Nothing looked quite the same as prior to the advent of the pain. It still doesn't.
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| suegr98 |
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 21:45:09
Dr John Sarno addresses this in Healing Back Pain. Kyphosis (or mild scoliosis, or whatever is found to be out of alignment) is not TMS. The pain that is blamed on kyphosis, etc, is TMS. Many people have structural anomalies in their backs that do not cause pain, while others have severe pain that is blamed on the same structural issues. Regardless, the pain is all too real so it can be tough to sort out.
take good care,
Sue
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| Back2-It |
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 18:57:15
Most doctors of any stripe are just guessing about back issues.
I did see a neurologist, head guy at a major medical center here, and he was honest and said that surgery, for which I didn't qualify, might not quell the pain.
One holistic MD, who practiced acupuncture, was speculating that perhaps my pain was not related to the disc.
The chiro I saw was the only one who thought he could help, and I did exercises, etc. But even he told me months back that he doesn't think my issue with pain is related to the disc.
So what is left? My frikken head and all the head tricks I'm probably playing on myself. That and my body guarding and bracing from all the worry about hurting myself.
One other thing, is that I have really had to question my judgment and perspective during all this, because when I look at my body I see imperfections that I didn't seem to think were there before. I look at those and say they are weak muscles from nerves being pinches and on and on. I am solving this last problem by just not looking at myself. All the mirrors have cracked in the house anyway.
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| skizzik |
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 18:36:09
Well, osteopaths are the "holistic" docs of the medical community. Good, bad, I don't know. I think my genral prac is one. Anyways, did you lead them into that? Did you mention, the last doc said it was Si joint? If they sense that you'll buy that, and that will get you out the door, then thats what they will give you. Until proven otherwise, I feel that unless they found a true red flag in one of your scans (fracture, cancer etc) then consider that docs are just like us, and they want to get the cases done for the day and get home to dinner.
Also, a doc is unlikely to change a diagnosis of a colleague unless it's critical to do so. Many will not even take you if you are seeking a second opinion. How do they know it's lax? A scan? Or via the pain that your'e reporting?
I went to a neurosurgeon, and I was explaining my pain, and the doc was wearing scrubs as if he did surgery all morning. He cut me off and just wanted to know on a scale from 1-10 how bad my pain was. I wanted to talk about tms and sarno and he threw up his arms and said "hold it, hold it", "are you in pain or not? I need to know", "if your'e getting by on ibuprofen and tylenol then stay the hell away from me."
He stormed out of the room and I was left there devastated. All the questions I had about pain, the nurse says ask the doc, the doc says ask the pt, the pt says ask the doc, the doc says ask the neuro, and in the end the neuro gives you carte blanche to make your own freakin diagnosis because torn this, loose that, bulging this means nothing is remarkable. If you still report pain, then they will give you whatever diagnosis you want and all roads lead to a scapel if you keep coming back.
Chiros (I know this does'nt apply to you healingback) are accepted because the medical community does'nt know what to do with chronic pain. Notice they're kept out of hospitals and kept at arms length next to the dollar store at the local plaza.
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| healingback |
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 10:35:20
Hi skizzik, the powerful nocebo came from 3 osteopaths... the si joint being loose is because apparently on a physical sence the ligament is to lax to hold the joint together... I do believe the tms as three month prior to the back pain, the wheat allergy I had for 8 years suddenly disappeared... symptom substitution!
The relaxin that your talking about is a natural hormone in the body that is released in your last trimester of preganancy, its relaxes your ligaments around your pelvis, this is supposedly what's happens to mine but I've never had kids...
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| skizzik |
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 08:13:40
Who noceboed you with the loose si joint diagnosis? A chiro, a physical therapist? The only relevant medical info I can find on a loose si joint is when a doc gives a woman some drug to relax the pelvis area for child birth. (granted it was not an exhaustive search)
Perhaps make the rounds conventionally (a real M.D.) like Art said, and if it's found that you indeed have a problem there then follow conventional medical treatment for it. If they shrug there shoulders and find your scans unremarkable and you should be fine, then some little voice in your head may say "what am I doin?" And it's time to get back to doin the things you love. |
| art |
Posted - 01/26/2011 : 09:49:57
When in doubt, the standard advice is to see a competent physician. Worry is sometimes appropriate because it prompts you to take care of yourself. Panic however is never a good idea. |
| healingback |
Posted - 01/25/2011 : 23:26:28
Ok now I'm worried, I always trained at the gym as I was a personal trainer upto this tms pain, I was told my si joint is loose and it won't hold my pelvis in allignment, I feel like my pelvis has dropped forward and I do have a more prominent hyper lordosis than I used to, but I know that tight muscles can pull your posture out of position... I do believe I may have two going on, I believe the pain is caused by tms, as I've been doing much better since I've delved into it and just got on with it. I used to train 5 times a week at the gym, since the pain I've not done any of that, no stretching no nothing, apart from I have been back to the gym twice in the past two weeks... I've put off stretching because I don't want my mind to hook onto it , but if I'm stretching muscles to rebalance the tight muscles if I can make myself believe its only for that and not for the pain then ill be good, I just don't want my mind thinking I'm doing I'm doing it for the pain, only the posture...
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| skizzik |
Posted - 01/25/2011 : 16:53:55
What Art said. But also I noticed you said you used to go to the gym. I know that when I stopped going to the gym and ate typical junk that in pictures I would see that I was looking slouchy.
Upon times in my life when I return to the gym and eat healthier I feel better and look better overall which as a side effect makes me walk around taller and straighter. Perhaps thats all it is.
Oh, one more thing, you also said you had your onset of pain after your gym life ended. Thats precisely when my first episode began in this tms universe. I did'nt make the correlation at the time, but in hindsight, the gym was a wonderful atmosphere for me to be in once a day where I listened to pleasent pop music, and lightly socialized with pleasent people, and left chuck full of endorphins. Then my membership ran out and the owner wasnt running the same special promotion for the year, so I figured I'd just workout at home, but that kinda withered away (boring dark basement) and here comes TMS.
Working out at home with little toddlers was tough, and lifting in the basement while the wife nags about why I don't spend that energy on painting the rooms, or washing the floor gets to ya. In the gym, your'e outta sight outta mind to her.
Ya think the gym balanced out the stress I was building up having had my 2nd kid amongst other things? You betcha! (sorry for the Palin moment  )
Maybe get back in the gym? Forget about benching 300 pounds, and just do the machines and light dumbells, feel some burn, enjoy the atmosphere, wear a gym belt for confidence until you realize you don't need it (I see a lot of people with the velcro designer ones on, and you can hide it under your T) hit the recumbent bike and read a book while you pedal for 10-15 min, add and apple, hold the mayo, and check your posture in 6 mos. |
| art |
Posted - 01/25/2011 : 15:11:17
Unless you're talking about slouching or something along those lines, I'd get to an MD and get yourself checked out. TMS can't cause things like that. |
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